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SmallAlmond 40 points 3 years ago

I'm deeply sorry, but I had to mention i2p torrenting, it might become more popular soon.

Sidenote: I2P torrenting doesn't require a vpn or port forwarding, and is indeed more private.

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Black_Gulaman 27 points 3 years ago

Can you elaborate on this, it's the first time I've heard of I2P torrenting

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Zpiritual 8 points 3 years ago

It seems to be a special torrent client that work similar to tor (guessing with less hops though) and bounce encrypted traffic on special "i2p routers". Not sure if they do the onion style encryption of thor.

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Black_Gulaman 3 points 3 years ago

Thanks, I'll be looking it up on my free time.

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wolfshadowheart 9 points 3 years ago

For what it's worth I've read that most torrenting hosts will be adding support for it (at least qbit has said)

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alvvayson 10 points 3 years ago

I2P torrenting with a seedbox is the undeniable future. It will probably just take a year or so to reach critical mass. It's slow now because a lack of mass.

The main relevant difference between I2P and Tor is that Tor runs on donated bandwidth and therefore can't scale: the more it is used, the more volunteers are needed to donate bandwidth. Which is why they aren't happy with people torrenting.

I2P is P2P so the more people use it, the faster it becomes. Which is why they really want people to use it for torrenting.

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SuperSmashDan 1 point 3 years ago

Why do you see i2p torrenting becoming popular? I think it's probably too much hassle for 99% of people.

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alvvayson 8 points 3 years ago

Once all major bittorrent clients support it with integrated I2P routers, the hassle is literally just checking a box, which will be on by default in many clients.

Remember when trackers were being taken down and we all switched to DHT/magnet? Same will happen if they go after VPN's, we will switch to I2P. And it seems they are going after VPN's.

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artic 2 points 3 years ago

which clients support it already?

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tom 1 point 3 years ago

Yes, I downloaded something recommended because I was curious and genuinely could not make heads or tails of what I was looking at. I've got about 4 pis and 80tb of storage kicking around, for context. Just noped out after a couple days

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anonymoose 27 points 3 years ago

ProtonVPN. It's an organization built around principles of privacy, so I use them a lot and support them as much as I can. I have their VPN on a docker container with gluetun.

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pineapplelover 14 points 3 years ago

I'm a proton unlimited subscriber and I love it. Simplelogin, e2ee emails, vpn, all amazing. Their tech support team is awesome and they have always been fast and helpful when assisting me with my computers.

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ArcaneSlime 8 points 3 years ago

E2ee emails is only between proton and proton btw, proton to gmail (or anyone else) is not emcrypted by default, you'd need to pgp it yourself for that.

I know that may sound obvious, but you'd be surprised how many people don't know that so I just wanted to drop a heads up just in case anyone reading was unaware.

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Kcg 10 points 3 years ago

Plus a great mail provider to escape the Gmail.

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DahGangalang 1 point 3 years ago

I like proton mail and use it for my daily, but I've heard rumors it's a fed honeypot. Seems like a good choice to escape corporate big data collection, but probably want to avoid it for anything of questionable legality.

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Kcg 2 points 3 years ago

Yea great to get away from those damn adverts. I often wonder with enough pressure would they comply with a government or as you said are they a honey pot themselves. In europe Encrochat was a good example of it happening.

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truami 7 points 3 years ago

+1 for Proton. I also have their mail for all my domains. Works wonders and feels trustworthy, for whatever that's worth.

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regulatorg 3 points 3 years ago

Why does it need to be in a container? Also the Linux GUI client has no port forwarding options

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anonymoose 4 points 3 years ago

It doesn't need to be in a container, but it works well in one for my use case. I use it in a headless server running OpenMediaVault with qBittorrent and a bunch of arr apps. The apps are all in containers sharing a network with port forwarding set up, so that none of them leak any DNS information.

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transientpunk 2 points 3 years ago

Running it with Gluetun makes me think they are just using that container to attach other containers to a VPN, so only the services that need to be behind a VPN.

I use a similar setup on my server, where all of my media is virtualized and containerized.

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dustojnikhummer 1 point 3 years ago

Yeah I'm moving to Proton when my current Surfshark membership expires.

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p5f20w18k 26 points 3 years ago

AirVPN is a good one

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CmdrShepard 7 points 3 years ago

This is what I switched to after Mullvad removed their port forwarding. It works fine so far. Interestingly, the Android app reminds me of a Geocities page circa 2002.

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topnomi 4 points 3 years ago

I've been using airvpn for years

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rambos 3 points 3 years ago

But arent they removing port forwarding soon?

