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justtobbi 73 points 3 years ago

Well akshually, a polar bear and pinguin could never meet due to the fact that they life at opposite places ๐Ÿค“๐Ÿค“

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iesou 25 points 3 years ago

Thanks for being that guy so I didn't have to.

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ThatGuy 11 points 3 years ago

Youโ€™re welcome, but I did nothing

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laivindil 15 points 3 years ago

The zoo?

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Xeelee 8 points 3 years ago

Found the Arch user

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justtobbi 1 point 3 years ago

Nah, I dont use Arch. openSUSE Tumbleweed all the way

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Dnn 1 point 3 years ago
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fossilesque 63 points 3 years ago
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BoiLudens 25 points 3 years ago
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MirranCrusader 9 points 3 years ago

PopOS gaming was a shit show for me, steam wouldnโ€™t work and installing non free drivers borked my system like it was Ubuntu 12.04. I honestly donโ€™t have any idea what PopOS does that others donโ€™t for gaming, steam/wine/lutris/bottles are distribution agnostic. Iโ€™ve only ever heard people say PopOS for gaming but never seen anything showing why itโ€™s better.

Full disclosure this was a while ago and Iโ€™ve gone separate ways with Debian and derivatives for now.

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puppy 6 points 3 years ago

What are you using now?

What PopOS' did different was not any of the software you mentioned. It was proprietary NVIDIA drivers. They shipped them with the ISO and put it front and center.

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MirranCrusader 1 point 3 years ago

Iโ€™m onto fedora silverblue now since I like rpm-ostree. Iโ€™ve moved from laptop to desktop since then too, which could have colored my experience.

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redballooon 2 points 3 years ago

PopOS gaming was a shit show

Haha! PoopOS! Haha!

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dream_weasel 4 points 3 years ago

Sounds like something you might say if you hadn't used Arch to daily drive? I'm about to hop off Lemmy and play some ff7 remake which cost me exactly no effort to install. Maybe arch used to be hard, but I've yet to see it and I built from minimal install. Meta packages yo.

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bdonvr 2 points 3 years ago

It's really not that bad

But also, you're fine anyways. Use what you want

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DeflectedBullhorn 2 points 3 years ago

I mean, currently Iโ€™m having less trouble using Arch to game than I was with anything else. I think the big thing is that Aech has a rapid release of updates, and the Steamdeck is based on Arch.

If you want those benefits without a lot of the annoying complexity during setup, there is always EndeavorOS. Itโ€™s pretty close to a basic Arch install, but it holds your hand a lot more.

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fossilesque 2 points 3 years ago
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BroBot9000 1 point 3 years ago

Sounds exactly like what Iโ€™m looking for.

I have my old pc parts that I want to turn into a living room coop gaming system and have been looking for a linux version thatโ€™s minimal to run.

Have you encountered any issues like the other response?

Btw I have 0 experience with Linux and thought it would be a good project to get introduced.

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nbnsfw 1 point 3 years ago

I would suggest ubuntu for a 0 xp user, it just works. However popos is pretty easy to use as well.

My last ubuntu install it detected my 1660 and gave me an option for the proprietary drivers.

It is also easy to create bootable uses and try each one first using balena etcher or unetbootin.

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Crozekiel 6 points 3 years ago

That sucks man. There needs to be less division and derision in the Linux community. Not that there is a lot, but there is enough to drive some people away. It's not as easy as windows to daily drive Linux. It is SO MUCH better than it used to be, but it still isn't something you can just dump on a family member or friend and expect to not get calls about it.

And worse, it isn't the same for almost anyone. I've had good luck with Arch derivatives (Manjaro and Garuda), but I've got friends that tried running the exact same OS and build etc. on very similar hardware and can't get half the games working that I play regularly with minimal effort - even following the same steps I used with no issues. They install Ubuntu or Mint and suddenly it works fine... Happy it works, but none of us know why or what to do if something similar happens next time...

And somehow, it seems every problem any of us runs into are so bizarre (or we don't know enough "likely causes" to google specific and correct terminology) that it seems like no one on the internet has ever had it happen before. Thankfully it's been going great for me, but one of my friends is just having a rough time of it. :(

TL;DR - Thank you to all the actually helpful people in the Linux community that make this journey possible for the rest of us. To the people being dicks: if you have to swing down constantly to feel good, re-evaluate your life choices and leave us out of it.

