u mad, state?

3 years ago by vikingqueef to c/privacy

TWeaK 149 points 3 years ago path: 0 8010639, hotness: undefined, score: 149, children: 20
vikingqueef 91 points 3 years ago

the whole plan is to get him over here and then kill him or let him die of neglect.

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RobotToaster 61 points 3 years ago

May as well get in early.

Julian Assange didn't kill himself.

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Chakravanti 7 points 3 years ago

A lot like Gary Webb.

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Maggoty -2 points 3 years ago

The US hasn't executed someone under espionage charges since the Rosenbergs.

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RobotToaster 8 points 3 years ago

Do you want to buy a bridge?

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MonkderZweite 6 points 3 years ago path: 0 8010639 8010780 8012693 8028089 8039119, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
Chakravanti 5 points 3 years ago

Formally anyway...

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davel 18 points 3 years ago

I suspect they’d prefer that he die in prison over there, but if not then in prison over here. I don’t think they want to ever take this to trial, because it’s been a farce from the start.

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TWeaK 32 points 3 years ago

They literally dropped all the potentially credible charges they were first going for. Those women in Sweden? Long gone, as of 5 years ago. Hillary Clinton's emails? Also dropped.

What really sucks is that the narrative has changed over years, as the facts have been forgotten. People think he's been in league with Russia, and some even think Russia provided him with evidence against Republicans alongside the Democrat emails, and that he refused to publish the Republican stuff in support of Russia so that Russia's man (Trump) could get in the White House.

First off, Russia wouldn't provide Republican emails if they were trying to get a Republican inside the White House (they didn't provide any such emails and they did promote Trump). Second, the controversy as about Wikileaks not publishing details of Russian corruption. While this is definitely controversial (and frankly something I disagree with), Wikileaks' reasoning was simply: "Russian corruption is not news, it is to be expected".

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poVoq 19 points 3 years ago

Those two women from Sweden were not prostitutes (and even if, it wouldn't matter) and have themselves backtracked from pressing charges. They are also victims of this entire farce and have been instrumentalized.

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SharkAttak 2 points 3 years ago

Well, Epstein's cell is empty at the moment.

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muntedcrocodile 7 points 3 years ago

Does the uk not have a law against executions and if so would the not be breaking said law by extraditing him.

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TWeaK 22 points 3 years ago

That's exactly what they're arguing here. However the US is trying to use a non-answer to avoid this, and in the past that's worked.

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muntedcrocodile 10 points 3 years ago

Well doesnt that just fill you with confidence.

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deweydecibel 3 points 3 years ago

Regardless of any judicial or legal red tape preventing that extradition, are we seriously operating under the assumption that the United States government would execute him?

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TWeaK 25 points 3 years ago

are we seriously operating under the assumption that the United States government would execute him?

Legally, UK and EU courts must consider this, because sending someone to a country where they will be executed for their crimes is a breach of human rights.

By the strict reading of the law, he could be extradited for life in prison. If he was being extradited to be sentenced to death, that would be a no go.

The US are skirting and pushing the bounds of UK law here. Unfortunately, they will likely get away with it, because the English are pussies.

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wildbus8979 1 point 3 years ago

because the English are pussies

You spelled complicit wrong...

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MonkderZweite 3 points 3 years ago

Well, can't send him there then, right?

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LWD 2 points 3 years ago
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nikscha 123 points 3 years ago

Everytime someone says they don't have anything to hide I ask them what the pin of their phone is and to give me their phone. Suddenly that's something different...

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Charger8232 80 points 3 years ago

I once asked a friend if he trusted the lock on his phone (brand new iPhone 15 Pro Max, latest and greatest). He told me he did. I asked him if I could use his phone while it was locked, and he told me "No, I don't trust you. You would probably hack it or something." That statement says two things:

  1. He only cares about attacks on privacy on a personal level, which is the mental flaw lots of people have.

  2. He doesn't actually trust the lock on his phone, but refuses to admit it.

By the way, here's a few fun gimmicks you can pull on iPhone users:

  1. See if you can swipe left to view widgets on the lock screen. I was able to get someone's address this way. He told me the whole time "There's nothing you can find there." and then afterwards said "Ah, crap."

  2. If there is a lock screen mini widget (under the time) for a clock or related feature, tap on it and it will open the clock app. You can also get there if you can swipe down to access control center if the "timer" button is enabled there. You can then make it look like you unlocked their phone, and start reading off their alarm names. This one has freaked out a lot of people.

  3. If they realize how you got there and try disabling control center access on the lock screen (as they should, FaceID is fast enough people!), you can see if you can access Siri and say "View my alarms".

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Eggyhead 44 points 3 years ago

I can see why your friend would assume you could hack their phone based on how specific these steps are.

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pineapplelover 30 points 3 years ago

Me: graphene phone with notifications hidden until unlocked. No voice assistant whatsoever. I guess the only thing you can do is take pictures from lock screen but that's not really useful. It doesn't show gallery of previous photos.

