Author Joel Williamson shared Elvis kept a group of three 14-year-old girls with him on the tour who were up "for pillow fights, tickling, kissing and cuddling when he was 22.
Was Elvis Presley a groomer and pedo? if so why was he so loved and not persecuted and prosecuted?
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Cryophilia 16 points 2 years ago
People wrote songs about it. Famous songs that you know the words to. People knew, they just didn't care.
aodhsishaj 49 points 2 years ago
The sad truth is that it was a very common practice. Just wait until they hear about Jerry Lee Lewis.
TexasDrunk 40 points 2 years ago
And the Grateful Dead (sure Bob, you waited while she slept outside your room every night for 3 years), Chuck Berry, Jimmy Page, Led Zeppelin, and about a hundred other groups. Hell, Kiss had the Christine Sixteen song, Jethro Tull had Aqualung, Seventeen by Winger, Into the Night by Benny Mardones, and a bunch of other songs have super uncomfortable lyrics about girls.
That's not even getting into well known shit bags like Nugent.
MummifiedClient5000 62 points 2 years ago
Jethro Tull doesn't romanticize Aqualung (the old man that sits on a park bench and eyes little girls with bad intents). Quite the contrary actually.
TexasDrunk 27 points 2 years ago
That's a really good point. I'm leaving it for now so your reply makes sense but I'll remove it next time I make that list (which happens too often).
aodhsishaj 6 points 2 years ago
Yuuuuuup it's a long line of assholes in rock and roll.
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Thebeardedsinglemalt 2 points 2 years ago
Just ask Steven Tyler
I_Has_A_Hat 3 points 2 years ago
At least one of the fathers openly endorsed it. I don't think fathers cared as much about it as you think.
actionjbone 87 points 2 years ago
As disgusting as we see it now, keep in mind that, back then, child marriage was not only condoned but sometimes encouraged in those parts of the Southern U.S.
We'll never know if he did it because he had a thing for young girls, or if he did it simply because it was an accepted practice.
Regardless of why, it's objectively terrible that he did that.
BlameThePeacock 38 points 2 years ago
Canada only changed the age of consent from 14 to 16 last decade.
jol 14 points 2 years ago
Age of consent is not the same as age an adult is allowed to be with a minor. Minors should be allowed to consent to have sex, just not with much older people. Laws that prosecute, say, a 19 year old from having sex with a 17 years old, or god forbid two 14 years olds to have sex together, are absolutely draconian.
BlameThePeacock 51 points 2 years ago
Actually, that's exactly what age of consent is. The age at which you're allowed to do things with an adult of any age.
Romeo and Juliet (or close in age) exceptions are for the situation you're describing, and are usually tacked onto age of consent laws as an exception.
In Canada, there's a pair of these. At 14 and 15 it's less than 5 years older, and at 12 and 13 it's less than 2 years older.
Cryophilia 10 points 2 years ago
Fun fact: there's no such thing as objective morality. Back in the 1920s people thought it was objectively terrible for Black people to have equal rights.
actionjbone 7 points 2 years ago
I said it was objectively terrible, I didn't mention morals. :)
Harming people is terrible, whether or not social morality supports it.
Cryophilia 5 points 2 years ago
It wasn't seen as harmful back then.
actionjbone 6 points 2 years ago
No, but it was harmful.
I'm talking about the objective harm of encouraging underage girls to avoid study and live their lives in the service of older men. There is nothing good that can be said about such a thing. It's basically indentured servitude.
PhlubbaDubba 71 points 2 years ago
Because his fame comes from an era when that kind of age gap and inappropriate conduct was handwaved away with "fRoM a GoOd FaMiLy!"
Especially in his native southern US. Especially especially among the white folks in his native southern US.
MedicPigBabySaver 20 points 2 years ago
Don't forget "Sweet Caroline" about an 11 y/o Caroline Kennedy. Fucking creep.
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darkpanda 13 points 2 years ago
Might you be thinking of “Sweet Little Sixteen” by Chuck Berry? The guy who btw installed cameras in women’s bathrooms?
Also, the most venerated boomer band of all time…
“She was just 17… if you know what I mean “
Love the Beatles, mind you, but uhhhh… all of those boomer bands were like that.
“I used to pull your pigtails And your scrunched up nose But baby you been growing And baby it’s been showing From your head down to your toes”
Another Elvis hit, “Little Sister.”
Again, love the King, but uhhh….
Dark_Arc 4 points 2 years ago
Might you be thinking of “Sweet Little Sixteen” by Chuck Berry? The guy who btw installed cameras in women’s bathrooms?
Ah yes, that's the one (oops).
Love the Beatles, mind you, but uhhhh… all of those boomer bands were like that.
