It's an odd premise, and ideally Rowland would have noticed and objected to the question.

Criticism of a country's actions (and in fact, it's really an implied criticism of a regime and its military) is not a threat to Jewish Australians. It may frustrate Zionists, but Zionism is a political movement, it is not a nation, religion or ethnicity. If a Zionist happens to be a Jewish Australian, it is coincidence - I know plenty of Australian Zionists who are not Jewish, and I know plenty of Jewish Australians who are anti-Zionist.

For an analogy, the interviewer's question would be as ridiculous as someone asking if it would be illegal to claim the historic Nazi regime committed genocide of Jewish, Slavic, Romani, etc. peoples, and as a result made "white" Australians feel intimidated.

They are planning another rally on Oct 19. Various locations have already announced counter rallies.

It is very important you turn up and bring along friends. If you can't make it, then make sure that other people do. Not just social media posts either.

These Nazi-run rallies are particularly dangerous because the capitalise on a real, valid anger towards our government. If we allow them to grow unchallenged, bigots will continue to be embolded. There were many reports of people being opportunisticly harassed after last rally, so if we don't outnumber them, they'll do that again. If you don't help your community to squash this, it will grow. We're at a great moment where we can still stop this peacefully. Seize this moment while we have it.

Don't just show up, bring along friends. And if you see me handing out fliers for the counter rally, tell me you're bringing along friends! We can all use a smile :)

One of the news outlets said this, along with the M4A rallies, were an attempt to rebrand as "everyday Australians". But if anything, this photo-op just proves they're anything but.

It was confusing for good reason. As the article explains, and as people here were saying before the rally, the marches were astroturfed by the NSN, from the start. It's unfortunate that so many people bought into their trick, and it's good to see many of the well-intentioned people had the guts to stand up once they realised they were being conned.

The NSN thought they could draw people into their tent by having half of them pretend to be "everyday Aussies" and by appealing to the cookers in the freedom movement, but at the end of the day, even cookers know that Nazis need to be forced out. Good on the people there who tried, but ultimately, anyone who goes to the next March for Australia now that they know the NSN are real, coordinated, dodgy manipulators and welcomed back by the MfA organisers... this time there aren't any excuses.

Banned from Australia? Well the governments tolerate abusive cults and neo-Nazis. The NSN hasn't yet made it onto the official terrorist organisations list over here. (No, I'm not exaggerating when I say 'cult')

Or if you meant banned from the event: it's because they were heavily involved in organising it in every state, they're effectively running the rally as a front. They're not going to ban themselves from their own rally. Mainstream outlets like ABC and The Age summarised this before the rallies, journalist Tom Tanuki has made in-depth videos detailing the evidence.

Fair point, agreed and edited the post.

Let the alt right eat themselves, being an angry little lefty gives them the motivation to keep being fuckwits.

I heavily disagree with this line.

• They want power and capital. That's all the motivation they will ever need. As historical fascist and far-right regimes have shown, they will be fuckwits even after they exterminate the left wing. It has nothing to do with "angry little lefties" or their other scapegoats.

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• Plenty of ways to combat the right without being angry, or little, or even lefty.

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• This comment seems to advocate doing nothing and hoping this problem solves itself. No, I will not "let them be", sit back and hope they annihilate each other - this didn't happen with US neo-Nazis contradicting the Republican position. Nor has the cannibalistic Trump regime collapsed yet.

Trump’s doing a great job in revealing why right wing politics sucks. Soaring wealth inequality, ballooning government debt, growing surveillance and authoritarianism etc

The US had most of this happen prior to Trump too - and then Trump still got elected twice with support from dozens of millions. And One Nation is receiving plenty of votes here and now despite the loud and proud clown show in the USA. Many people still support right wing politics despite it being so obviously against their material interests, so it's vital to help regular aussies become conscious of class politics. This problem does not solve itself - you and people you know need to help inform those you know about why the right won't help them, and need to wedge their fresh naive prospects - without being an "angry little lefty" of course. Even little casual actions will accumulate, like neutrally mentioning the news they haven't seen in their media channels.

Finally, a protest with a clear demand. Down with roadwork!

Nicely done!

Agreed. A known leader of a neo-Nazi organisation registered a protest. The group have a history of registering events under false pretenses but there's no excuse for this one. It was obvious.

Nazi speech is illegal.

It should be.

But fascists know their worldview is revolting to the public and parts of it are illegal to plainly say. That's why they use pseudo-runes and sonnenrads instead of swastikas, talk about removing instead of exterminating, and protest around secondary positions like 'mass immigration' to spread racial supremacy rhetoric. They've been playing this game for a hundred years. Nazi speech is legal if you're careful about it.

The problem is what they're doing, not how they're doing it, and our law struggles to handle that.

The neo-Nazis are not taking it well.

The Naarm channel also notes:

[https://www.news.com.au/...

All named NSN members in this above linked article still have the same bail conditions and cannot travel across state lines for nationals.

Out of touch, exactly. We aren't the target audience.

Yes but I wasn't talking about that. I was referring to the many smaller cases of individuals or small groups opportunistically harassing people on public transport, in parks, etc., which can easily be prevented just by having more people around to remove that opportunity. Simply attending the counter rally helps.

If we're aiming to prevent an premeditated gang of dozens from going out of their way to terrorise a peaceful camp, we'll need an organised force with fighting experience, or an even larger group able to mobilise rapidly. That's absolutely possible, we saw that Melbourne has the roots for building such a force, but it's a tougher challenge which involves more than just the regular public showing up.

While this approach has its own considerations, it's refreshing to see this announcement has targeted neo-Nazis themselves, instead of playing whack-a-mole with their front organisations and rebrandings.

Good to hear, and I hope people are receptive to the notion that Labor doesn't engage in "woke" politics, because media sources on the right try to insist that Labor do. And yes, the voting record is damning.

Tom Tanuki had a great video detailing some speakers and attendees standing up to them, along with pointing out their plain clothes stooges manufacturing fake support, starting using the same chants in each state, and their other manipulation tactics. The video has been taken down by a copyright claim (edit: see reply!). I also know a couple of socialists who were present in the rallies to provide updates, who felt the crowd was a 50/50 split for support and rejection when the Nazi speaker got the mic. And after seeing horrible interpretations of the event like that from Red Flag (basically imagining every single person there was a white middle-class lost cause), I emphasise that many people there were tricked and didn't just roll over or use their megaphone like Katters.

But yes. You're right. Head in the sand has been something I've seen plenty of too, and this time they have no "ignorance" excuse. Nazis ran the major rallies. We weren't just calling people 'nazis' as a scary strawman, they were real, they controlled the rallies, and they are planning to do it again.

It can be easy to miss activist events if you're not on mainstream social media and not in a political organisation/network. Even if you're in a city, only some areas will have posters and leafleting groups around.

I'll try and remember to share events here too.

@ShrimpCurler@lemmy.dbzer0.com: Same here. It doesn't even seem to be a central place anymore, the March for Humanity back in August had an estimated 300K marchers, while the Facebook event only listed 2.4K going, 2.8K interested. A link to another site could be shared just as easily, right?

Classic outsourcing.

Thanks mate. Tagging @Ilandar@lemmy.today