Happy Freedom Day...I guess.

3 years ago by nothingcorporate to c/lemmyshitpost

ImplyingImplications 247 points 3 years ago

Largest prison population both in absolute size AND per capita. Also, random fact, their constitution allows prisoners to be forced into slave labour. Also, another random fact, their prisons are run for profit. None of these facts are related of course!

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TheRaven 72 points 3 years ago

Next youโ€™re going to tell me that these for-profit prisons lobby the government for harsher prison sentences for things like cannabis possession.

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bighi 11 points 3 years ago

Only for people that are black or poor.

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cornbread 70 points 3 years ago

Not to nitpick but not ALL prisons in the US are for-profit. They should be illegal though.

Fun fact - other countries that have for-profit prisons include Australia, Canada, France, the UK, Israel, South Korea, and New Zealand.

This wonโ€™t do much since most of these prisons operate under state jurisdiction, but in 2021, President Joe Biden issued an executive order to stop the United States Department of Justice from renewing further contracts with private prisons.

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frickityfracktictac 12 points 3 years ago

True, however there are bs for-profit elements to even the non-for-profit prisons. Predatory costs to calling / commissary / etc. that still benefit companies when the US imprisons more people.

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cornbread 7 points 3 years ago

Absolutely. We need a prison reform.

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Speculater 9 points 3 years ago

Even "not for profit" prisons are lining millionaires pockets with infrastructure and maintenance contracts.

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coffeekomrade -8 points 3 years ago
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coffeekomrade -16 points 3 years ago
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TheFriendlyDickhead 2 points 3 years ago

Because its not that fucked up? Those countries have for profit prisons, but the big difference is that they dont incarnate one percent of their population

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httpjames 26 points 3 years ago

And house arrest is being used for mass incarceration of people being ACCUSED before conviction. The punishment can be more severe before conviction.

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nothingcorporate 19 points 3 years ago

And many states let private companies charge accused people up to $40 a day for the ankle bracelets.

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Sternout 11 points 3 years ago

Wtf Do they get it back if found not guilty? Do you have a source?

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PMmesexypajamas 5 points 3 years ago

Uhh...nope.

Also...about 25% of the people incarcerated in America aren't even convicted of a crime yet.

Even if they're found innocent, it's likely already cost them their job or made it so they are so far behind on bills from not working that it becomes next to impossible to climb out from under

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httpjames 7 points 3 years ago

Did you also watch that Vice documentary?

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nothingcorporate 1 point 3 years ago

I did. That was a new angle to our prison industrial dystopia.

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Hypersapien 7 points 3 years ago

Only about 8% of the US prison population is in for-profit prisons.

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WheeGeetheCat 34 points 3 years ago

Listen I live in the USA, but if thats your best pushback to all those facts - should tell you what a dire state we are in. And prisons that aren't for profit still send out prisoners to for-profit industries to work, so it's kind of a moot point.

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Fedizen 6 points 3 years ago

california spending 100k+ per prisoner but renting them out for pennies is one of the insane unsustainable aspects of the system and then going and saying "we can't afford to let them out" is mind numbing.

The whole circus is just to keep wages down and arrest anybody folks don't want in their shitty suburb.

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Hypersapien 3 points 3 years ago

I'm also in the US and I'm aware of all of this.

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Player2 7 points 3 years ago

๐Ÿ‘

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bdonvr 27 points 3 years ago

And how many of these other prisons offer up their prisoners as extremely cheap labor to businesses that ARE for profit?

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andthenthreemore 11 points 3 years ago

That's still about 96,344 people. Which is nearly double the total prison population of Spain.

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Dohnakun 129 points 3 years ago path: 0 825007, hotness: undefined, score: 129, children: 12
ricky135uk 65 points 3 years ago

And yet still most Americans think everyone is trying to sneak into their country! You couldn't pay me to live there.