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Zpiritual 13 points 3 years ago

No they've committed to keeping it. But they have an issue with port availability so they'll probably need to move to a per server allocation eventually. Recently they reduced the allocation per user down to 5 from 20 though just to delay when they run out.

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rambos 3 points 3 years ago

Thx thats helpfull

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ramboteng 18 points 3 years ago

I use Mullvad and do not need to forward any ports for torrenting.

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CmdrShepard 26 points 3 years ago

You do if you want to seed or use private trackers otherwise you can make any incoming connections.

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snow_storm55 2 points 3 years ago

5 € VPN + 5 € seedbox is a great combo. I would swear Mullvad is even faster now that they stopped supporting PF.

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Marauder20 8 points 3 years ago

It is faster because they are losing subscribers, and because their remaining subscribers are having more difficulty connecting to peers due to lack of PF. I switched to Air VPN and was actually surprised how fast it was compared to Mullvad. (the Canadian servers at least, haven't tried many of the other servers).

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snow_storm55 2 points 3 years ago

Makes sense. My average upload amount dropped by 50%, too. What download speeds do you get with airvpn? I have 1 Gbps so anything below 80 MB/s wouldn't be worth switching.

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eager_eagle 0 points 3 years ago

I'm still seeding using Mullvad right now...

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Reliant1087 10 points 3 years ago

Most downloaders will not be able to reach you.

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Marauder20 18 points 3 years ago

Air VPN as it supports port forwarding. PF isn't as important if you only download popular new content, as there are usually enough connectable seeders on popular torrents. But PF is absolutely crucial if you want to be able to obtain old or rare content or if you use private trackers.

I'm honestly baffled that so many are still recommending Mullvad after they made such a stunning reversal of their friendly policy towards p2p by removing port forwarding. I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw them.

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Reliant1087 7 points 3 years ago

Switched to AirVPN. It's pretty good so far. Not great for general browsing because you get a ton of captchas.

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CmdrShepard 2 points 3 years ago

Dude it's insane how many people here A) don't even know what port forwarding is and B) tell others port forwarding isn't needed at all.

Where does all this confusion come from?

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Emet 2 points 3 years ago
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bier 2 points 3 years ago

for me it was 70MB/s on mullvad and 50MB/s on AirVPN

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elghoto 1 point 3 years ago

FYI, changing from one exit node to another can change speeds drastically.

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amprebel 1 point 3 years ago

Their decision to block port forwarding was unfortunate, but understandable. I've been using it for the past year and when I first started, I rarely ran into any issues with being blacklisted. Now it's a nearly daily occurrence. I don't know how true it is, but Mullvad claimed that much of the activity leading to blocked IPs came from activity related to port forwarding. If that's true, then I'd say the decision is good. Like others have said, torrenting is still possible without port forwarding, but it's also true that rarer content and private trackers become difficult. Ultimately there was no perfect solution here.

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LemmyLaLibre 0 points 3 years ago

Mullvad is nice because you don't need to make an account or sign up with an ID or phone number. Plus you can pay with monero.

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elghoto 1 point 3 years ago

but no PF, so it doesn't matter how nice it is.

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sheepcoin 10 points 3 years ago

Private Internet Access allows port forwarding

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BaroqueInMind 7 points 3 years ago

They used to be Denver-based, but got bought out by a shitty British mega corporation with shit policies, so I dropped them for Nord, which also sucked because their servers were slow.

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rov3r 3 points 3 years ago

I though Nord has always struggled with security. They had a breach a couple years ago right? Customer info got leaked?

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unce 7 points 3 years ago

I've had PIA for years. It has always worked so I haven't had a reason to try anything else. I think its like $2/mo paid yearly.

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Spendies 1 point 3 years ago

You have to use a server outside the US for port forwarding though. Canada works.

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ArrogantAnalyst 8 points 3 years ago

AirVPN customer since 7-8 years. If you want some flashy highly polished website and client which could win design awards, look elsewhere. Otherwise it’s top notch. They have an easy to use client and support for both native WireGuard and OpenVPN.

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chilidoghedgehog 4 points 3 years ago

Just switched from Mullvad to AirVPN last weekend, and I agree with everything you said. So far, no issues.

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dustojnikhummer 1 point 3 years ago

100 Euros/3 years, even their prices are good!

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Conyak 4 points 3 years ago

I have been using PIA. They changed owners awhile back and there were some concerns about if they would continue to NOT keep logs. They have maintained that standard and I’ve had zero issues torrenting with them.

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anonymouslemmy 12 points 3 years ago

They sell even an antivirus, I don't think it's trustworthy company. In my personal opinion nowadays antivirus are a scam.

