She’s a grifter. The democrat version of trump, no thanks.

And she’s got my vote! 👍

Nah, I think you're right. I think he's going to do some sick flips on his bike.

I don't know about that. I voted against my state's governor last time.

I'm sure the same party that repealed the right to abortion and is fighting for assault rifles in schools will campaign against a guy in a wheelchair.

I mean the opinions of the voting public are nearly always more complex than either Republican or Democratic party dogma. The problem is that there is no substantial way of politically engaging besides voting. I would argue actually that generally the public is way more left wing than it is given credit for, but a lot of people have no accessible ways to transform these ideas into action. And for this I don't have an easy answer. Disclaimer, am a leftist so I would obviously think this, but I do still think that we would see more diverse political ideas if our political systems were made to be more open.

Austerity and corporate deregulation, w0000000t!

Cough.....student loan debt....cough

They thought Hillary was unlikable, so instead let's let a corrupt fascist win.... brilliant!1!!

I'd like to think the American people have learned their lesson, but let's be honest, we never learn.

Through recession and boom, war and peace, pandemic and climate change, there is one constant in this modern world... Americans will never learn from their past.

she won the popular vote

That's like saying a team shot the most free-throws in a sport like basketball where the winner is the one who scored the most points. Or in football, having the most minutes of possession, but not scoring enough points.

The metric to winning is rather clear. Whether it is football, basketball or winning the White House.

You don't get enough people out there across the country to win the EC and you lose. Period. So yeah, it is indeed strictly true.

The dude you replied to isn't here to debate or exchange ideas. He's here to make sure you don't believe in the process and don't turn out to vote. It's the same strategy the right used in the run up to the 2016 and 2020 election. Vote out every scumsucking republican you have especially in the statehouse where the real power lies. Get everyone you know to get registered and get them to the voting booth.

That’s the biggest issue is getting them In mainstream. It’s decided the candidates they want to show us. They’ll take anyone who fights and label them as crazy and unhinged or outright unable to get things done. They want moderates or people like rfk jr who are actually batshit. So we get one extreme and one middle ground.

The dems know this as well, while the right can pick the absolute worst and extreme candidate and gain support. Like wtf

It's always tricky isn't it? There's some beliefs that even as a product of the times you'd reject. The founding fathers who wanted to maintain slavery can be abhorred for it even today. At the same time you have someone like Lincoln, who said at one point that freed slaves should be sent to Liberia. We would certainly call that racist today.

I don't think there's a perfect, universal way to look at this, but it's helpful to look at other contemporary beliefs. You had anti slavery advocates at the founding of the country, so it wasn't impossible. This is difficult to do though when you have something like the New Deal that disproportionately helped white people, and no alternative to compare against.

What we can say with certainty is that interning Japanese Americans was wrong, and FDR had strong worker policies in spite of not being racially equitable.

One thing I also wonder is, does it matter? Things have definitely improved for marginalized groups over time, but I can probably find texts from 2000 years ago that talk about discrimination over immutable traits being wrong. Discriminating as a head of state with presumably good access to information is equally wrong at any point in time.

The thing about discrimination is it isn't a passive act. You don't write a law that only applies to white people without explicitly excluding others. Hitler shook Owen's hand... HITLER for fucks sake. That guy that utterly hated jews and deplored non-aryans. FDR could have at least invited him in for a coffee.

Everything will be with the benefit of hindsight but the idea that turning away hundreds of thousands of Jews while you KNEW (had multiple intelligence reports and American news reporting the fact that jews were being put into concentration camps and murdered being reported for over 2 years by 1941.). He blocked jewish refugees from immigrating actively.

Segregation in the military was so insidious black servicemembers were pushed aside for NAZI POWs ....

Nazi POWs got to ride in first class in the front of the train. Nazis were getting treated better than Black veterans who had put their lives on the line. So that kind of pissed my dad off.

This sort of thing was not the output of a great man by todays standards, nor of someone who honors those who served and put their lives on the line. His discriminating behavior was continuous and not representative of what I would call a great man. If he had had a deathbed lament of his behavior maybe I'd reconsider, but he died knowing he was a great man, and that includes that behavior.

Are you judging him based on 2023 standards or the 1930s?

People in 1930 understood that racism and antisemitism was wrong. This "judge them by the standards of the day" is just an excuse.