GitLab is reportedly up for sale
2 years ago by gatinho da piscina to c/programming
I can’t think of a single reason that wouldn’t happen.
There would be no other incentive for companies to buy it.
A company might want to extend it's service offering with a build pipeline/CICD system, and buying GitLab would get them the best-in-class service.
Microsoft bought GitHub for much of the same reasons, and GitHub didn't went to hell after the acquisition.
? Nothing about such private repo access listed there.
Every open source license grants permission for AI training, and GitHub copilot by default rejects completions that exactly match code from its training. You can’t pretend to be pro-open source or pro-free software but at the same time be upset that people are using licensed software within its license terms.
So many errors in what you've written aren't with the fact that one can INSTALL a copy of gitlab and get the CI/CD features, but actually with simple English.
I'm in the same boat. I migrated all my stuff to Gitlab the day it was announced that Github was being acquired by Microsoft. I hadn't even really heard of Codeberg at the time. So I migrated to Gitlab.
And it sounds now like there's a high likelikhood I'll need to move it all again.
I hadn’t even really heard of Codeberg at the time.
Codeberg is where I will be next. A nonprofit ownership created because they didn't like the commercialization of other providers that's getting more and more popular. Seems like they likely won't go down this rabbit hole.
Btw gitea has been involved in some shit, most of the Devs quit and created Forgejo. AFAIK you can seamlessly switch from gitea without needing to completely reset it.
Oh wow, I didn't know that! Is there any official statement? Search didn't turn up anything. I guess I don't necessarily need to know exactly how it went down, but I wanna be nosy. :D
I actually have an account on there with almost nothing, just my nix configuration, plus a repo I cloned to commit a bug fix on software I used. But it seemed like the most responsible solution as in the price is reasonable, plus I actually like the interface. Codeberg also looks good and claims to be better in some regards, but these are the only choices nowadays.
Anyhow, I'm still waiting for Pijul to have a final 1.0 release and independent hosting solutions to appear.
Same here. Gitlab CI was a game-changer for me, too. Any thoughts on where else you’d consider going? Aside from GitHub, that is.
It's funny because despite all the fearmongering about Microsoft's Github acquisition it feels like it only improved since then, while Gitlab has done a shitton of questionable and shitty decisions, a ton of critical security issues and in general feels like (at best) they don't know what they are doing.
The only thing Gitlab has going for itself is that it's self-hostable, but they still retain a large amount of control.
Time to federate repos?
I hope they get true federation up running soon.
It’s also what codeberg uses under the hood for those that don’t self host.
GitLab has been working on support for ActivityPub/ForgeFed federation as well, currently only implemented for releases though.
I think the benefits of federation is discoverability. I can spin up my gitea or forgejo (or something else!) Instance, but when people look for code in their instances, they can still discover my public repositories, and if they want to contribute, they can fork and open PRs from their instances.
So yeah, it means mostly you can selfhost and provide space to others, but with the same benefits that right now github offers (I.e., everything is there).
No, it means people can contribute issues and pull requests to projects on other servers. Repositories would only be created on the server your account is on if I'm not mistaken. I believe it uses activitypub internally, so should work the same as Lemmy/mastodon.
Maybe you would be able to disable other users from creating repos.
The chances of a deal are said to be weeks away, if not non-existent.
What kind of non-sentence is that?
Big if true and big.
Seems like a perfectly cromulent English sentence to me.
Looked up "cromulent" in the dictionary. Wasn't disappointed!!
It means when the author was waiting for his order at Popeyes, the guy in front who did small talk with him introduced himself as a Gitlab employee and told the author "Gitlab might sell in weeks. It is a deal or no deal"
I literally made an account the day before and transferred from GitHub, then wake up and see this. FFS just my luck.
Wait, this is YOUR fault?!! 😋
Does Codeberg have anything like Gitlab CI, or does it need to be paired with other build tools like Jenkins, TeamCity, etc?
Yes, but you need to manually request it and there are a handful of things that need to be true. See here for them all: https://codeberg.org/...