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daspook -1 points 3 years ago

Why do you think antiviruses are a scam?

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LiamTheBox 16 points 3 years ago
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CmdrShepard 8 points 3 years ago

And because most anti-virus skirts the line between useful software and malware these days

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IthronMorn 5 points 3 years ago

Because most viruses are less annoying than all the pop ups that Norton used to give and also because most viruses are less hoggish about system resources! Also, does anybody remember John Mcafee?

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rambos 1 point 3 years ago

Is it possible to use port forward with gluetun and pia do you know?

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CmdrShepard 1 point 3 years ago

I used PIA years ago and they supported OpenVPN and Wireguard so you should be able to configure them in gluetun with that, but I've only had one half-assed attempt at trying out containers at this point so take this with a grain of salt.

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rambos 1 point 3 years ago

Ok ill keep that in mind ty. Was going to get free trial, but ill stick to airvpn for now since they are keeping PF it seems

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nemanin 4 points 3 years ago

Why is everyone anti NordVPN again?

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pineapplelover 18 points 3 years ago

They had a data breach because they weren't careful and they're a bunch of liars that say the government hasn't sent data requests but they have.

I'm a protonvpn unlimited subscriber and I love it because the company has lawyers to fight tooth and nail against legal requests I can't say the same for Nord. The only controversy Proton has had is with Protonmail when an environmental activist used it and proton gave their IP address. There was lots of backlash from this but if you use the internet without a VPN (the activist did not use a VPN), then you should be expecting your IP address to be public, that's how the internet is able to work.

https://thevpn.guru/nordvpn-legal-data-request/https://www.pcmag.com/...https://techcrunch.com/...

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nemanin 1 point 3 years ago

Does protonvpn have an option to auto-connect to vpn on wifi networks (with white listing)?

Apart form my transmission-openvpn container, my main use of the vpn is to keep my traffic private from my personal devices (iphone, ipad, mac) on most wifi networks. It just auto connects and I never have to remember to do it. But home/trusted wifi is white listed and won’t vpn, again automagically.

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CheeseAndCrepes 16 points 3 years ago

Honesty the reason I never considered them is because they advertised so hard on YouTube and Podcasts that they annoyed me so I never considered them.

Jesus, felt like there was a time when halfway through any YouTube video it became “and I learned about this browsing the internet safely with Nord VPN…”

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Mr_Bobot 2 points 3 years ago
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LiamTheBox 7 points 3 years ago
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bitcoin 6 points 3 years ago

Because they're also a big corp, pop one.

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ArcaneSlime 6 points 3 years ago

Weeellll that and the data breaches, of course.

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CmdrShepard 5 points 3 years ago

They don't offer port forwarding so it's kinda pointless to use for torrenting.

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nemanin -2 points 3 years ago

Not if you use it with a transmission-openvpn container…

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nemanin 3 points 3 years ago

Although reading another comment makes me think maybe I don’t understand this as well as I think I do…….

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elghoto 1 point 3 years ago

At least in the context of the question:

  1. they don't have port forwarding. 2) their speeds for torrenting are crap.
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BaroqueInMind -11 points 3 years ago

They are a great VPN. People hated them because it's a fad to hate on the status quo, as well as their heavy and annoying advertising campaign.

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elghoto 1 point 3 years ago

I have had them. At least for torrenting they are crap. No port-forwarding and crappy speeds. I'm not using them now, and I'm very happy.

Also to watch content from other regions from streaming services. All their servers were banned..

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darcy 4 points 3 years ago

i believe windscribe is good, but i havent done enough research to be confidwnt

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Don_Beefy 2 points 3 years ago
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uninvitedguest 5 points 3 years ago

OP specifically mentioned moving away from Mullvad.

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Don_Beefy 2 points 3 years ago

yeah, I thought I deleted my reply already. My bad

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Aussiemandeus 1 point 3 years ago

It's weird, for me i can still read your reply etc but it has deleted next to it

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Don_Beefy 2 points 3 years ago

Interesting, maybe it is a bug. I'm still new to lemmy, so there is a lot I need to learn.

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Double_A -1 points 3 years ago

Why are people downvoting? Is there something wrong with Mullvad? As far as I was aware, it was one of the good one out there...

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Don_Beefy 7 points 3 years ago

Because I responded before reading the body of the post. OP specifically asked for a VPN that is not Mullvad. I thought i deleted the reply, but I guess it is still visible.

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CmdrShepard 5 points 3 years ago

Mullvad just removed port forwarding so OP is looking for something new. I didn't downvote though (jerboa doesn't even show a downvote button).

