69% of Americans support the Supreme Court's Bruen decision that "protects an individual’s right to carry a handgun for self-defense outside the home"

2 years ago by theyoyomaster to c/guns

doingthestuff 16 points 2 years ago

Yes we do. I know guns are unpopular here, but Democrats could never lose another election again if they'd give up on trying to disarm the public.

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sxan 15 points 2 years ago

That's bullpucky. Trump is not pro-2A, and the bump-stock extension was passed under his administration. As with most things, his position is vague, but mostly catering to monied special interests, as evidenced by how his administration approached 3D printing (the gun industry can't make money if people can print their own guns at home). In any case, he's certainly not been a vocal 2A defendant, it doesn't come up in his rhetorical rants, and his record while in office was wishy-washy at best. This hasn't made a single iota of difference to his base.

2A is a key issue for many people, but it's specious to claim it's the issue that's deciding a large number of flippable votes. NRA symbols are usually stuck next to a Confederate flag sticker, and that tells you all you need to know about that topic.

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FireTower 18 points 2 years ago

2A single issue voters arent necessarily voting for Republicans more so against Democrats running on a platforms of gun control, at least with presidential elections.

And it's not just about flipping votes by driving turn out. A stance like Harris had of AW ban via executive order would ensure those single issue voters show up and vote for the opposition.

I agree with the comment above on strategy. I don't think pro gun control voters are going to ditch Team Blue over it either. It's definitely a flaw with the two party system, but what are they going to do vote Republican?

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HelixDab2 2 points 2 years ago

The essential problem I see is that a large number of Dems that vote in primaries are anti-gun; they are not interested in preventing violence and suicide, they want to ban guns. If Dems not only dropped gun control, but embraced 2A rights (while presumably attempting to address gun violence and suicide rates in more productive/effective ways), they would hemorrhage those anti-gun voters. At the same time, it's unlikely that they would be able to pick up pro-2A single-issue voters, because the Democratic party has such a long history of attempting to ban guns and enact strict gun control that those voters wouldn't believe it.

It would take multiple election cycles for Dems to break that belief, and you couldn't have any Dems breaking ranks in that time. All it would take is one Beto "dumbfuck" O'Rourke (seriously, who says they want to ban guns while running for governor in Texas, unless they're intentionally in the tank for Republicans?) to undo any progress they might make.

To be entirely clear, the people that are anti-gun will not accept any level of gun violence as being acceptable. It doesn't matter that the US has more guns per capita now than it ever has at any point in history, and that violent crime is at the lowest level in 40 years; it's all about the feels to them.

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jimrob4 11 points 2 years ago

He says he is and that’s all that matters to his supporters.

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sxan 8 points 2 years ago

Fair. He says he's a religious person, and he's not that either, but Fundamentalists eat that shit up.

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SupraMario 7 points 2 years ago

You're literally stating that gun owners are usually racist white males...the fuck? There are way more gun owners now than ever and the diversity is no longer the minority.

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pixeltree 10 points 2 years ago

I don't think that's what they mean, they mean that the people who are super hardcore gun rights people would never vote democrat regardless of the democrats stance on gun rights, because in addition to being super hardcore gun rights people, they're super hardcore anti-all-other-rights people, also known as republicans. Certainly not all of them, no absolutes etc, but the vast majority. People who own guns != gun nuts.

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jimrob4 5 points 2 years ago

Super-hardcore “I should be able to buy full-auto rifles at Walmart” guy here - also a registered Democrat.

Democrats are iffy on guns, but the GOP sucks on every single other issue of freedom for working-class people.

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SupraMario 2 points 2 years ago

I'm hard core pro2a and will be voting blue this year. I'm a no regulation guy who wants our politicians to fix our society via social safety nets and reform vs prohibition style legislation...there is a lot more of us now than ever

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dream_weasel 1 point 2 years ago

The people that heavily support the NRA and die on the 2A single issue hill usually fit the description.

Lots of people own and enjoy guns but not everyone makes it a pillar of their identity.

