Woman suing Texas over abortion ban vomits on the stand in emotional reaction during dramatic hearing

3 years ago by MicroWave to c/news

Three plaintiffs testified about the trauma they experienced carrying nonviable pregnancies.

Spacebar 242 points 3 years ago

Horrible laws written mostly by men against women. Men who will never and have never been affected by what they are prohibiting.

It's so gross and infuriating.

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LadyAutumn 73 points 3 years ago

Even if it did affect them through someone they knew, the people writing the laws can afford to circumvent them. Make no mistake, these people do get abortions banned or not.

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lolcatnip 25 points 3 years ago

This is NOT a men vs. women issue. It's a conservatives vs. sane people issue. Joe Biden didn't take away abortion access and Amy Coney Barrett did.

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starlinguk 1 point 3 years ago

It's an us vs the patriarchy problem. Which doesn't mean the same as men vs women.

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80085 3 points 3 years ago

I kinda disagree. Patriarchal laws and social norms hurt men as well. In this case, I'm sure the men in her life were negatively affected (not to the same degree of course).

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CalvinCopyright 1 point 3 years ago

Don't tell me what to do.

Specifically, laws written by straight, white, Republican men, for the sole purpose of gaining power over everyone who's not straight, and everyone who's not white, and everyone who's not Republican, and everyone who's not male... no matter how cruel the effects of the laws are. This is the actual Republican platform. In the pursuit of the 'right' people telling the 'wrong' people what to do, and in the pursuit of keeping the 'wrong' people from telling the 'right' people what to do, anything goes. Hypocrisy, lies, crime, election fraud, subverting courts, coups, false patriotism, false piety, terrorism, even outright murder... anything goes.

Know the enemy, spread the word to your friends and family (and maybe further).

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shalva97 -1 points 3 years ago

Just another Monday

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ZombieTheZombieCat 18 points 3 years ago

Even though you're right, I think this sentiment minimizes the horrific things the American christian right is doing.

I keep seeing multiple variations of this comment on every single lemmy post about christian conservatives. Idk if it's like an astroturfing thing or what, but it normalizes these kind of fascist acts. We should be shocked. We should be surprised and outraged and insulted. The minute we're not is when it becomes normal. And we know that's dangerous af because we're already watching it happen.

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HardlightCereal 2 points 3 years ago

I read a story about an AI that was designed to save the world by telling humans what to do. The AI's sentience was powered by taking in human souls. One of the AI's moral directives was to feel empathy for any person it hurt. Since it was an AI designed to run the world, it would have to feel bad for hurting everyone in the world who ever died of a preventable cause. All the world's pain and suffering, experienced by a single being possessing many souls.

So the AI came up with the solution that it would force the souls of sinners it took in to feel this agony, and that's how it would remain ethical.

It invented hell.

Because a scientist told it that it ought to feel bad when people are hurt.

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afraid_of_zombies 1 point 3 years ago

Cute idea for a story but the evidence isn't there that belief in hell makes people moral. Societies that have higher hell belief show higher crimes rates compared to ones with lower ones. Plus there are a few religions that dont have a real hell.

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jerkface -5 points 3 years ago

Have you SEEN an anti-abortion rally? LOTS of women.

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BettyWhiteInHD 16 points 3 years ago
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LifeInMultipleChoice 16 points 3 years ago

https://news.gallup.com/...

41% of women identify as pro life according to that, and 47% of men. Much higher that I would have hoped. Either way hard to say that is all men.

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BettyWhiteInHD 6 points 3 years ago
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starlinguk 1 point 3 years ago

A lot of "pro life" women often turn out to be "I wouldn't have an abortion" women. I've talked to plenty who turned out to actually be pro choice.

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afraid_of_zombies 0 points 3 years ago

The average age in the US is near 40. There are as much women between 20-24 as there are between 60-64. When it comes down to it only about 15% of the population can get pregnant without medical science. If anything the numbers should be much more pro-forced birth, but they aren't because empathy.

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DeadDjembe 15 points 3 years ago

Men are the ones making the laws. And they have no idea about the biology. Take the politician from Ohio for example, who suggested that an ectopic pregnancy should be reimplanted into the uterus.