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Oshka 2 points 3 years ago

I started with Cyberghost because they were cheap and had no issues. ProtonVPN my go to now though.

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veloute 2 points 3 years ago

still using mullvad and haven't had any issues.

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elghoto 1 point 3 years ago

they don't have port-forwarding, how can be that not an issue for torrenting?

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veloute 1 point 3 years ago

port forwarding isn't exactly necessary, but it does help with connectivity.

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CrypticFawn 2 points 3 years ago

I'm new to vpns, what's port forwarding?

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azron 11 points 3 years ago

Port forwarding allows for a direct connection from one client to another. Effectively when a VPN let's you port forward if you go to the external IP address they assign + the port they assigned they will be able to directly connect to a port that a program/service is listening on.

Torrent sites are only telling your client who to connect to via the tracker, your client still needs to be able to connect to them. You can still download without this but it is generally slower (may be going through a relay) and you cannot seed torrents except for anyone that can directly connect to you on whatever VPN you are on.

*Likely some mistakes above. Keep me honest denizens of the web.

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CrypticFawn 1 point 3 years ago

Thank you!

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abrasiveteapot 4 points 3 years ago

It forwarding opens a port direct to your system from the vpn ip.

So if your internet address at your router to your ISP is 1.1.1.1(which NATs it to your PC address on your lan) and the vpn exit address is say 10.10.10.10

Then when you port forward a port, say 443 (you wouldnt) then any request to 10.10.10:443 would then go to 1.1.1.1:443 and then to your pc on your lan.

In short it allows a direct connection through the vpn

Edit

Technically that's slightly incorrect,

packet goes on 10.10.10.10:443 but it goes to the PC directly through the vpn tunnel. The port it goes through the 1.1.1.1 router to the PC on could be anything, it won't necessarily be 443. It will be whatever the vpn is set to use

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rambos 0 points 3 years ago

I feel like its kinda late to learn now lol. Jokes aside, but its hard to find a good vpn with port forwarding nowdays, I dont know is there any at all. Im not expert, but forwarding will help a lot with seeding and thats the point of torrenting

Edit: you can still use torrents without port forwarding, it wont mess up your download speed

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CrypticFawn 5 points 3 years ago

That... did not answer my question at all.

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rambos 1 point 3 years ago

Im sorry about that. Good thing we have experts here 😉

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d4bn3y 1 point 3 years ago

For what it’s worth, I’ve been using the free tier of hide.me coming from 2 years of surfshark. The speeds aren’t great. But it’s $0 and it works 🤷‍♂️

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Roxxor 1 point 3 years ago

Got a lifetime subscription for FastestVPN some years ago. Its slow, but it works and is unlimited so 🙆‍♂️

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Thetimefarm 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah... I'm not sure how much I would trust that.

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Roxxor 2 points 3 years ago

Its not for privacy, but for deniability. I wouldn't "trust" any traditional VPN.

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CmdrShepard 1 point 3 years ago

I wouldn't trust them to keep me 'hidden' but I do trust the commercial VPNs not to snoop on my traffic or do other nefarious things. Something like this, I wouldn't trust either way.

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tungah 1 point 3 years ago

I torrent all my Linux distros with Mullvad. No problems here.

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immibis 12 points 3 years ago

do you understand what port forwarding is for?

edit: basically, one of two ends of a connection has to have port forwarding, or else the connection can't happen at all.

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anoncity 1 point 3 years ago

Finally it gets explained! On Reddit all I ever saw was "if you don't know what port-forwarding is, you don't need to know since you wouldn't use it"

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immibis 1 point 3 years ago

@anoncity you can get by without it because there's a very high chance that at least one seeder of your torrent has a high bandwidth connection and port forwarding.

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immibis 1 point 3 years ago

@anoncity yeah that's bullshit and you should always try to port-forward so you have more possible connections

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snorkbubs 3 points 3 years ago

You absolute maniac.

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downhomechunk 3 points 3 years ago

Same, but for me it's libreoffice updates and protonvpn. We're a couple of badasses.

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Klaatuprime 1 point 3 years ago

I'm still using Mullvad and QBittorrent and I torrent my bloody black guts out with no noticed degradation in speeds since their announcement that they were no longer supporting port forwarding. It's anecdotal, I know, but so far I haven't noticed any problems.

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DivisionResult 0 points 3 years ago

Try cryptostorm.is.

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wischi 10 points 3 years ago

I personally wouldn't try anything with "crypto" in the name these days.

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eager_eagle -2 points 3 years ago

I'm still able to seed using Mullvad ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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thanks for using Leebra!

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