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cows_are_underrated 12 points 3 years ago

Even default android has such settings. I can view what song I'm listening to, take new photos and theoretically take short notes(haven't figured out how it works) and that's it. Also since I disabled the Google assistant, they can't do anything with it too.

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pineapplelover 1 point 3 years ago

Ah that's cool. Had no idea you could disable google assistant without doing some weird stuff with your phone.

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storcholus 13 points 3 years ago

There is a difference between having nothing to hide and not closing the door when talking a shit

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nikscha 28 points 3 years ago

What I'm hearing is that people have an inert desire for privacy, EVEN if they don't have anything to hide (what are you hiding in the toilet?) I don't see why that wouldn't extend into the digital realm....

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Gabu 14 points 3 years ago

And what is it?

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UnderpantsWeevil 9 points 3 years ago

A right to privacy? Not in my country, thank you very much.

The government has every right to watch you take a shit and if you don't acknowledge that then you must be conspiring to deprive us of our freedoms.

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nolight 82 points 3 years ago

Say whatever you want, Snowden's a fucking hero for sharing this.

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n3m37h 40 points 3 years ago

Don't forget the people that tried to blow the whistle on the NSA prior to Snowden

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Sims 51 points 3 years ago

A 'State' is not inherently bad. That's just libertarian propaganda/dogma. Self-interested psychopaths in charge of a state is bad..

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9point6 49 points 3 years ago

Funny thing about ancap libertarianism is that they've correctly identified that power can lead to tyranny, but they're completely oblivious to the power that corporatism (the conclusion of lassez-faire capitalism) results in.

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InternetCitizen2 13 points 3 years ago

They often are Christians, so they apply fundamentalist style thinking and cannot challenge the assumptions they made.

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TengoDosVacas 6 points 3 years ago

tHe mArKeT wIlL rEgUlAtE tHeM

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djehuti 24 points 3 years ago

States always wind up being run by self-interested psychopaths.

That's not a "flaw;" it's the fundamental nature of the concept.

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whodoctor11 1 point 2 years ago
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possiblylinux127 -13 points 3 years ago

We need a strong authoritarian leader and a massive police force to keep the people in line.

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qaz 4 points 3 years ago

I think you forgot a /s

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possiblylinux127 0 points 3 years ago

What makes you think I'm joking?

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DeepGradientAscent 2 points 3 years ago
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LWD 1 point 3 years ago

deleted by creator

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delirious_owl 15 points 3 years ago

Lol lots of people think that no entity has the right to monopolize violence against a population.

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Anticorp 13 points 3 years ago

Unfortunately it's usually self-interested psychopaths who seek out and obtain those positions, especially since you need to be a bit psychotic to do what's required to get there.

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winterayars 12 points 3 years ago

The state is kinda bad and it's not only Right-Libertarians who say that. Even so, leaking documents is not always bad. Like, the Abu Ghraib leak was objectively good.

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Maggoty 4 points 3 years ago

Abu Graib wasn't leaked. Amnesty International talked to prisoners that were released. Then the Red Cross used their oversight powers to get in and make an official report. Then a soldier reported the crimes to the Army's version of the FBI, (CID). The Army then did an investigation and started arresting people.

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winterayars 1 point 3 years ago

Joe Darby came forward with the photographs, effectively leaking them. Rumsfeld later leaked Joe Darby's name and identity, leading to him receiving death threats.

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Maggoty 0 points 3 years ago

He "leaked" them to CID.

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possiblylinux127 5 points 3 years ago

Oh boy, here comes the political drama. Can we not do this?

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LWD 1 point 3 years ago
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Sorgan71 -14 points 3 years ago

any state is bad because taxes are evil

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vikingqueef 9 points 3 years ago

Taxes used for public good and infrastructure are what taxes are supposed to be for. And they should be raised and collected proportionally to your wealth.

Neither of those statements describe how the US handles taxes.

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LWD 9 points 3 years ago
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thebardingreen 1 point 3 years ago
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Obonga 1 point 3 years ago

Ohh man that one must hurt

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phreekno 41 points 3 years ago

Man I really do enjoy reading the classifieds

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Wahots 30 points 3 years ago path: 0 8036235, hotness: undefined, score: 30, children: 1
PipedLinkBot 4 points 3 years ago path: 0 8036235 8036268, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
far_university1990 28 points 3 years ago

Warthunder forum be like

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UnderpantsWeevil 22 points 3 years ago

Putin Alert! Putin Alert! This guy supports Vladimir Putin! He is undermining the US so that the Russians can invade! Also, the Chinese! Also the... uh... Cubans? Venezuelans? Quebecians? Idk, but its bad! They're coming to take your freedom! Protect the NSA! PROTECT THE NSA! THEY STAND BETWEEN YOU AND TYRANNY!