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CaptionAdam 1 point 3 years ago

As a man I find the biology interesting to learn. I'm pretty sure e topic is due to the womb not forming correctly is it not? I'm probably wrong, but atleast I know that its impossible to save an ectopic pregnancy

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Shou 1 point 3 years ago

Not quite, but a good guess anyway. Ectopic pregnancies can happen to anyone.

The uterine (fallopian) tubes are not homolog to the vas deferens. They are actually extensions from the uterus. They are not sealed to the ovaries and simply open up in the abdomonal cavity. They have tentacle like potrusions which try to grab onto eggs released by the ovary. When they fail at their job, the egg ends up somewhere in the abdomonal cavity.

Transplantation is impossible for multiple reasons. One has to do with the placenta not forming inside either. You'd have to sever the supply and expect it to heal before a fetus dies. Another has to do with surgery on pregnant women should be avoided as much as possible. Then there is also the problen of fitting a fetus into the uterus. Imagine trying to fit a frail balloon inside a smaller tougher balloon. Surgery like this could result in the fetus simply not making it through alive. If it did, it could also mess up its own signaling and result in a miscarriage.

Even if all that were possible. The risk to the mother's health would make it not worth it. Surgical intervention would damage the surrounding tissues. Imagine leaving a fresh suture on a uterus that needs to expand massively within weeks to months.

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CalvinCopyright 1 point 3 years ago

Don't tell me what to do.

This is the actual Republican platform. They don't care about if they're right about biology. They care about getting power, full stop. In the pursuit of the 'right' people telling the 'wrong' people what to do, and in the pursuit of keeping the 'wrong' people from telling the 'right' people what to do, anything goes. Hypocrisy, lies, crime, election fraud, subverting courts, coups, false patriotism, false piety, terrorism, even outright murder... anything goes.

Know the enemy, spread the word to your friends and family (and maybe further).

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Shardikprime -26 points 3 years ago

You say men as in like about 4 billion people are huddling in a room all evil like crunching up laws to make women's lives worst which is certainly not the case.

Also kind of a moot point as the same minority of "men" as you say creating laws, also create laws that don't benefit men in general at all.

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BettyWhiteInHD 13 points 3 years ago
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DeadDjembe 4 points 3 years ago

apologies, you are correct, it is not all men. I forgot to qualify it, it is white christian men who push their religion onto the rest of society. And I say this as a white male raised christian.

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CaptionAdam 2 points 3 years ago

I dont disagree but they create laws that fuck everyone over men, women, trans, cis, straight, Queer. It doesn't matter, but the current ones are focused on controls over women, and their bodys

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CalvinCopyright 0 points 3 years ago

Don't tell me what to do.

They're not evil per se, it's just that they're after power, and they don't care if they do evil things to get power... which, to a lot of people, means they're evil. And yes, this is the actual Republican platform - straight white Christian men getting power over people who aren't straight and white and Christian and male. In the pursuit of the 'right' people telling the 'wrong' people what to do, and in the pursuit of keeping the 'wrong' people from telling the 'right' people what to do, anything goes. Hypocrisy, lies, crime, election fraud, subverting courts, coups, false patriotism, false piety, terrorism, even outright murder... anything goes.

Know the enemy, spread the word to your friends and family (and maybe further).

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MicroWave 233 points 3 years ago
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Oderus 25 points 3 years ago

3 people downvoted facts? Fuck them.

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poplargrove 1 point 3 years ago
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PrincessLeiasCat 171 points 3 years ago

Ashley Brandt, a Dallas resident, said she was pregnant with twins but learned one had a fatal condition called acrania. The longer she carried it, the more it jeopardized the survival of her other twin.

oh my god....

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FattestMattest 106 points 3 years ago

I don't think you can be any more "pro life" than putting 2 other healthy people at risk to save the life of a baby that's going to die.

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journey01 65 points 3 years ago

Don't forget many "pro lifers" are in the same demographic as pro death penalty.

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Naz 31 points 3 years ago

We're actually running out of spots in hell for hardworking Christians at this point. We're having to quadruple and octople stack souls together and it's a bit alarming. I've been having to repeat a ton of times to the incredulous that feeling like you're doing the right thing and doing the right thing, [aren't the same thing].

They seem genuinely shocked and confused, which leaves me feeling leery if they're actually idiots or evil. Hanlon's Razor says to always assume ignorance before malice.