Yeah, I like several Chuck Berry songs but ... definitely a different take. Those songs would not fly today on the radio.
brygphilomena 4 points 2 years ago
For "She was just 17" Paul McCartney was only 21 when that song came out and was dating a 17 year old then. Might have written it when he was 20 and the age of consent in Britain in that time was 16. That's only 3 or 4 years age difference. I don't get weird vibes from that. The Beatles were young when they started.
Neil Sedaka's "Happy Birthday Sweet Sixteen" is one that gives me the strangest vibes.
darkpanda -1 points 2 years ago
Yeah, I mean it’s in the context of the time,‘I never had a problem with that per se. It’s more that some folks took it out of that context and were not quite as situationally aware I guess you could say.
Then there’s the cases of folks like Jerry Lee Lewis marring his 13 year old cousin, Elvis marrying a 14 year old, etc.
jordanlund 40 points 2 years ago
Wait until you find out about Jerry Lee Lewis...
NeoNachtwaechter 35 points 2 years ago
Wait until you find out about The Prophet Mohammed
Bonesince1997 22 points 2 years ago
So I can better understand, could you draw me a picture?
NeoNachtwaechter 24 points 2 years ago
Sure, if it helps you:
Diplomjodler3 17 points 2 years ago
Wait until you find out about Donald Trump.
bradorsomething 3 points 2 years ago
I think he’s still under 10 of them, yeah.
Edit: oh wait, age not number, my bad
yesman 7 points 2 years ago
While some want to litigate what Mohamed did in the 15^th^ century, child marriage is still legal in most of the US and is still practiced (illegally) all throughout Europe.
I post this because I'm sick of people who think that Muslims have something to teach the West about persecution, degeneracy, theocracy, violence, and bigotry when we've been the world leaders of all forms of lechery for like 4 centuries.
NeoNachtwaechter 4 points 2 years ago
what Mohamed did in the 15th century
There wasn't much he could be doing when he had been dead for 800 years already.
Decay, you know? :)
All your other stuff smells the same btw...
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NeoNachtwaechter 5 points 2 years ago
Go to the restaurant at the end of the universe and wait for the show there.
BackOnMyBS 2 points 2 years ago
That's one of the few scenes from a book that I regularly think about, and I read that soooo long ago
mctoasterson 17 points 2 years ago
Wait til you read about Gandhis sleeping habits in his old age.
ultrahamster64 4 points 2 years ago
Oh no...
vorlaut_boy 38 points 2 years ago
Snoop was a pimp. Now everybody loves him. Weird.
Anticorp 40 points 2 years ago
And stood trial for a murder, which he was definitely present at. Everyone's forgotten that Snoop is an actual OG who ran with bangers. His PR with Martha Stewart completely changed his image, and now he'll put his name and face on anything that will pay him enough money.
tetranomos 2 points 2 years ago
seems more important that people wanted him to, even if he didn't, as what a settlement might imply.
vorlaut_boy 1 point 2 years ago
so you think exploiting grown-ups is ok?
vorlaut_boy 3 points 2 years ago
So you think every grown-up has the capacity to defend themself?
Like, you're grown up now - if you get exploited or abused it's your own fault because you are not a kid anymore? got it.
lemmyviking 12 points 2 years ago
Not that I condone any of this, but consider that the cultural disgust of marrying a girl under the age of 18 is a more recent and modern taboo. Back then, in rural United States, it wasn't an issue at all. Heck as a Gen X kid whose parents were from the Silent Generation, my mother married her first husband when she was 16 and he was 22. She never thought it was an issue other than she regretted marrying anyone at the age. But her parents, church, and teachers didn't think it was a problem.
It's hard to believe because most people might say Elvis lived in modern society but he's not. The 20th century was full of changes that we don't really think about.
psion1369 4 points 2 years ago
I agree with you on that. And the changes still are going on. I remember in school in the 90's it wasn't uncommon for a college guy to date a high school girl with no real repercussion. Not saying that it was right back then, just looked at differently.
weariedfae 2 points 2 years ago
It was gross back then too. In the 90s the Coasties would trawl the junior high girls. 25 year old men "dating" 13 year olds. We all knew it was gross as fuck and not okay but small town cops didn't give a fuck. Hell there was a deputy "dating" a 16 year old too.
It wasn't looked at differently in the 90s.
A guy in my class knocked up a 14 year old during senior year and we basically all stopped talking to him because fucking ew, dude.
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Thebeardedsinglemalt 6 points 2 years ago
Cris Collinsworth openly admitted to it
Thebeardedsinglemalt 5 points 2 years ago
Plus it was easier to cover up back then.