I'm surprised there is not more travel advisory warnings for travel to America ๐Ÿ˜ฎโ€๐Ÿ’จ

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evilspez 12 points 3 years ago

The american continent is actually quite dangerous - if I remember right most of the top 10 dangerous cities are in south- or north america.

Also I once heard that the US is the country with the highest death rate which isn't in a (civil) war...

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Crimesawastin 5 points 3 years ago

A lot of people try to get refugee status in the US, but the CBP puts them in open-air prisons in the desert. There are also are least 16 million undocumented immigrants living in the US. They don't all have to "sneak", they just overstay their visas.

The CBP was commissioned explicitly to enforce racial "hygiene" in the US. I don't understand how they weren't disbanded decades ago.

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Crimesawastin 2 points 3 years ago
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Crimesawastin 1 point 3 years ago
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bdonvr 35 points 3 years ago

Fuck man...

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jubilationtcornpone 38 points 3 years ago

Listen, a lot of people don't understand the key to the living well in the United States. It's really very simple. Just be rich. You'll have the best life ever.

If you're too stupid to be rich (or you didn't inherit a billion dollars from your parents), blame some poor brown dude for "stealing" a shitty job that you didn't actually want anyways because it's worse and pays less than your shitty job. It won't make anything better at all but at least you'll feel like you understand why everything sucks (even though you actually don't) and you'll have the benefit of living in poverty AND feeling smugly superior to someone else who also lives in poverty for stupid (racist) reasons.

And if you think about it, that sense of superiority is nearly as good (it definitely isn't) as being rich.

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Dohnakun 15 points 3 years ago

Appropriate reaction. I never did the whole thing, because i'm not US and suddenly had enough.

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Bluetreefrog 22 points 3 years ago

Wow.

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Narwhalrus 17 points 3 years ago

This was incredible. Thanks for sharing.

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Speculater 4 points 3 years ago

Damn, that's a powerful message.

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KammicRelief 4 points 3 years ago

Holy shit....

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geissi 94 points 3 years ago

Reminder that the US have never abolished slavery for prisoners and have one of the largest slave population in the world.

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Zithero 57 points 3 years ago

Yep... And every time there's an employment issue for the agricultural industry, they whip out the prisoners...

However to the prisoner's credit: They do an absolutely terrible job at whatever it is they're doing.

Why? What are they going to do... Fire you? Jail you? You have no incentive at all to do the job well as a prisoner.

Bonus is by doing a horrific job it makes employers less likely to actually request prison workforces.

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joel_feila 1 point 3 years ago

well the prison can not pay you and then you dont have the money for soap or tampon and get sick and literally in some cases die

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Compactor9679 -37 points 3 years ago

Tha fuck are you talking about?

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Scrumpletin 29 points 3 years ago

AMENDMENT XIII

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

If you're convicted in the US you become a slave in waiting. Ever wonder why reds Love superfluous policing of certain communities and broken window policing? Because it's a direct pipeline to private prisons profit from legal slaves.

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camjo13 -18 points 3 years ago

Personally I just want better policing so I don't have to move my family again cause our apartment got shot up thanks to collateral damage.

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Scrumpletin 27 points 3 years ago

That's not really the same issue. Also, policing isn't going to fix that or it already would have. The states is the most over policed "democracy"on the planet. Common sense domestic gun policies, actual social security structures meant to help citizens, reverse the gutting of federal civil services like education, any I've one of these would help more than any amount of police and all of them are generally what most other democratic countries have. Dumping more money on unqualified overpaid ass sitters hoping for riot overtime for a new seadoo is how we got here.

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touchegooodsir 15 points 3 years ago

M8, how is that relevant :| better policing isnt going to fix the economic/social/mental health conditions that lead to shoot outs...

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stappern 3 points 3 years ago
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cheeseburgers 75 points 3 years ago

THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD A PRISON THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD A PRISON THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD A PRISON FOR YOU AND ME

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corvax 21 points 3 years ago

All research and successful drug policy SHOOOWS that treatment should be increased

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devilish 20 points 3 years ago

Law enforcement decreased while abolishing. mandatory. minimum. sentences.

