Okay but you're falling into Elon's trap. You can't weigh future potential against current harm naively. Particularly when it comes from somebody with a long history of over promising and under delivering. Since we pay the full price up front (loss of science, etc) but will never reap the full benefits promised.

So what's one good conservative position?

To my knowledge absolutely nothing critical to Ukranian defense uses Starlink.

And again, what is niave is to not heavily discount any claims Elon makes. Starlink provides neglible value currently, what potential might exist is imaginary.

The best thing for the world is to realize Elon was a sunk cost and move on

You know people can actually see conservatives actions when it comes to these positions and know you are lying?

Hey now, when I copy and paste from stack overflow, that's called "development"

Every single example of means testing has been more expensive than just distributing the benefits to the people that ask for them.

Wasn't that later revealed to be a hoax? It was during one of the major waves of legal advice trolls

I think what people need are clear examples, concisely expressed, of the explicit harm experienced by forgoing a certain quanta of privacy, since the benefits are apparent (eg gain access to a certain service/community/etc).

Someone finally read their book and now they're angry about it lol

When you're told the children's book is actually for grade 6 and up.

Like everything else, the global wealthy will survive with the wealthiest elite thriving. The global poor (mostly in the the global south) will suffer the majority of the consequences. It'll start with crops withering for lack of water and get worse from there.

There'll be a great sorting between those two groups as the dividing line becomes starker. It probably won't be pretty. It definitely won't be fair. There's no guarantee the line won't be drawn within a country and not just between them.

How fast does this happen? If left to just "natural" processes, loss of modern agriculture will take many decades - - just slow enough to boil the frog. But humans have a particular tendency to drive faster than we can see. So in the likely chances whatever actions we take to "mitigate" climate change backfire in our face (fingers crossed on Elon dropping a bunch of rust in the ocean and killing all the krill), I think it's more likely that many decades is optimistic.

For the third time, you cannot separate the grifter from the grift. That's not "Fuck Elon", that's "starlink is not, and never will be, what was promised"

Similarly, you can't weigh an abstract possibility versus a real cost. You want the conversation to be some philosophical discourse about social vs societal value. But it's not that, it's a real situation right now.

And in this real life situation, we have to evaluate what starlink actually is - - a failed toy for wealthy early adopters - - and not what some abstract "could be".

Especially when we know for a fact that any public promises of that potential are certainly intended to mislead and not inform.

It's definitely not an honest conversation when you've deliberately and repeatedly chosen to misunderstand what's being said.

It's time to grow up and stop believing hucksters and grifters.

There's no planet where a viable antitrust case exists. That is pure unbridled delusion.

None of that can be explained by allowing private companies to collect digital data.

What you've posted is a great example of scaremongering.

Again, if you want to advocate for privacy, you need to make a direct and explicit connection. Not this tinfoil hat, arm waving general conspiracy thinking. It's not compelling

Yet you chose to reply anyways. It's always these bougie bullshit to pull the ladder up first then promise a better one that never comes.

I've seen many driving professionals. The vast vast majority have substantially better driving behavior per km traveled. Again well supported by data.

Similarly, the regressive nature of increasing barriers to driving is well understood. This can be easily shown by looking at the effects of drivers license prohibitions on undocumented immigrants. Again, there is data.

Your point about offsetting costs is ignorant to history. A tried and true approach to "starve the beast" is breaking something now and promising to fix it later. The fixes never come, the costs

It seems like you are someone easily swayed by anecdotes over actual evidence. That's a really bad way to make policy decisions.

That seems wildly regressive and disproportionately would harm working poor people, who generally would struggle to afford the time and expense involved.

There's no evidence that experience degrades driving skill, just aging