10 year old girl clearly was in a right wing terrorist group.

This is what Israelis actually believe

In an episode of Two Nice Jewish Boys, which aired three weeks ago, host Weinstein said: “If you gave me a button to just erase Gaza, every single living being in Gaza would no longer be living tomorrow. I would press it in a second.”

He claimed that “most Israelis” would do the same.

Meningher added that they would also want to wipe out Palestinians in “the territories.”

“Because that’s the reality we live in, it’s us or them, and it has to be them,” Weinstein said.

He added that Israelis want “full-scale war.”

Distributing bombs to terrorists is about as exact as you can get. It's not on Israel if a terrorist lets their kids play with their tools.

Israel could have leveled a block in Lebanon like they do in Gaza, but they didn't.

Fat electrician had a great video on this.

Soo accurate that if the target is in a car you need to know what seat.

I really don't get it. Other than the "WAOW" factor, this certainly can't have been a good use of resources for Israel.

I guess I should have qualified that to exclude individual assassinations, otherwise you'd have to include snipers and whatever. I almost don't believe that "knife missile" is real (quotation marks because the only real knife missiles are Culture technology).

The advantage is huge. 1000s of militants are now seriously injured and are no longer battle ready. Many will never be again. Massive success for Israel, and one of the most precision strikes ever used. Now there will be fear from any communication devise exploding, there will be 1000s of man hours wasted taking other stuff apart to check it, and morale will be down as well.

How did something that only killed 10 targets injure thousands, especially when you are considering explosives.

I don't think I could injure 1000s of civilians with only 10 targets killed with an explosive hidden on their person if I tried.

They injured thousands of their targets, killed a few, and only got very little collateral damage

Nasrallah would shit down his prophet's throat to get this kind of outcome

Booby trapping objects associated with daily civilian use is a war crime

These pagers were distributed to doctors and nurses, so I would also argue that they were booby trapping medical supplies, which are protected.

That includes people who are members of your enemy’s military.

No, members of an enemy's military are combatants regardless of whether they're holding a gun or in a firefight at the time. The only exception is personnel such as chaplains and medics.

It is a war crime to intentionally attack non-combatants.

That is absolutely not true. An easy example to disprove your argument would be the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941. The American Navy was caught completely by surprise. At the end of the war, there were some Japanese tried for war crimes, but not for the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor.

That would make every crime a war crime going back thousands of years where they would lay siege on villages until the citizens starved

...and you know which telephone numbers send data to the pager and at which time. That is sufficient to track or identify individuals.

If this is a supply chain attack, the attacker already knows, which pagers are part of the organization they want to target.

What this thread here shows really well, is that the general population vastly underestimates the abilities of intelligence agencies and technology in general.

Maybe the guys shooting rockets at Israel?

Don't play dumber than you are.

I think I explained how the children were not par for the course this time, actually. Rage jerk away, but I thought I'd inject some factuality while it's still uncool.

If you actually care about being taken seriously, being factually correct helps.

By any normal standard. By the standards of recent Israeli military assaults, this was a damn miracle.

I'm going to guess she was very close to her father when the bomb went off. According to reports, a message (phone number?) was sent to all of the intercepted Hezbollah pagers at 3pm local time (IIRC), after a couple of seconds, the bomb went off. So a likely scenario is the father had the girl on his lap, the pager starts buzzing/ringing, dad reaches into his pocket and pulls out the pager to read the message. Proximity to the pager killed the girl while only injuring dad since he has a much greater body mass. Or, perhaps the pager was laying on a table and the girl picked it up? It's sad, either way.

From what I have read elsewhere, batteries don't explode. They can heat up and catch fire, but not explode. From what I have read online, a small amount of explosives were added to the pagers plus a very small detonator.

I don't care about hizbollah. I care about the civilians who didn't choose to be with a hizbollah fighter in the same place. Israel did the plan knowing really well that civilians and members of the fighter families would die.

Not a ton is known, by from what I understand the explosives were part of a secondary board added to the pagers, which would also have the ability to listen for a separate signal or look for a specific one the pager received.

This wasn't an interception. The devices were designed and manufactured by Israeli intelligence. They just licensed out brandnames through shell companies, and convinced Hezbollah to buy models from their agents by conventional spycraft.

I believe they triggers a cell in the LIPO batteries to overheat causing the explosive material to explode.

May have been done at the source of the manufacturing.

Replace battery with battery/explosive/receiver combo.

If they can plant explosives they can 100% tap into the circuit or maybe reprogram the board. The CIA is known to be able to do this to specific devices by plucking them from the mail. Mossad could likely do their own production run and ship that to Hezbollah.

you really might not.

before there were mobile phones there was analog dtmf wired telephones. they replaced pulse dialing and allowed for all kinds of additional signalling and triggering. ring a bell, operate a relay, kick people off so you could call the president, entire automated analog switching centers, you name it.

when mobile networks came on the scene there were all sorts of additional triggers but because the (second gen? the ones that could do sms) signals were actually digital, there was a much wider array of possibilities. dtmf had a handful of frequencies it supported and if you wanted to do something more you had to basically make sure the entire network you were using could send, transport and receive those frequencies.

now imagine instead of sixteen combinations of frequencies played at the same time you have access to thousands of possible triggers. once you have simple stuff like the basic receiving of text and lighting a led or playing one of several legally distinct jingles covered, you could do do much more. and people did. there were all kinds of things pagers could do through combinations of local interface and digital communication with a cell tower, all mediated through a handful of baseband chips on the pager pcb that could have the pins for stuff they wouldn't be used for disconnected.

but how would you make a pager set off an explosive?

well, the same way you use a casio f91w wristwatch to. you use its built in functionality (the speaker when the alarm goes off) to trigger a battery that can deliver enough electricity into a resistor to heat it up enough to make your (primary) explosive detonate.

in the case of a pager, those baseband chips have all kinds of on and off switching built in. it's not hard to imagine that basic, out of the box functionality would include pulling a pin high when it gets "*97" or some such. now tie that pin to the base of a transistor across the positive and negative terminals of the battery and sitting against a little petn and you got yourself a remotely triggered explosive.

you wouldn't even need a pcb.

there's probably a lot of stuff thats incorrect in this reply. it's late and this is off the dome.

If they can intercept the message where it isn't encrypted, they can simply sniff the messages coming on the page and wait for their signal.

Then, they can trigger the explosive to a specific message.

That's a wild guess though.

You really believe this is is how it would play out? Astounding...

Lol, if there was an anti-anybody militia that sometimes acted against other states within the US. The US would raid their complex, set it on fire, and shoot people trying to escape.

Then, the government would blame the children and other non-combatants' deaths on the militia. The public then will watch documentaries made on the subject over dinner.

Pager bombs aimed at extremists are not an American concern. Even if there was a level of non-combatant causilities. If anything, it's a fun news blip of the week and will be forgotten in less than a month.

I was a little surprised I didn't see an 88 in his username

Lots of people said openly "we'd rather not have it at all". The bot gets downvoted every thread with comments criticizing it. It doesn't need to exist and is openly harmful.

I understand someone put a lot of work into it, but it simply doesn't work for what it needs to do. Unless you want to be spreading misinformation, then it works perfectly.

LOL this is the hilarious response of
"Oh yeah?! Don't have anything better than putting a biased source of credibility attached to every article for no reason other than for people to use to dismiss articles and not read them?!
Well too bad removing it isn't an option! Find me a different one cause it makes me feel good!"
said the minority.