You guys gotta do something or all your old people are gonna end up cooking.

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HardlightCereal -4 points 3 years ago

You would not believe how many "leftists" I've told to stop using slurs or misgendering me, only to be told "but I didn't meeeeeean it, so I don't need to apologise"

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afraid_of_zombies 4 points 3 years ago

Yeah that never made sense. I am prochoice and hate the death penalty. It should only be used when the crime is such that you legit can not put it in the same category as regular murder and a message has to be sent. Like when some dictator commits genocide. That's it. It has to be so extreme that the regular justice system doesn't have a clue what to even do about it.

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ConfirmingMoose 17 points 3 years ago

especially if it is a fetus and not a baby

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Techpriest 100 points 3 years ago
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threadloose 8 points 3 years ago

Condolences to your friend and their family. That's heartbreaking. I hope they're doing as well as can be expected.

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HiddenLayer5 90 points 3 years ago

And the far right are going to claim she's faking it like the disgusting people they are.

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rarely 51 points 3 years ago

The thing the right fears most is the truth.

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ProximaC 29 points 3 years ago

They fear not being in control. Whether it's control over others bodies or control over religion and government, or the fear of being a minority racial group, the one thing in common is they have to be the ones allowed to tell everyone else how to live.

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CalvinCopyright 2 points 3 years ago

Don't tell me what to do.

Did you read this? You comment makes me think you have. No one seems to be mentioning this despite how eminently reasonable it seems to be. Have you been sharing this link? I have been. I wish more people could read this.

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ProximaC 1 point 3 years ago

I hadn't. Tanks for linking it!

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alsimoneau 7 points 3 years ago

My understanding of it (based on discussions with my mom) is that they don't fear the truth, they fear being wrong, because if they are wrong they then don't have an answer anymore and it is deeply uncomfortable.

The issue with this is that if you never acknowledge that you may be wrong, you can never learn.

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rarely 4 points 3 years ago

They've been wrong for a very long time. They are still waiting for trickle down economic (reaganomics) to work. Its been decades and nothing close to trickle down has ever come to fruition.

Non-americans: trickle down is the idea that when we boost the profit of CEOs that money will "trickle down" to everyone else at the company. A laughable idea that has and will never work.

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Arsenal4ever 4 points 3 years ago

As the party of tax cuts for rich people, with 3 of the last 4 GOP presidents proudly cutting taxes for rich people, it has been interesting to watch the evolution of Trickle-down as the framing for these tax cuts.

Even when it was clear the money would only trickle down to yachts, the W tax cuts (biggest ever) were seen as helping main street by increasing investment. This is trickle down, without saying it.

By Trump's tax cuts, he was just saying I cut taxes. He didn't dance around phrases, he just said tax cuts for everyone and of course they weren't, but with about 18 other lies that day, people can't keep up.

The next GOP president will cut taxes for rich people. It is the only thing you can count on.

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CalvinCopyright 2 points 3 years ago

Don't tell me what to do.

This is the actual Republican platform. The only thing they want, is to have authority over everyone, and for no one to have authority over them. We are the ones who fear being wrong. Republicans, on the other hand, won't lose a wink of sleep if lying gets them in power. In the pursuit of the 'right' people telling the 'wrong' people what to do, and in the pursuit of keeping the 'wrong' people from telling the 'right' people what to do, anything goes. Hypocrisy, lies, crime, election fraud, subverting courts, coups, false patriotism, false piety, terrorism, even outright murder... anything goes.

Know the enemy, spread the word to your friends and family (and maybe further).

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KpntAutismus 1 point 3 years ago

something i recently learned is: you can change your opinion, this literally changed my life. if you feel your opinion is wrong, don't stick to it. stick to facts and science.

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alsimoneau 2 points 3 years ago

Yes, that is the whole point of the scientific method: you can only prove that something is wrong. It's can be uncomfortable to realise that all our foundations could be destroyed at any time, but it is the only logical position one can hold.

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Mdotaut801 7 points 3 years ago
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rarely 8 points 3 years ago

Sure I guess my point is they fear the truth so much that they invented their own form of the truth.