Noel_Skum -1 points 2 years ago
Uh… no. Baby raping has always been frowned upon as far as I’m concerned. 14 year old consensual (to the extent a 14 year old can be) groupies were a thing, in the not too distant past, but social mores have changed since then. Which is good. There’s an enormous difference between the two though.
sailingbythelee 8 points 2 years ago
I think you may be wrong. Wikipedia tells me that:
"In 1880, the ages of consent were set at 10 or 12 in most states, with the exception of Delaware where it was 7."
Noel_Skum 1 point 2 years ago
Delaware is whack, but historically age 12-15 was a reasonable (for the time) age for girls to marry. Most biblical scholars say that Mary (JC’s mother) was about 15/16 when she popped him out (assuming there is some historical fact in the story) so those ages in your country weren’t completely crazy outliers. People grew up quicker back then because people died sooner back then. Just getting to the age of 12 was an accomplishment in its self. The past was a different place. If humanity makes it a few more generations then some of the things we accept and do now will be seen as unacceptable. We are all products, to a greater or lesser degree, of the time we live in and that shapes how we see the world as it is and as it has been.
Melvin_Ferd 2 points 2 years ago
I think it was that people weren't seen as victims. They weren't seen as helpless
DerisionConsulting 24 points 2 years ago
Yes, Priscilla was 14.
RememberTheApollo_ 22 points 2 years ago
Plenty of famous people were scumbags. Violent, racist, misogynist, beat up women, cheated, etc. From John Wayne to Frank Sinatra, they were awful human beings but people worship them.
snausagesinablanket 4 points 2 years ago
Jerry Lee Lewis married a 13 year old.
sailingbythelee 8 points 2 years ago
Yeah, but she was his cousin so...
BruceTwarzen 17 points 2 years ago
Because he was famous, white and in america.
Boomkop3 12 points 2 years ago
This, but also rape and other abuse was tolerated for some reason back then.
There is also a bit of a gender disparity for who is getting help now. Women can get help a lot more easy than men, and aren't as likely to be dismissed when they come forward.
Lets keep pushing in the right direction
ShinkanTrain 9 points 2 years ago
Well he managed to sell rock music to white people so we can look past that
aodhsishaj 2 points 2 years ago
Oh hey, you dripped this
/s
ThrowawayPermanente 10 points 2 years ago
The /s has no drip, none at all
aodhsishaj 3 points 2 years ago
I was literally going to edit the comment to take care of the phone typo but now.... it stays.
nikaaa -4 points 2 years ago
I don't like saying it because people get very emotional and unreasonable about this but:
These things were normal a long time ago. It's only been in recent years, especially starting from the 1960s, that moral panic took over and these things are looked at now as "a crime".
JackbyDev 8 points 2 years ago
I think they meant people's reaction to the idea that the past could've had a different view on it that we view as disgusting rather than implying it's "emotional and unreasonable" to view criminalized pedophilia as a "moral panic", but I'm not a telepath. That was just my reading of it.
Cryophilia 6 points 2 years ago
"Was" means past tense.
Also, fuck your condescension.
Cryophilia 4 points 2 years ago
Not currently. But it used to be fairly common, is the point.
wheeldawg -6 points 2 years ago
I absolutely hate (not dislike) that "huah" vocal noise that's commonly associated with him and think any human making that noise needs to be taken out immediately.
I've never heard anything about any of this but I absolutely hate him and any contract he made on society simply as a product of the horror of that noise.
I exaggerate for humor, clearly, but I really do absolutely hate that noise and do not give it a single shred of artistic respect at all, it's flatly and out-of-hand declined any consideration for credit at all and people that like him as an artist I will literally completely discount any of their artistic opinions.
I have the same artistic hate for Elvis that I have political and personal hate for Trump.
I don't even have a way to know exactly what it is but just hearing his voice immediately sends me into a blinding rage. It's not to my knowledge some kinda trauma type of memory associated with it, because I was only exposed to enough of it to just recognize the voice. There are just a few things I know of that make me that angry that quickly. One of them is having to backtrack. Like realizing you forgot a critical grocery and having to go back to the store immediately, or forgetting to bring that one super important thing to work and you have to go back for it before going in. That part multiplies with any kind of time pressure.
But Elvis hits me in the same kind of spot. A randomly specific and very reactive trigger. Well I say reactive but I just end up telling at myself and increasing blood pressure for a few minutes. I don't literally go into a fugue state and start dropping people.
All that just to say that with me he is absolutely NOT loved and the little bit I heard about some kind of drama with the Graceland estate makes me laugh myself silly because screw those people, the whole lot of them. Do fans of Elvis even care a little bit about any of the family careers? It doesn't seem so to me, but I'm not an expert.
WeirdGoesPro 9 points 2 years ago
You sound …huah, all shook up.
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