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grue 44 points 3 years ago

Nah. Ubuntu is what you use after you've gone through your edgy youth distro-as-status-symbol phase and don't give a fuck anymore.

I haven't distro-hopped or even reinstalled my OS in half a decade or more.

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LonelyWendigo 4 points 3 years ago

Exactly. I mean I installed it once upon a time on my server because it was well supported and most hardware I had just worked. I cut my teeth on Linux by using Ubuntu, so I'm familiar with where I'm going to have trouble and how to troubleshoot it if I do. I can tear down and setup a new Ubuntu server over a weekend if I wanted to and transfer all my stuff, but not if I had to switch distros. I could do it, but I'd rather not spend the extra time. Maybe I'm lazy, but I'm no noob. At this point for me, hopping distros is just a matter of the devil you know vs. the devil you don't. I've got more important things to DO with my machine and life than spend it fucking with and constantly breaking/fixing my setup. So, from what I've heard about it, Arch is everything that is holding back Linux on the desktop and everything I don't want in an OS unless I'm getting paid by the hour.

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grue 4 points 3 years ago

The first Linux distro I ever tried was a copy of Turbolinux 6 I got from a Hamfest (I wasn't successful in installing it), I used Gentoo in college [embarrassingly large number redacted] years ago (along with Debian and OS X on other computers), and I tend to prefer Debian most of the time.

I didn't try Ubuntu until I'd already been using Linux for more than a decade, and the only reason it ended up on my main machine is simply that Debian didn't 100% "just work" on my hardware and I couldn't be bothered even trying to troubleshoot it, so I picked the next closest thing.

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WagnasT 32 points 3 years ago

Those kinds of people suck, the whole point of owning a thing is to enjoy it, if it makes you happy who gives a damn that us arch users will think less of you.

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croobat 15 points 3 years ago

As an arch user btw you got me in the first half ngl

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doppelgangmember 26 points 3 years ago

I like my Linux to work out of the box.

Yes ik I'm spoiled now

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kryllic 17 points 3 years ago

I suppose you want your audio drivers to work the first time too? The nerve of some people smh

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platysalty 7 points 3 years ago

Kids nowadays. Back in my day we had to fiddle with the code blind while we figured out the display drivers

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c0mbatbag3l 3 points 3 years ago

You mean you don't want to have to fuck around with wifi drivers for half an hour?

Casual. /s

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herr_hauptmann 18 points 3 years ago

Clearly you have never built Linux from source or installed slackware in floppy disks. Nooooooobs

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OhNoMoreLemmy 1 point 3 years ago

Honestly, I think installing a Linux distro from floppies is what made me appreciate Ubuntu so much.

I know that other distros also work out the box now, but I'm just really happy installing one and never needing to try anything else.

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gutter564 1 point 3 years ago

You noob, clearly you haven't coded your entire distro in machine language and assembly.

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rodneyck 17 points 3 years ago

Arch user, btw. Isn't Ubuntu going to an all-Snaps version? If so, shouldn't the polar bear be extra bloated?

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assa123 15 points 3 years ago

It's not bloat, it's for the extreme cold

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spaduf 16 points 3 years ago

Doesn't Ubuntu have a metric shit ton of legitimate problems these days? I thought people had mostly moved away from it as the go to distro

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cynetri 10 points 3 years ago

Yeah as far as I can tell, the current big user-friendly distros are either PopOS or Linux Mint because Ubuntu is doing the whole snap thing, and also Mint (maybe Pop too, i havent looked into that one much) is Ubuntu-based just without snap

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avidamoeba 4 points 3 years ago

Nope. You're just hearing the loud noises in some echo chambers. Us Ubuntu users don't have much to say because shit just works over here.

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spaduf 2 points 3 years ago

Are snaps hard to avoid?

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Rooty 1 point 3 years ago

Snaps have borked my device table, now lsblk lists every single fucking snap install. I will get a new SSD for my system partition, and I'll probably go with Debian. If I have to deliberately avoid an OS feature because the vendor has decided to shove it down my throat I will drop that OS like it's hot.