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Crazypartypony 4 points 3 years ago

'Alternative facts'

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Mdotaut801 3 points 3 years ago
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Riccosuave 5 points 3 years ago

I would argue that the VAST majority of the people pushing these ideologies do not believe the things they profess to believe and that they are pushing their followers to subscribe to. It is rank tribalism with the only goal being money & power for themselves at the expense of anyone that they deem to be a threat. It really is a zero sum game.

There are the useful idiots that I would classify as the true believers, but their beliefs have often times been coopted either due to poor education or coercive indoctrination of assorted varieties (like religion for example).

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CalvinCopyright 1 point 3 years ago

Don't tell me what to do.

This is the actual Republican platform. It's absolutely about getting control, not about any particular ideology. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's why Republicans try their culture war junk, because WE care about ideologies, and it divides us. In the pursuit of the 'right' people telling the 'wrong' people what to do, and in the pursuit of keeping the 'wrong' people from telling the 'right' people what to do, anything goes. Hypocrisy, lies, crime, election fraud, subverting courts, coups, false patriotism, false piety, terrorism, even outright murder... anything goes.

Know the enemy, spread the word to your friends and family (and maybe further).

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afraid_of_zombies 4 points 3 years ago

Which is why they are god believers

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rarely 1 point 3 years ago

Which makes sense because god is a made up concept used by the rich and powerful to control peasants.

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MyOpinion 82 points 3 years ago

I am surprised these Texas savages did not lock her up.

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Matt_Shatt 31 points 3 years ago

Texas will soon be banning women from vomiting in public. That’ll solve that issue.

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Mishmash2000 74 points 3 years ago

These types of laws are sick and barbaric and not indicitive of a civilised society! These woman should not have to revisit their trauma but they are fucking made to by a sick group of degenerates who make laws that the majority simply don't want!

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FlashMobOfOne 70 points 3 years ago

The cruelty of it is the point.

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ArcticCircleSystem 7 points 3 years ago

But what's the point of the cruelty? ~Cherri

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FlickOfTheBean 17 points 3 years ago

Power flex, mostly

(Totally unrelated, but I keep seeing you around and I'm curious about why you sign your name. Is your account shared? Feel free to ignore if you don't want to answer Im just curious)

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HardlightCereal 13 points 3 years ago

TL;DR for anyone else in the thread: multiple people share an account and sign who's typing at the moment. The reason they share an account is that they share a brain.

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ArcticCircleSystem 8 points 3 years ago path: 0 1525175 1534034 1535387 1537411, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 4
WarmSoda 4 points 3 years ago

Is this your communication system? That's clever.

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FlickOfTheBean 4 points 3 years ago

Ohh I see! I appreciate you answering when you didn't have to! See you around! :)

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Arielcorn 3 points 3 years ago

Thank you. One of my best friends has DID. I appreciate the info lots.

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fugepe 8 points 3 years ago

disgusting

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Lenins2ndCat 5 points 3 years ago

Was the video not in the article? I skimmed and watched that top one but saw it nowhere?

Does anyone have it? Depending on how the person comes across in the moment it occurred the shock impact of these events is often useful at getting through to people.

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NewsAutoMod 3 points 3 years ago
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Cabrio 9 points 3 years ago

Have the mods clarified how to handle articles with content that is disingenuously or incorrectly represented in the title? I've asked before and still haven't received any response.

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NewsAutoMod 3 points 3 years ago
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Cabrio 1 point 3 years ago

Thank you for your service.

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MostlyBirds -23 points 3 years ago

Any doctor who complies with this ban is a worthless piece of shit. Not as bad as the subhumans who wrote it and voted for it, but pretty fucking close.

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MasterObee 73 points 3 years ago

"Physicians who violate Texas’s abortion laws can lose their medical licenses, face up to 99 years in prison or incur fines of at least $100,000, according to the Center for Reproductive Rights"

You wouldn't have to deal with any decision as hard as this. How can you say a doctor is complicit? They're likely just doing their best then a law gets put in place threatening life in prison.

Unless you're put in that position, you have no room to say that shit.

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GentlemanLoser -13 points 3 years ago

Do no harm

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Aliendelarge 9 points 3 years ago

How is that applicable to this particular discussion?

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GentlemanLoser -13 points 3 years ago

It's the first fucking line of their oath

Take the risk and provide the help or move to a state that allows you to help. Going along with the fascists isn't the answer.