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corvax 7 points 3 years ago

Utilizing drugs to pay for secret wars around the world

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Onionizer 6 points 3 years ago

Drugs are now your global policy, now you police the globe

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machinaeZER0 8 points 3 years ago

Classic song

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HariSeldon_official 6 points 3 years ago

Having to live in the US is already a punishment, being inmate is like being in a prison inside a prison.

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BettyWhiteInHD 7 points 3 years ago
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boonhet 9 points 3 years ago

I've given the US tons of shit and have even done so in this thread, but I'll be the first to admit there's plenty of reason to migrate. Much of the country is an unwalkable hellhole with mediocre salaries, but there are still at least a few cities that are 1) walkable or have good public transit, 2) have salaries that even western Europe can only dream of 3) aren't all that bad with crime either.

It just sucks to be poor in the US. But if you've got a great career, it's one of the few places where hard work CAN technically result in becoming a millionaire, as a software engineer or doctor for an example. The country has a working population for 167 million and somehow has over 20 million millionaires.

Also there's so much variety of nature for one country, it's nuts.

If H1Bs weren't so hard to come by, I'd probably move and work for that sweet US software engineer salary for 5 years, then move back to my homeland that has much cheaper property lol

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BettyWhiteInHD 2 points 3 years ago
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MBM 7 points 3 years ago

there are reasons why people are or are trying to immigrate here in droves

If you compare yourself to third-world countries you always come out looking good. "America Bad" can definitely get circlejerky though, no denying that

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BettyWhiteInHD 6 points 3 years ago
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toomanyjoints69 5 points 3 years ago

Anyone I've met outside of America treated me like I lived in a third world country. Perhaps you live a middle class existence in an urban area? Go to a decaying town in a rural area and you will see how nearly half of America lives. A lot of middle class people are super sheltered. Did you buy the laptop you are on? I found mine in the trash outside the college where all the middle class kids go to. Do you use linux because you like free software? I use linux because my computer is literal trash and i need to remove spyware

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Calzoner 3 points 3 years ago
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ampdrool -2 points 3 years ago

Cool ๐Ÿ‘

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BurtsBS 2 points 3 years ago

Painfully obvious that the children have now also migrated here.

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touchegooodsir 2 points 3 years ago

Have you considered that this website is primarily Americans, and thus the most complaints would be... about America when it comes to quality of life/systemic societal issues. We're the wealthiest country on the planet of course people will want to move here.

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rayquetzalcoatl 49 points 3 years ago

Nice to see that even here - a shitposting forum - whenever anybody posts anything negative about America, yanks can't handle it.

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ox0r 13 points 3 years ago

Must be nice not getting dronestrikes by some distant nation that is full of psychos

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julesiecoolsie 6 points 3 years ago
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joel_feila 2 points 3 years ago

i watched that episode last night

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GiddyGap 3 points 3 years ago

As we have all learned from Jack Nicholson, the truth is hard to handle.

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trekman10 3 points 3 years ago

I love how it's full of people whining about having left reddit to escape this shit like bruh this is the fediverse

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Tsume 1 point 3 years ago

It would be more accurate to say that people are people wherever you go.

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S_H_K 26 points 3 years ago

They made it a business. How many places in the world have private incarceration facilities?

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Unhappily_Coerced 7 points 3 years ago

Many countries have private prisons.

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boonhet 4 points 3 years ago

And in how many of those is it legal for prison corporations to buy laws?

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thesanewriter 3 points 3 years ago

Theoretically, none, including the United States. In practice, all of them. They are all Capitalist nations, and under Capitalism companies weaponize their massive pool of wealth and resources to push for favorable laws. Thus, any nation with for-profit prisons will see those prison companies perform some type of lobbying.