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dream_weasel 0 points 2 years ago

How many of your guns have the scary democrats taken?

"Disarm" is a pretty disingenuous choice of word.

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Maalus 11 points 2 years ago

Plenty actually. Passing gun control laws because of how a gun looks for instance

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ikidd 9 points 2 years ago

As a Canadian: I'm so fucking tired of this. There's no consistency in how firearms get banned except "feels". The only consistency is that legal gun owners get blamed for illegal gun activities and lose something else every year.

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dream_weasel -9 points 2 years ago

I remember when all scary black guns were banned and joe Biden came into my house with Barack and emptied out my gun case. There was not and has never been a US recall or forced return or anything of the like.

It's a scary bedtime story.

That said, if there WERE a call to buyback scary black guns and if in any way made schools safer, for instance, I would happily sell mine back.

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potatopotato 8 points 2 years ago
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shalafi 2 points 2 years ago

Other liberals screaming for an AR-15 ban after Uvalde is exactly what prompted me to buy one.

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YeetPics 0 points 2 years ago

What a strong and complex individual who definitely isn't a sheep at all. Take that libs.

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dream_weasel 1 point 2 years ago

A very sane take on the issue. Thanks for writing it up.

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ArcaneSlime 6 points 2 years ago

If they get their way, only 2/7 of my guns would be legal (the revolver and the 1953 lever action), so that would take 5 of mine personally. You are in denial if you think I'm going for that.

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dream_weasel 1 point 2 years ago

Idk I just think to myself:

Do I like my guns? Yes. Do I want to sell them? No.

Do I value having all of the guns that I want MORE than I want affordable healthcare with price caps for insulin and women having choices in their reproductive health? More than public options with regulations for my my utilities? More than I value equality under the law for everyone, and not having the bible shoved up my ass in a way that friends my friends can't get married or my sister can't adopt?

No. I don't.

It would suck if they were illegal and you had to sell, but no one is coming to knock on your door and take them, so surrender or move or whatever would be up to you. Not all democrats want Chicago style gun control.

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ArcaneSlime 2 points 2 years ago

Nice whataboutism but we're talking about gun control in this thread.

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YeetPics 5 points 2 years ago

Literally all the guns. I used to live in a converted .50 cal and the damn Democrats took it all. Now I'm homeless.

Just kidding. I love watching insecure troglodytes tweak over a fake threat to their only means of defense; metal slugs moving at 1300'/second.

All jokes aside I own several firearms. If you cling to guns as a special facet of your personality you are a weak and failed individual. You deserve the mental anguish over your perceived persecution.

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dream_weasel 1 point 2 years ago

I can even understand guns being an issue that weighs on your mind when you vote. It has crossed my mind. The thing for me though is my gun case holds tools. I don't need to choose tools over the lives, healthcare/support, or equality under the law of other people.

That to me is bonkers.

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the_toast_is_gone 1 point 2 years ago

Kamala Harris is on record saying she wants mandatory buybacks - that is, mandatory confiscations. So chances are, if she becomes president, we'll see her pushing for it.

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bostonbananarama 13 points 2 years ago

I agree with the right, but Bruen was a trainwreck of a decision. Historical perspective is an absolutely ridiculous basis for determining the outer limits of the right.

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theyoyomaster 13 points 2 years ago

Yeah, the issue was it was a direct response to courts deliberately ignoring all other precedents to purposefully deny the right. If you can't apply scrutiny due to your own personal biases you lose scrutiny.

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bostonbananarama 1 point 2 years ago

That's not really true though. There were very few SCOTUS precedents on the 2A, really just Cruikshank and Presser until recently. Heller really changed it all in 2008, being the first court to find an individual right. And the 2A didn't get incorporated until 2010 in McDonald.

The issue is that bad precedent is begging to be overturned. I can't imagine Bruen standing for a long time without being overturned or distinguished by a subsequent case.

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recapitated -3 points 2 years ago

Nice

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