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MostlyBirds -16 points 3 years ago

If a doctor is willing to stand there with their thumb up their asshole while their patient dies an easily preventable death, they're a failure as a doctor and as a human being. At best, it's negligent manslaughter.

If you're too much of a cowardly little rat to stand up against fascism to save a life, don't be a fucking doctor; quit and go work at Taco Bell you belong.

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Fedizen 22 points 3 years ago

A doctor that throws away a career of helping people to make a political point once is probably not helping as many people as a doctor that avoids going to jail.

I understand the impulse here but the reality is that texas legislators would probably prefer to reduce the number of doctors available to the poors.

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I_Has_A_Hat 19 points 3 years ago

Yea! Why don't they all just line up to lose their medical licenses? That way they can't help anyone!

Shortsighted dumbass...

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MostlyBirds -15 points 3 years ago

Must be nice living in your sheltered little bubble where the deaths are abstract and doing the right thing when lives are at stake is the wrong thing to do.

You're a morally bankrupt scumbag. People like you are the reason fascists win.

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Infinity187 13 points 3 years ago

Now your knocking Taco Bell employees??? They are just trying to make a living like everyone else.....

Not making a good case for yourself.

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CmdrShepard 5 points 3 years ago

Once all these doctors fall on their swords, who'll be left to treat the rest of us?

I understand your sentiment, but it's misdirected.

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Gorilladrums -113 points 3 years ago
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Ibaudia 79 points 3 years ago

She wasn't a protestor, she vomited while recounting being forced to carry a miscarriage and nearly dying as a result. She was just one of 3 who had similar stories who testified. Texas republicans are moving to dismiss their concerns. Not really a "both sides" situation.

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MostlyBirds 73 points 3 years ago

On one hand, these “protestors” are mostly unhinged nutjobs.

This is the dumbest thing I've read all week.

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Gorilladrums -61 points 3 years ago
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MostlyBirds 21 points 3 years ago

Sure.

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corsicanguppy 51 points 3 years ago

I guess I’ll side with

...body autonomy, and against female slavery. That's what you meant to say. Right?

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Gorilladrums -55 points 3 years ago

female slavery

Exaggerations like this end up hurting your cause rather than helping it. It shows that you need hyperbole to make your points, which just delegitimizes them. If you just stated things as they are, more people would appreciate your honesty and would be willing to consider your arguments. Banning abortion is authoritarian, harms women, and the bans don't actually reduce abortion rates per the research. That's all you need to say to have most people support you.

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LadyAutumn 54 points 3 years ago

What else would you call women in this scenario? You're literally worth less than a non-sentient proto-fetal clump. Even if that clump is going to kill you. Its like giving cancer the right to live and banning any attempts to remove it.

They're literally forcing women to die. The intended effect isn't to ban abortion, its part of a concentrated effort from far right christian white nationalists to reduce women to an enforced subservient breeding class. Have you ever paid attention to the rest of the shit these people say? They say loud and clear what they want all the time. They want to take away divorce rights, they want gender roles to become legally enforced in particular with regards to clothing and expression, they oppose women in politics and in the work force, they pathologically shame and degrade women based on perceived promiscuity or perceived lack thereof.

This isn't a matter of just having people oppose abortion bans. If it was, we wouldn't be here. If majority public opinion was what mattered, roe v wade would never have been overturned to begin with. Abortion bans are extremely unpopular even with many conservative voters. If you're poor, you're just fucked. You have no recourse whatsoever and a lot of people with complicated pregnancies will just die. If you can't afford the cost of relocating yourself out of a red state then you have nothing. You have no alternative but to try an unsafe method in what is probably going to be a non-clinical setting. And even if you succeed and live you can be tossed in jail for having made a Google search and one family member who calls the police. These are laws meant to kill women. They are meant to cause widespread fear and suffering for women and girls. Legally women and girls are not equal to men, not in bodily autonomy or in health care or in human rights. These laws aren't simply harming women, they're murdering them.