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boonhet 3 points 3 years ago

Unfortunately, Citizens United essentially makes it legal. In most other developed countries, it's not nearly as simple. Not saying corruption doesn't happen, but in many countries it's punishable if it comes out. In my country an MP was investigated for buying a car because she received a discount from the dealer and thought it was normal, but it was considered a potential bribe.

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spicy_biscuits -6 points 3 years ago

Oh! Many countries do it, so it's fine! Noted.

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JakeHimself 11 points 3 years ago

Someone asked a question and someone gave an answer. It isn't a political commentary.

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Unhappily_Coerced 9 points 3 years ago

Not saying it's fine, just that stupid questions deserve stupid answers.

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spicy_biscuits -7 points 3 years ago

Then go find go find a stupid question to give your stupid answers to.

For-profit prisons are a fucking scourge, and they're way too common.

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Hikiru 16 points 3 years ago

Iโ€™ve heard some prisons have minimum prisoner requirements, which is incredibly fucked up

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JakeHimself 2 points 3 years ago

How does that play out? Do they try to extend sentences? Can they try to influence intake?

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LeZero 7 points 3 years ago
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JakeHimself 4 points 3 years ago

:( That's not nice

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LeZero 5 points 3 years ago
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kwerks 16 points 3 years ago

The Land of free to profit off of misery.

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BurtsBS -8 points 3 years ago

Would you be surprised to hear that nobody forces you to break the law and go to prison in the US?

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dragonflyteaparty 6 points 3 years ago

Would you be surprised to hear that some people are desperate and resort to gangs and theft because other opportunities have been closed off? How about that we have mass untreated mental illness and people resort to drugs to self medicate? How about that mental illness is still misunderstood even now, leaving people to commit "crimes" such as loitering and being threatening even though what they just need is healthcare? How about that the war on drugs is really what made our prison population sky rocket and the massive increase started in the 1980's? How about that mass incarceration does nothing to affect violent or property crime?

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BurtsBS 0 points 3 years ago

Awful large wall of text stating exactly what I said.

Nobody forces you to commit crime. You make your own choices.

You want to self medicate with drugs and can't handle your shit, you belong in prison or in the ground. You have a mental illness that you decide you don't want to treat and threaten someone, you belong in prison or in the ground.

There is no lack of opportunity in the US, no matter your upbringing or where you're from. You wanna keep that victim mentality, go for it, but nobody gives a fuck.

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stappern 0 points 3 years ago
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elouboub 8 points 3 years ago

Is there a community that exclusively shits on the US on the threadiverse?

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ilikekeyboards 14 points 3 years ago

-be the "first in the world" -everywhere you go yell "USA! USA! USA!" -sparking people's curiosity and they look into your garden -they find a dystopian horror show, a land where billionaires are kings, millions deprived of liberty, hundred millions depraved of healthcare, an ever increasing tumour of fascists group that wish for some women and minorities to have fewer rights

-ohshit.jpg

You can't have the biggest running circus without everyone starring and complaining and debating.

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BurtsBS -8 points 3 years ago

Tell me you've learned everything you know about the US from 13 year olds online without telling me you learned everything you know from 13 year olds online.

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pizzatime 9 points 3 years ago

he's not wrong though. like, the mass shooting yesterday was something like the 340th so far this year? the place is fucking nuts

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BurtsBS -1 points 3 years ago

Now remove gang violence.

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coffeekomrade -4 points 3 years ago
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Cynosure 8 points 3 years ago

Lemmygrad as a whole enjoys it

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BurtsBS 0 points 3 years ago

Is that in between trips to the gulag or starving or?

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Xylight 3 points 3 years ago

I wonder how high these kinds of posts spiked during the migration

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paddirn 6 points 3 years ago

And potentially somewhere around half of that population is in there for non-violent crimes, with alot of inmates in for drug offenses, it's absolutely ridiculous. Focus on the people that need to be in prisons, the violent sociopaths, stop trying to turn more people into criminals.