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avidamoeba 1 point 3 years ago

To avoid them entirely, yes. Ubuntu ships some of its core functionality via snap. That's how it was tested, and how it will be updated for the foreseeable future. Ripping that out puts you on an untested path that you're responsible for managing. To keep things working as designed and tested, and avoid breakage, I'd leave snap alone and pretend it doesn't exist, if I wanted to avoid it.

To avoid them for your personal needs, no they're not hard to avoid. Just don't install anything yourself via Snap. Use apt, Flatpak instead. Or any other means.

Personally I use a mix of Snap and Flatpak on top of Ubuntu LTS. That keeps the base OS boring stable and provides a way to keep user apps like GIMP, Inkscape and LibreOffice up to date, without the risk of breakage that comes with PPAs. Docker's great for running services as well as many other use cases too.

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ubluntu 3 points 3 years ago

To avoid them for your personal needs, no theyโ€™re not hard to avoid. Just donโ€™t install anything yourself via Snap. Use apt, Flatpak instead. Or any other means.

Not entirely accurate. Some apt packages like firefox and chromium just install the corresponding snap.

Snap has it's use cases, but it should not be a silent substitute for .debs

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old_ghost 16 points 3 years ago
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Clipper152 10 points 3 years ago

Tell me you're new to Linux without telling me you're new to Linux.

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tswerts 15 points 3 years ago

I'm an Ubuntu-user. My wife and myself have a Windows laptop from work and my kids also from school. Not to have to buy another laptop for personal use I made an Ubuntu-usb-stick to boot from any of these four available laptops. I'm not a power user. I need some office-apps, web-browser, ... . And gaming is done via Gforce-Now cloud gaming. If that makes me a noob ๐Ÿ™‚ I mostly don't have the time anymore to tinker with all this anymore. Been there, done that.

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blackfire 9 points 3 years ago

You're doing just fine. Use. The tools you want when you want.

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AnanasMarko 3 points 3 years ago

That's nice. Be sure to set appropriate flags to mount the USB (e.g. in fstab file) to prolong it's life span. The thumb drive could deteriorate rather quickly otherwise.

See: https://wiki.archlinux.org/...

Edit: typo

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tswerts 2 points 3 years ago

Reading the article, it seems like the configuration of the fstab-file needs to be done at creating the bootable usb-stick? Or can it also be modified afterwards?

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AnanasMarko 2 points 3 years ago

I should've been more specific, the content is hidden deeper in the wiki, you have to follow the links:

To do the tune-ups, the usb drive must be unmounted. But it might not be as relevant as I thought... the same wiki entry says, that if you do 10gb of write operations per day, the USB drive (whitout tune-ups) should last you 10 years. But you still might consider disable journaling as it will speed things up (less of those costly write operations). (See "3.5 Disabling journaling" on the second link).

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discomatic 12 points 3 years ago

I'm just learning Linux so I literally Googled the easiest version and installed Ubuntu. I can't even figure out folder permissions. I'm in over my head, but at least I'm also getting made fun of.

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fossilesque 8 points 3 years ago
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BeigeAgenda 6 points 3 years ago

You will learn, it just takes time, even those fanboys didn't know anything about chmod when they started, and some of them install Arch and end up running back to windows because they started on hard mode.

Just use the distro that fits your needs.

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platysalty 3 points 3 years ago

Dude, I've been messing with this stuff for a decade and permissions still get me sometimes. If something is breaking, always do a check on permissions. It's often the issue.

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BeardedGingerWonder 3 points 3 years ago

Just 777 it, then it always works

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xeekei 12 points 3 years ago

Why is the penguin passing a dildo over to the bear in the first pic?

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dangblingus 1 point 3 years ago

What happens when OP is a noob that uses MS Paint for memes instead of GIMP like a true linux chad.

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Graphine 9 points 3 years ago

I use Arch btw

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gonzo0815 9 points 3 years ago

Tried arch today. Didn't even get to installing it on the partition. Pacman just won't sync extra repo. No chance of letting reflector do it's thing. Nobody seemed to have the exact same problem before. Mostly found half- or unanswered threads from before 1876. Gave up after an hour and installed Ubuntu with about 2.5 clicks.

Fuck that penguin. I hope it was delicious.

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MaliciousKebab 2 points 3 years ago

Skill issue /s.

