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TWeaK 73 points 2 years ago

The IBA is funded by Gazprom, and only disqualified Khelif after she defeated a Russian boxer.

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rhombus 9 points 2 years ago

A Russian boxer whose “perfect” record was ended by the loss. By disqualifying Khelif after the fact they invalidated the bout to protect the Russian’s record.

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HauntedBucket 56 points 2 years ago path: 0 11563203, hotness: undefined, score: 56, children: 6
some_guy 16 points 2 years ago

Holy fucking shit.

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teamevil 19 points 2 years ago
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Corkyskog 10 points 2 years ago

While she was provided with alcohol

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teamevil 3 points 2 years ago
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some_guy 3 points 2 years ago

I only read about four or five paragraphs. This just blew my mind again. Holy shit. Fuck this guy.

I read about and heard about (podcast and RSS news from the same site) a pastor who claimed the same (the victim was an adult): she enjoyed it because she didn't resist. Awful people.

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teamevil 3 points 2 years ago
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SteveFromMySpace 32 points 2 years ago
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sudneo 2 points 2 years ago

She is not trans. At most what I read is that she is somewhat in the intersex spectrum. (This is at leas what newspapers were reporting a few days ago)

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rhombus 4 points 2 years ago

That’s what the IBA claims, but it seems they did it so the Russian boxer she defeated would still have a “perfect” record by invalidating their match. They made the same claim against the Taiwanese boxer who is a double world champion (I can’t find the reasoning for it though). There is no credibility to the claims that either are anything but cis woman.

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sudneo 0 points 2 years ago

No, I read it from many newspapers and commentators that were defending her, if that matters. It is also something somewhat compatible with the initial claim of the IBA (having XY chromosomes), but of course nothing is certain at the moment.

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rhombus 1 point 2 years ago

They were reporting on the IBAs claim that she had XY chromosomes, which, as stated, has absolutely no credibility. They won’t reveal what test they did or how they arrived at those results. When all evidence suggests they made shit up to disqualify her it’s both disingenuous and cruel to give the claims any credence whatsoever.

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SteveFromMySpace 1 point 2 years ago
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BeautifulMind 14 points 2 years ago

Ehhhhhhh. 😒

For the 'but sport has to be fair' people, stop. Sport will never be fair, there are always people with better genetics, and with better access to training and equipment and the time to devote to developing their potential, bla bla bla.
The people trying to lawyer about who is or isn't a woman here aren't here to make sport fair, they're using the fact you'd like sport to be fair as a way to get you to support their demand to be able to reduce sport into a thing they can pick winners with by disqualifying people on arbitrary standards they get to invent.

I mean, the people that have been insisting 'you're a woman if you were born with those parts' are now insisting 'you're not a woman if I feel like you're not a woman'. Your takeaway here is that the pretexts will continue to change in order to get or keep your support, the underlying thrust is they want to discriminate against people that don't fit in to their ideas of what being a woman should mean.

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MediaBiasFactChecker -4 points 2 years ago path: 0 11561453, hotness: undefined, score: -4, children: 0
ArbitraryValue -19 points 2 years ago

I understand that the allegations are not very specific, but does the IOC do its own testing which would conclusively disprove them? I've seen a lot of discussion about the credibility of the accusers (low) and the ethics of transgender participation in sports, but all that discussion would be moot if these boxers are in fact biologically female with no abnormalities.

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iAmTheTot 44 points 2 years ago

The IOC does have its own eligibility requirements and does its own testing. The IOC does not test for "gender".

The boxer is not trans. How do I know this? She's from fucking Algeria, she'd be dead if she was trans, not in the Olympics representing the country.

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Brunbrun6766 11 points 2 years ago

They don't test her gender fluid??

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ArbitraryValue -14 points 2 years ago

They might still have some sort of intersex condition like Caster Semenya's.

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girlfreddy 22 points 2 years ago

Who, btw, should never have lost her chance to stay in competition. Her testosterone levels are no more an advantage than Michael Phelps height, wingspan, hand/feet size and his body producing less lactic acid which shortens his recovery time.

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ArbitraryValue -16 points 2 years ago

Being a champion athlete requires both determination and innate physical advantages. This is in some sense unfair to people who try as hard as the champions do but, through no fault of their own, lack the champions' physical advantages. Therefore you can argue that since there aren't things like basketball leagues for short people, there shouldn't be separate competitions for men and women either. This is ultimately a matter of opinion, but I expect that you will have a hard time convincing the public. There are separate competitions, and while that's the case, it makes no sense to allow a person with the specific set of innate physical advantages that men have over women to compete in the women's competition. The whole point of having a women's competition is to prevent that.

Caster Semenya is entirely unexceptional by the standards of male runners. For example, she won first place in the Women's 800 metres race at the 2009 World Championships with a time of 1:58.66, which would have gotten her 47th place (out of 48) in the men's heats. She would therefore not even run in the semifinals. The winner of the men's race had a time of 1:45.29, more than ten seconds less than hers. I don't see the appeal of watching her win only because she is allowed to compete against women with much lower levels of testosterone than she has.

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growsomethinggood 13 points 2 years ago

*She. Please don't misgender her, it plays right into these transphobes' hands of questioning her gender.

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ArbitraryValue -4 points 2 years ago

I'm not saying "they" to avoid specifying gender. I'm saying "they" because there are two boxers involved in this controversy.

The IBA said Khelif and fellow boxer Lin Yu-ting of Taiwan had failed “to meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors.”

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