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joel_feila 3 points 3 years ago

46% at state level are for violent crimes, at the federal it is 8% for violent crimes

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victron 4 points 3 years ago
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cheeseburgers 5 points 3 years ago
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x4740N 4 points 3 years ago

There's a few things missing from behind the mask

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snek 1 point 3 years ago path: 0 842267, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
Novman 1 point 3 years ago

And an huge colonial empire ( europe/japan/korea )

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lemmyshmemmy -28 points 3 years ago

The US isn't a colonial empire.

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Novman 2 points 3 years ago

The US is one of the biggest colonial empires in history.

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lemmyshmemmy -18 points 3 years ago

Then it should be easy to provide an example of a US colony.

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Novman -1 points 3 years ago

Nato countries, easy.

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littlecolt 2 points 3 years ago

You wut mate?

Look up, hmmm what's a good one... Oh oh, Northern Marianas Islands. Go go go

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lemmyshmemmy -21 points 3 years ago

The Northern Mariana Islands are a US commonwealth, they voted for and easily chose it in 1975.

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littlecolt 1 point 3 years ago

Gosh that sounds an awful lot like colonialism with extra steps. Check out their labor law history. It's a real fun read.

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thecommunistpig 0 points 3 years ago

Lmao what

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BadEgg 0 points 3 years ago

Then join them in 'solidarity'.

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eltimablo -11 points 3 years ago

How can America have 25% of the world's prison population of the entire country doesn't make up even 10% of the world's population?

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FierroGamer 26 points 3 years ago

Other countries don't hold as many people in jail?

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captainkaba 10 points 3 years ago

Damn u onto something

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bdonvr 15 points 3 years ago

Well see, that's kinda the point of the post.

We're "the land of the free" but also the land of the most non-free people.

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Compactor9679 -7 points 3 years ago

Non free people with the best Free speach laws

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ImplyingImplications 11 points 3 years ago

I have a bag and in it are 100 coloured tokens. 90 are black and 10 are red. What percentage of tokens are red? 10 out of 100, which is 10%.

Now I pull two tokens at random. In my hand is 1 red token and 1 black token. I can say red tokens make up 50% of the tokens in my hand. But wait? How can the red tokens make up 50% of the tokens in my hand if they only make up 10% of all the tokens in the bag?

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KillaBeez -33 points 3 years ago

I left Reddit to escape bullshit like this

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Monkeyhog 54 points 3 years ago

You came to the wrong fucking place then.

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SharperScrimmage 9 points 3 years ago

Reddit moment

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AnonTwo 31 points 3 years ago

I don't think this is exclusively a reddit thing

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spicy_biscuits 22 points 3 years ago

And I left reddit to escape idiots like you. If I can handle being disappointed, so can you. Shut the fuck up.

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KillaBeez -11 points 3 years ago

Ahh there it is

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spicy_biscuits 11 points 3 years ago

Gee, I wonder why you expected people to react badly to you ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿค”๐Ÿค”

Guess we'll never know! You have yourself a good one. And if you're American, don't forget to wave your flag today! ๐Ÿ˜˜

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Monkeyhog 14 points 3 years ago

You came to the wrong fucking place then.

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stappern 4 points 3 years ago
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ElRompeCulo 1 point 3 years ago
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ElRompeCulo -2 points 3 years ago
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ElRompeCulo -29 points 3 years ago

Me too. The โ€œAmerica badโ€ thing got old on Reddit. I Hope it doesnโ€™t take off here too.

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MostlyBirds 90 points 3 years ago

If you don't want to hear about America being bad, don't go to the same places as people who live in reality.

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ElRompeCulo 13 points 3 years ago

I donโ€™t deny the problems with this country. I vote to try and make this country better. Seeing the same posts about how horrible this country is gets old after a while. A majority of Reddit and this site would agree with the flaws of the US. The people who really need to hear this stuff arenโ€™t on here.

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Machinist3359 36 points 3 years ago

Pointing out flaws in the country shouldn't be seen as a personal attack or critique. Many of the victims of America are it's citizens (e.g., the incarcerated).