In summary, it needs to be a public repo with FOSS code and the README must match the project's intended goal.
You should all incorporate and buy it.
I feel like sourcehut really ought to be mentioned more. It federates issue and PRs by email and has a wonderful interface while not having any ads—which is why hosting one's own repo (and their CI and IRC but nothing else) requires $2 a month, unfortunately.
I don't think it makes any sense to mention source hut because none of the features you mentioned are killer features (or relevant. Why should I care about implementation details of feature tracking?) and it completely fails to address GitLab's main value proposition: it's CICD system.
Anyone can put up any ticketing system. They are a dime a dozen. Some version control systems even ship with their own. CICD is a whole different ballgame. It's very hard to put together a CICD system that's easy to manage and has a great developer experience. Not even GitHub managed to pull that off. GitLab is perhaps the only one who pulled this off. A yams file with a dozen or so lines is all it takes to get a pipeline that builds, tests, and delivers packages, and it's easy to read and understand what happens. On top of that, it's trivial to add your own task runners hosted anywhere in the world, in any way you'd like. GitLab basically solved this problem. That's why people use it.
I use gitlab ci mainly and dabble in github actions. Can you clarify how “Not even Github managed to pull that off”? IIRC, actions is quite featureful and it’s open-source, so I assume that can be run with self-hosted runners as well.
Yep, at my previous job I moved a pretty complex build system from Jenkins to github actions. It worked fine and was much simpler to maintain.
And yes there are ways to run github actions on your own machine, but I haven't tried it.
Can you clarify how “Not even Github managed to pull that off”?
GitHub actions has an atrocious user experience, to the point that even a year or so ago people where doubting it was production-ready.
Sure, you can put together a pipeline. But I challenge anyone to try it out with GitHub actions and then just try to do the same with GitLab or even CircleCI or Travis.
The fact that people compare GitHub Actions go Jenkins of all things is everything anyone needs to know about it's user experience.
Since forever. It's very slow, I'm still not sure replying is actually in the spec or email clients fake it with Re: and then force you to quote the entire history of the conversation back and forth. Also very easy to break if you don't like the Re: or something. People are constantly replying to the wrong person or persons, sometimes even to themselves. You have weirdly named fields "cc" and "bcc" that are present all the even though I use them like 4x and 1x a year, respectively. You can't unsend or delete emails.
And all this is before I get into doing git or calendars over email.
Email is in fact one of the reasons I'm not sure I want the fediverse to succeed right now, because then all the faults of activitypub will be forced on us for centuries, like they are with email.
FYI you can self-host GitLab, for example in a Docker container.
Coincidentally, this is what git is short for.
Source: "git" can mean anything, depending on your mood.
It's the worst example, but it's an example, sure.
https://forgejo.org/ here's a little better example, though you did a great job doing some proposal, gotta love those who do at least some initiative
Gitlab is very complex and a heavy resource hog. You probably don't need it. Most small to medium enterprises can comfortably host their projects on lightweight forgejo or gitea (speaking from experience). They even have functionality similar to github actions. If you need anything more complex, you are better off integrating another self hosted external service to the mix.
In my experience the other alternatives tend to lack solid CI integration. I have yet to find an open source alternative as good as Gitlab's.
GitLab still doesn't even support leaving comments on a commit message. Like, what? GitLab and GitHub have all these fancy shiny features but still suck at offering basic code review functionality.
I never understood the appeal.
I mean, I get it, but that's also not a thing of git, right? Just because GitHub does something doesn't mean every other hosting provider needs to. If your code review process is to comment upon specific commits, maybe it's the code review process that's wrong?
Git kinda has it? Have you seen git notes? https://git-scm.com/docs/git-notes
GitHub doesn't let you comment on the commit message either. The only one I've seen do this properly this is Gerrit. And of course regular old mailing list reviews.
There are so many blogs and posts about writing good commit messages, using Conventional Commits, etc, and the two most popular forges don't even let you comment in-line on the commit message during a review.
You can leave comments on a commit message. What do you mean exactly?
