Fucking finally.

Now lets see how much worse the next one is...

I'm pretty sure fairphone has that hardwired killswitch

The fuck it will.

It's not misogyny. Maybe the experiences of boys and girls aren't comparable, but some things transcend gender, and getting ridiculed is one of them.

This post unnecessarily genders something that isn't gendered, so it makes total sense that someone would point out that it's not restricted to one gender.

Guys are used to having their experiences invalidated when it comes to this kind of stuff. "Oh, be a man. Don't be so sensitive. No one cares about your feelings. Man up, be stronger, stop being weak and then people won't make fun of you," the list goes on.

And then there's the aspect where bringing up issues that impact men always gets hit with "BUT WHAT ABOUT WOMEN?!? MEN HAVE IT SO GOOD, WHAT COULD YOU POSSIBLE HAVE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT?!?"

So when a post directly implies that "girls get ridiculed, to the exclusion of boys," it makes sense to clarify that "boys get ridiculed too."

Also, it's mostly women and girls who judge other women and girls, so trying to make that about misogyny is kind of a stretch. Men and boys get judged by men, women, boys, girls, and everyone else.

Not to mention when a woman or a girl gets made fun of, like thirty people have her back, but when a guy gets made fun of, no one cares.

Just overall, making this a gendered issue from the start was the wrong call, and the people responding by saying this affects other genders too aren't the ones unnecessarily gendering the issue.

People like to blame men for the failure/neglect of society, parents, teachers, etc., to teach them the things they'll need to know as an adult. Generally regarding stuff that was conventionally ascribed as "women's duties": cooking, cleaning, decorating, etc.

People blame the individuals as if they're supporting the patriarchy by not knowing the things that they were never taught. That's missing the point, because these men were harmed by the patriarchy which neglected to teach them these important things.

It's really hard to enter your twenties and become moderately independent and suddenly have to learn a hundred different things that are absolutely critical to a well-ordered life, that already come so naturally to people who have been doing it their entire lives that they hardly even think about it and look down on you for not just intuitively grasping everything you need to know.

But no, they see a young guy struggling with basic tasks like washing the bed sheets or hanging curtains or choosing a tasteful rug or not burning dinner or whatever, and they jump straight to "NOBODY IS GOING TO MOMMY YOU, GROW TF UP!!!!!" Because it's sooo cool to attack a man who you find in a position of weakness because he's struggling with tasks you deem basic.

If we could just break that stigma and make it okay for men to ask for help, they'd be able to learn what they need to a lot easier. At least the ones who try. Clearly the ones who don't try and have no interest in trying are the problem, so why focus the ire on the ones who do try? Asking for help kinda skylines yourself and makes you vulnerable to attack, so I'm not surprised few people do it.

That would at least ease the transition for a generation or two until people who learn basic things as boys grow up and become men who don't need to catch up on the things that the average 20yo woman has already been doing for over a decade...

At least it will be easy to remove after he's gone

He's being polite, I guess?

To hell

They've got to be skin and bones by now...

And my nintendogs 😭

Is it a safe space or is it not a safe space? Because you seem to be claiming both in one comment.

Don't gender it, it's either a yes or a no. Is it a safe space for all genders, or not a safe space for any gender?

So we're doing stereotypes now? I didn't realize those were back in.

You get over yourself.

Obama didn't start the invasions, but if you can't see the very real consequences of abruptly and prematurely pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan, then I'd like to introduce you to ISIS and the Taliban, because this is what happens when you botch a full-scale withdrawal of military forces.

It's not as simple as "my predecessor shouldn't have started this war, so let's just suddenly leave without having a better plan in place and doing years of stability operations to ensure the long-term success of the civilian government."

I'm sure he helped him after taking the screenshot

Why do you think those men make it a point of pride not to ask for help? It's because they've internalized the subtle (and not-so-subtle) messaging that they've received since childhood that asking for help is weakness, and weakness is bad, because you're a man so you're supposed to be strong and know how to do everything by yourself.

Social norms and individual behaviors are a chicken and the egg situation. Yes, societal norms are made up of individual behaviors. However, those behaviors are also influenced by societal norms. And often, society punishes any deviation from those norms.

It's literally the same process that teaches women to do the things that basically all of the feminist literature ascribes to societal norms and internalized messaging. It's the same process. So why do people always try to invalidate it whenever someone brings up the male side of that coin?

That penguin is saying "Hey hoomans! Get off my lawn!"

TIL my entire adulthood has been one long latibulation...

I want one as a stuffie

I mean if you reread your last couple comments, you'll see you contradicted yourself at least twice in as many comments. That is funny.

But would you? It seems more often the response is just to call it misogyny that someone would even ask for proof.

And what about for discourse about stuff that happens in person rather than online, where there's no written record of the things said and done?

How do you prove microaggressions that are whispered in passing? It would be ridiculous to expect someone to prove that kind of experience.