Nationalism just twists the government into our personal identity to manipulate us. Making fun of the government/system is healthy.

This isn't "Americans dumb" content, which attacks the actual citizens and understandably may weigh on someone.

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Yendor 10 points 3 years ago

The thing is, America (many Americans anyway) are continually screaming at everyone online about how America is the best country in the world and everywhere else is a shithole - despite very few measures supporting that.

If you insist on telling everyone youโ€™re the best, when you have so many serious flaws, people are going to mock you for it.

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LeZero 6 points 3 years ago
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DreamerofDays 2 points 3 years ago

I take it as โ€œAmerica has good ideals that it should live up to.โ€

Might be pollyanna-ingโ€ฆ almost certainly am, but Iโ€™m trying to take this Independence Day to appreciate what weโ€™ve got, what my ancestors came to this country for, and that the maintenance of it, and the realization of its ideals, is a lot of work weโ€™ve got to do yet, and will always be with us.

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BurtsBS -4 points 3 years ago

You mean don't go to places where children spew nonsense their loser parents tell them because they also made the choice to be degenerate fucking bums their entire lives?

Then when they're middle age and still have nothing to show for it they attempt to influence the entire system to change despite not even being able to improve their own position in life?

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MostlyBirds 7 points 3 years ago

Tell us more about how 60% of the population lives paycheck to paycheck because they're just lazy, and not because they were born to the wrong parents in a shitty system that only rewards worthless cunts who succeed by stepping on the throats of the people who do all the work.

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dragonflyteaparty 1 point 3 years ago

What part of the information in the original post is untrue? It is true, then maybe it is ok to point out the bad things?

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ImplyingImplications 27 points 3 years ago

Hi. As a not American, I can say Americans get made fun of a lot by not Americans. We like to share these jokes with each other online, as not Americans also use the internet.

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BettyWhiteInHD -12 points 3 years ago
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ImplyingImplications 14 points 3 years ago

Canada. I'd appreciate any joke. Personal favourites include our Prime Minister's blackface, or changing the words of the national anthem to be "our home on native land", or suggesting that we have two official languages: English and Chinese.

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thisbenzingring 20 points 3 years ago

See most places are bad but America should be better. It presents itself as the better. It does not always live up to that better and so those people who want us to be better keep reminding us we have a lot of work to do. I can tell you personally how horrible America can be but I don't think you want to hear that from a Lakota.

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bdonvr 18 points 3 years ago

I hate to break it to you but most of the fediverse skews even more left than Reddit did.

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Unhappily_Coerced -30 points 3 years ago

It will, because leftists love to cry and moan on the internet.

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DamnedWizard -38 points 3 years ago

We have that percentage because we actually lock up our criminals, unlike Sweden or Germany.

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pancakes 29 points 3 years ago

Ah yes, Germany and Sweden. The last bastions for criminals all around the world. Oh wait, I'm 6-7 times as likely to be murdered in the US then those two places (Source).

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DamnedWizard -18 points 3 years ago
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pancakes 17 points 3 years ago

Let's see your source. Show everyone even a shed of evidence supporting your claims.

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vreraan 21 points 3 years ago

Are you stupid?

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elouboub 10 points 3 years ago

You didn't have to ask

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JakeHimself 3 points 3 years ago

I don't agree with this person, but I also feel like I'm missing something in particular if you're asking whether this person is stupid for having that take. Am I? Is there something about those county's prison systems that is important here?

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vreraan 5 points 3 years ago

In the USA there is no welfare system that prevents or cures mental disorders, weapons are freely sold and the streets are not safe. It is clear that the only solution there is to wait for someone to go crazy and be thrown in jail.

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JakeHimself 1 point 3 years ago

Fair enough

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boonhet 11 points 3 years ago

Sure. Definitely nothing to do with the fact that in your country, locking people up is SUPER profitable for prisons and a few other industries so certain institutions lobby to make sure more people keep getting locked up.

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