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fahfahfahfah 12 points 3 years ago

Inb4 some Quebec person comes in and complains about “Quebecians”

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vikingqueef 14 points 3 years ago

Phonecians are from phoenix.

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pirat 1 point 3 years ago

Yeahh, those guys invented the phonetic alphabet back in the days, didn't they? Bravo, Papa Queef!

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wildbus8979 2 points 3 years ago

I'll allow it, in fact here in Quebecistan we call Cuba comrades. Always have. One of our favorite vacation destination too.

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andreas 6 points 3 years ago

Quebecians

😂

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Spacehooks 2 points 3 years ago

Canadian bacon!

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jerrythegenius 12 points 3 years ago
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Darkassassin07 10 points 3 years ago

Nothing to hide...

It's the same reason I don't support free speach: I've got nothing to say.

/s

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battleshack 7 points 3 years ago

BUT BUT BUT THOSE ARE ILLEGAL TO SHARE

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Licksrocks 6 points 3 years ago

Bruh it's the government. They have plenty of things to hide.

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deweydecibel 5 points 3 years ago

I mean...the state does have legitimate things to hide beyond their spying programs. Not every person that spills government secrets is as careful as Snowden.

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Allero 4 points 3 years ago

Government always tries to establish as much power imbalance as possible

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0nekoneko7 4 points 3 years ago

played well.

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GrappleHat 1 point 3 years ago

Memes r duamb

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whodoctor11 1 point 2 years ago
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ArbitraryValue 1 point 3 years ago

Except that the government doesn't claim that it has nothing to hide. On the contrary, it has official rules about hiding things. It's not hypocrisy to say that governments have a need for secrecy which is different from that of a normal individual.

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Anticorp 5 points 3 years ago

I have rules about hiding things too. A couple of them are not having creepy weirdos trying to spy on me when I'm making love to my wife, or listening in on deeply private conversations behind closed doors. But for some reason certain people seem to think we don't deserve that essential liberty now, despite it being guaranteed in the Constitution.

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ArbitraryValue 1 point 3 years ago

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. What I'm claiming is that the fact that a government, even a good government, needs to have secrets doesn't have much bearing on the argument for an individual's right to privacy. That doesn't imply that there's no individual right to privacy.

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Anticorp 1 point 3 years ago

The individual does have an essential and legal right to privacy though, the 4th Amendment of the Constitution clearly outlines that. The corporations and the government want to pretend that violating those rights through digital devices we own isn't a violation of the Constitution, when it very clearly is. Snooping through our cloud documents, scanning text messages, or activating a camera or microphone on our phone is no different than sneaking into our homes and going through our paperwork, reading private letters, and installing a hidden microphone and camera. Just because something is digital doesn't mean that it's exempt from our rights. The digital world is every bit as real as the physical world for people who are online.

And yes, of course governments have a genuine need for privacy, as do private and public businesses. The point of the post isn't to say they don't, it's to say that we do too and their hypocrisy is bullshit.

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vikingqueef 2 points 3 years ago

I'm waiting to be told its in the terms and conditions you agreed to when you purchased the phone and activated the service. We're at that level of dystopian now.

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Endward23 -23 points 3 years ago

Sorry, but the cases are too different. The secrets of the government serve a completely different purpose than those of the citizens.

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Aceticon 7 points 3 years ago

Or so you are told by people unwilling to be under strict oversight from independent authorities.

"I do this for good reasons, trust me" is not a valid argument.

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Endward23 0 points 3 years ago

“I do this for good reasons, trust me” is not a valid argument.

Yes. The problem is, when one country has had a intelligence agency and the other has not, the one with the agency has a advantage. At least, under the same conditions.

I see the tension between a republican (res publica, "thing of the public") State and the existence of such secrets. The question is if a state without this could exist under the current circumstances. There are a lot room for doubts here, I fear.

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dangblingus 3 points 3 years ago

Is that justification for spying on civilians?

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Endward23 0 points 3 years ago

I never say that. Thats a straw man-argument.

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gregorum -25 points 3 years ago

False equivalence is false— but, sure, anything to make espionage seem OK

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ArcaneSlime 17 points 3 years ago

Seeing as this was posted in c/privacy, I believe the intent was rather to say "actually that whole 'nothing to hide nothing to fear' premise government espionage programs enjoy thrusting on their citizens is patently bullshit, and they know it, as despite saying it to you while spying on you they make it illegal to spy on them."

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gregorum -15 points 3 years ago

Using paranoia to justify a logical fallacy - and espionage - isn’t a very good argument.

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LWD 9 points 3 years ago
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gregorum -7 points 3 years ago

You’re the only one who mentioned Edward Snowden

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dangblingus 3 points 3 years ago

This post actually illustrates the opposite of your interpretation. Satire generally extrapolates on the actual real events with logical evolutions that demonstrate that the original premise was laughable at best, and at worst creates a double standard.

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