And honest to God if someone is dissuaded from being pro women's rights because they feel that a random person online has made an "exaggeration", and so choose to instead support laws that murder women - then they're a misogynist already in league with the fascists pushing these laws. You're an enemy of women if for absolutely any reason you support a law that's primary aim is to literally end women's lives. Its time to stop dabbling in bullshit, the people who write the laws aren't stupid they are 100% aware of what these laws do. They are aware of how it forces minors who have been r*d to carry pregnancies they are likely to die from. They know, the laws are written specifically so that will happen. There's no ambiguity, there's no exaggeration, these are laws written and created with the specific express intent to cause grievous bodily harm to, and outright murder, women.

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MasterObee -64 points 3 years ago

What else would you call women in this scenario? You’re literally worth less than a non-sentient proto-fetal clump

Worth an equal amount as another human life, you mean?

You perverting the other sides argument doesn't make you or your argument better, just makes you come off as stupid and lacking any understanding of the issue as a whole.

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jerkface 23 points 3 years ago

This is the state treating women as property. People are not comfortable with the word "slavery" and won't even use it to describe the "forced labour" in Xinjiang. I think that's fuck up and due to America's influence. There's nothing wrong with calling this slavery.

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MasterObee -62 points 3 years ago

You'll get downvoted because Lemmy appears as left wing as reddit, but it's true.

Y'all saying that all we want is to control women and enslave them is bullshit, they know our concern is about the life in the womans stomach, but always try to strawman that shit like we're just heartless woman haters.

As a conservative, why would I ever want to discuss and come to the table to discuss hard issues like these, when I just get called shit like I see in this thread. And people thinking I'm a literal nazi for considering the life of the baby?

Then they have the audacity to ask why we're so divided in this nation.

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Kiky 35 points 3 years ago

Unfortunately, it is very hard to believe that you are concerned first and foremost with a human life and not with controlling women. And that is because conservatives are usually vocal in their opposition to abortion, but you rarely (almost never?) hear them being as vocal in their support for low-income families with children. In other words, it seems as if you only pretend to care about the unborn life, but once it is born, you don't care anymore. So how could anyone believe that this is all about life in general and not just about control?

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ChunkMcHorkle 27 points 3 years ago

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Maajmaaj 23 points 3 years ago
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Shikadi 22 points 3 years ago

Okay this argument is hypocritical AF. If this was about the fetus not the women, you wouldn't support an outright ban. Twins are being killed because of you. Children are being forced to carry because of you. Women are dying because of you. In some cases you are forcing women against their will to attempt to save a lump of cells that is already dead. If the government forced you to risk your life for an unborn child that wasn't attached to you, you would flip shit. If the government forced men to take responsibility for an unborn fetus in any way, you would flip shit.

You don’t respect the autonomy or rights of a woman if you believe in forcing decisions on them about their body, hard stop. There is no wiggle room for you to argue that the fetus matters, because you wouldn’t apply that to any other situation in life. Stop acting like it’s the moral choice when it’s literally forcing woman to risk their lives against their will. Those women are already alive, why don’t their rights and lives matter to you?

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zahel 21 points 3 years ago

How is it a straw man? Regardless of what your “intended concern” is the result is control over a woman’s body autonomy. How can you not see that reality?

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hotdaniel 7 points 3 years ago

I'm happy to explain to you why you're wrong to be anti-choice. Don't pretend like conservatives don't love to shit talk about liberals. I've seen it too. If you have something you want to talk about, then talk. Don't ask me to feel sorry, unless you're going to feel sorry for me, first.

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lolcatnip 3 points 3 years ago

As a conservative, why would I ever want to discuss and come to the table to discuss hard issues like these

Why would we want you to? Nobody's changing their mind. And frankly I've seen conservatives engage in bad faith arguments so many times I no longer consider honest discussions a possibility.

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mayo 24 points 3 years ago

The women in the court? Not sure who you're referring to or maybe I'm missing some information here. I thought they were women who became pregnant, were denied abortions, went through some heinous shit, and are suing the state in protest of a law that most people already don't agree with. Kind of missing the 'nutjob' part of your thoughts..

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MicroWave 21 points 3 years ago
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Gorilladrums -49 points 3 years ago

I know, American politics is so littered partisan hacks that anything that doesn't align with liberal or conservative propaganda seems odd.

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CaptFeather 11 points 3 years ago

How are these women unhinged nut jobs?

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MicroWave 0 points 3 years ago
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