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BeardedGingerWonder 1 point 3 years ago

Rtfm

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JoelJ 7 points 3 years ago

I can't remember the details now, but I tried running Ubuntu on my desktop first but I had trouble with some software not running. Then I tried Arch, and it just worked ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

5 years now and it's still running fine. Any problems I have are fixed with a quick google, and maybe a copy and a paste lol

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denast 4 points 3 years ago

From what I understand, it usually boils down to user having some modern hardware which has drivers only in recent kernel versions. Since Ubuntu lags behind in Kernel versions, it can be that appropriate drivers for your hardware are simply not there.

For instance Asus-linux community dedicated to using Linux on modern (usually gaming) Asus laptops has a huge Ubuntu warning and recommends Fedora or Arch based distros.

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zephr_c 6 points 3 years ago

Are we still doing the old memes thing? Because that's the only reason I know of to use Ubuntu as the "normal" distro anymore. Nowadays they seem to resent still having a desktop distro. They really only care about server and IoT.

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EuroNutellaMan 6 points 3 years ago

I GET IT NOW

Climate change is all a plot by Arch Users to kill Ubuntu users

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platysalty 4 points 3 years ago

I might consider switching to Arch then. Getting pretty toasty outside

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minh2134 6 points 3 years ago

Im just here waiting for the inevitable reverse of this reverse meme. Real question, and maybe its just this extreme luck of mine: have anyone of you guys actually see a significant body of smugly Arch users put it in your face, because I havent seen one but i've seen this meme idea for the nth times now. Hiw is this any different from "I use Ubuntu btw"?

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UlrikHD 5 points 3 years ago

I've never seen anyone being smug about their distro, but I've also never seen a comment where somebody have said they use Ubuntu. Arch on the other hand is everywhere, meme or no meme.

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minh2134 1 point 3 years ago

Genuinely, I have only seen mentioning of Arch as the distro they use because they mentioned something arch-specific (e.g pacman) or its actually important to make a distinction (package name), and usually they anticipate the meme anyways because its the butt of the joke now. For me at least it isnt hard to find an equivalent ubuntu/fedora/suse comment, and I think its fine! But why are we fighting this ghost of "Arch is only for edgy guys that want to break their system and be smug about it on the Internet"?

Could also be im tired of seeing this meme everyday now... Linux has a lot more jokes than this guys... Just dig Linus Torvalds' mailing list for some ideas

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tsuica 5 points 3 years ago

I wonder how many production servers use Arch and how many use Ubuntu.

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Oliper202020 4 points 3 years ago

I use pop os, because last time i tried the arch iso just restarted after choosing if i wanted to install arch or do a ram test or what ever, and safe boot is off, i spent a whole day trying to get it to work but didn't

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possiblylinux127 2 points 3 years ago

Ubuntu is definitely not for new users

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Ddhuud 2 points 3 years ago

I do miss arch btw.

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Leadseason 2 points 3 years ago

That's a bit too grisly of a meme for me.

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beachcamp 1 point 3 years ago

How can I make Debian as much like Ubuntu as possible? :) arch, btw

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Captain_Ender 1 point 3 years ago

I dunno man, I kinda just figure people should think of it like using the best tool for a job. I use Linux for my home server because that's what it's best for. I used to use OSX for my production work because it used to be the best for that (Win pretty much the same now). And I use Win for gaming because that's what it's best for.

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janWilejan 1 point 3 years ago

I'd appreciate a content warning or marking your post as nsfw when you post gore. I did not want to see that last panel.

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WorkIsSlow 4 points 3 years ago

I'm not sure why your being down voted. I feel like that's a fair request.

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lonlazarus 1 point 3 years ago

Mostly because of happenstance I have my home server running Arch. I actually do love Arch for desktop, but with the cutting edge rolling updates I have to keep on my toes during updates, I wish it was running Ubuntu.

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whodoctor11 1 point 3 years ago
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Shardikprime 1 point 3 years ago

Bro I still remember having to install Redhat with endless floppy disks from popular mechanics, I fucking love L/Ubuntu

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riodoro1 0 points 3 years ago

Snap and apt are so much better than flatpak and pacman/aur anyway.

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Araozu 10 points 3 years ago

Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?

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angrymouse -1 points 3 years ago

I use arch endevour cause I AM noob, I cannot use a Debian like distros for 3 months without breaking it

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sandayle -5 points 3 years ago

I think Ubuntu users are jealous of us. ๐Ÿ˜œ

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thanks for using Leebra!

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