You can not highlight text in a commit message and leave an in-line comment in the same way you can for code changes in the diff.
Edit: https://gitlab.com/...
Ohhhhh you can't comment on a specific line of a commit message. I see. I mean... yeah I guess not. That seems like a super niche feature though. How long are your commit messages? I've never even tried to do that. Commit messages are short enough you can pretty much just write a normal message not tied to a specific line.
There are waaaaay bigger issues with Gitlab. Here's one I ran into recently, you can't search for pipelines. It's got a search box and everything but you literally can't search; only filter. So stupid.
I actually just went to take a look at Gitlab issues I have commented on to see what my worst ones are. Guess what.... you can't even search for issues you have commented on!!!
Still, overall it's the best self-hostable option out there at the moment IMO. I guess Forgejo (truly abysmal name) may overtake it at some point.
Ive been meaning to move to codeberg, self hosted forgejo, or sourcehut so this will only accelerate that if things get worse.
I just flipped my home git to forgejo from gitlab, gitlab just had a bunch of features I wasn't using, forgejo was easy to setup and it has a nice interface. I'm just using it for source control right now, still probably huge overkill but eh
The only "downside" about Codeberg is that (for the most part) you're only allowed to host projects that as FOSS or projects you intend to make FOSS. (Stuff like personal notes and config files are fine too.)
Love me some codeberg.
Here is the one where I decided to never trust their code: https://arstechnica.com/...
As if that isn't bad enough, I am pretty sure they have had other incidents.
I used to host a Gitlab instance at work. It was dog slow so I started digging into it and discovered they had a serious memory leak in some of their "unicorns," aka Ruby tasks. Instead of fixing the source of the leak they tacked on a "unicorn killer" that periodically killed tasks. The tasks were supposed to be atomic anyway, so this is technically fine (and maybe a good thing in the long run for correctness a la Netflix's Chaos Monkey) but I found myself kind of disgusted by the solution. I dropped it and went for a much sparser Git repo web server.
lmao! Man that's hilarious!
"We have a memory leak that could lead to a security issue.We should do something about it."
"I made a process that periodically kills those tasks. No one will notice the problem now."
The unicorn killer will have a memory leak as well. 💀
That's disappointing. They are pretty consistently choosing the wrong thing. I don't think they know what they're doing.
Unicorn killer does sound great for testing. If they wrote tests around anything I'd be surprised, though. LOL.
If you don't need all the user management and whatever else it definitely doesn't make sense to run their junk.
Elon has entered the chat....how many labs of this git kind can you make for him within 3 months? Can git be somehow monetized?
Could be! But that doesn't excuse a massive security failure like sending password reset emails to attacker-supplied addresses. I am pretty sure they have had other large failures.
They are writing code with zero/negative regard for security and that makes me want to use any alternative FOSS git host.
Fuck. No other source forge supports groups or orgs with hierarchical projects 🫤 Gitea and Forgejo went hard on being github clones, so they're off the list. Are there any other alternatives? I don't want to have to bash together scripts to make something...
I looked into it after this year's massive price hike... There's no meaningful alternative. We're on the FOSS version of GitLab now (GitLab-CE), but the lack of code ownership / multiple reviewers / etc. is a real pain and poses problems with accountability.
Honestly there are not that many features in Gitlab EE that are truly necessary for a corporate environment, so a GitLab-CE fork may be able to set itself apart by providing those. To me there are two hurdles:
- Legal uncertainties (do we need a clean room implementation to make sure Gitlab Inc doesn't sue for re-implementing the EE-only features into a Gitlab fork?)
- The enormous complexity of the GitLab codebase will make any fork, to put it mildly, a major PITA to maintain. 2,264 people work for GitLab FFS (with hundreds in dev/ops), it's indecent.
Honestly I think I'd be happy if forgejo supported gitlab-runner, that seems like a much more reasonable ask given the clean interface between runner and server. Maybe I should experiment with that...
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I would like to say I'm not too concerned by this personally, as long as all their data remains public to all.
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