Defederating from Hexbear.net

2 years ago by SysAdmin to c/quarks

This instance has defederated from hexbear.net for violating our rules against propaganda as outlined in our Terms of Service. If you are unfamiliar, federation means two servers sync and host each other's content. Defederation stops us from syncing their content to our server.

charonn0 80 points 2 years ago

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TheOneCurly 41 points 2 years ago

Thank you, the comments were getting pretty rough the last couple days.

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ruckblack 37 points 2 years ago

Oh thank goodness. I like this instance a lot but the hexbear spam was annoying.

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davi -13 points 2 years ago

what spam?

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crawancon 33 points 2 years ago

too little too late, but they needed to be a little less locutus and a little more jean-luc.

they are like very online. or something. I can't tell and I don't wanna know. good riddance.

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heavyboots 28 points 2 years ago

For anyone on a different server, you can always personally defederated from a server under Settings in the Block tab at the very bottom. I eventually ended up being defederated from hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml.

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ValueSubtracted 19 points 2 years ago

Yes, I strongly encourage people to curate their own experience.

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TotallyNotSpezUpload 25 points 2 years ago
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Rin 16 points 2 years ago
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ptz 14 points 2 years ago

+1 for using Bookstack.

We use that at work for some internal documentation. Love it.

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Admin 9 points 2 years ago

Bookstack is great!

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Potatisen 5 points 2 years ago

What?

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ptz 14 points 2 years ago

The link to their Terms of Service in the post is running on an open-source wiki software called "Bookstack".

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Potatisen 3 points 2 years ago

Oh, thanks for explaining!

I've heard of stray comments on Lemmy, was 100% sure this was one of those.

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Sanctus 4 points 2 years ago

Its an amazing tool. No one else at my work wants to adopt it so it is my personal documentation app.

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rah 11 points 2 years ago path: 0 13168912, hotness: undefined, score: 11, children: 43
kitnaht 38 points 2 years ago

I've seen plenty of stuff over there saying if you're against Russia and their social engineering being used against the US, it's basically the same as being an antisemite.

The whole place is whackadoodle.

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Rooskie91 23 points 2 years ago

Theory divorced from historical context results in all kinds of cognitive dissonance, and that's what I see there for the most part.

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eldavi -66 points 2 years ago

expect vague answers or examples of individual clueless tankies used to justify the bans of entire instances at best.

defederating & banning from tankies is popular on the lemmyverse and they're making the decision of whom you can & can't talk to on your behalf; whether or not you asked them for it.

if you care about your agency on this social media platform; try switching or joining another instance that treats you like an adult that can make your own decisions.

pick one that doesn't defederate and their attempts to decide on your behalf will become self defeating and you'll still be able to participate here.

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Luci 37 points 2 years ago

This is a bad take. Server admins have the final say on who they federate with. I prefer to be on an instance that bans tankies and other poorly moderated instances. Heck, I support defederating with lemmy.ml because it's users seem to be confused about what freedom is.

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eldavi -26 points 2 years ago

no one's arguing that they can't make up their own rules.

also let people on other instances believe whatever they want; it has no bearing on you and you can block them and entire instances for yourself if you need to.

i don't want power tripping mods/admins or suppressive policies to make that decision for me; that's why so many people and I left reddit; i'm an adult who can make up my own mind and the lemmyverse already has the tools to empower me to do so.

this isn't reddit or a walled garden; in the fediverse it's the vegetables section of a community garden that was designed to maximize cross pollination and defederation episodes like this are like trying to install a permeable gate that don't stop that cross pollination.

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Corgana 27 points 2 years ago

The concept of defederation is literally the single most important core feature differentiating the Fediverse from centralized social media. I find it interesting that you feel employing it to be antithetical to the concept of federated networks.

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rah 15 points 2 years ago

@lemmy.ml

Ah, now it makes sense.

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Luci 12 points 2 years ago

I think this community on this instance might not be the right community for you.

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ValueSubtracted 33 points 2 years ago

they’re making the decision of whom you can & can’t talk to on your behalf

Anyone who wants to spool up an alt on a defederated server is welcome to do so. We suck at totalitarianism.

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rah 23 points 2 years ago

they're making the decision of whom you can & can't talk to on your behalf

If I want to talk to people on a defederated instance, I can create an account on the defederated instance. Nobody has made any decision for me. You seem unhinged.

whether or not you asked them for it

Admins having the power to decide to defederate is implied simply by being a Lemmy server. It cannot be any other way. The only "asking" that occurs in this situation is a user asking permission to sign up, create an account and use the server where the admins necessarily have that power.

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eldavi -20 points 2 years ago

Yes. That's close to what I recommended; try paying attention outside your bubble.

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rah 14 points 2 years ago

LOL

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Admin 22 points 2 years ago

You are correct that it is a requirement for all communities hosted on this instance to be actively moderated within instance principles.

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Amanduh 17 points 2 years ago

Wah wah we were relentlessly mean to people and now they don't want to talk to us

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barsquid 17 points 2 years ago

I approve when a server defederates from instances that have a large number of bad faith actors. Like strawman arguments, "examples of clueless tankies," attempting to disguise the fact that they are as numerous as they are toxic. Like, "treated like an adult," as an adult I'd like to not read rude and childish nonsense coming out of Hexbear.

If someone would suggest an instance that excludes hexbear, lemmygrad, and .ml I would like that. Lemmy.world is 2/3, that's nice. I assume the instance is only federated with .ml because .ml has some of the bigger communities. Unfortunately the .ml admins are actively participating in delusional thinking and silencing anyone who disagrees. Sounds like deciding for you whom you can and can't talk to, but that must be totally different for some reason.

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Admin 7 points 2 years ago

I think Beehaw.org is. We're 2/3 as well (now). .ml has some communities/users we've removed, but largely speaking .ml users have not caused any issues on our hosted communities, and we feel exposing them to our (generally awesome) communities is the net-positive here. Honestly .world's (lack of) moderation is more actively an issue for our mods, but since they're so big and we're a niche instance we really can't afford to de-federate from them.

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lol_idk 2 points 2 years ago

Deleted

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Snowpix 5 points 2 years ago

The two main instances that have all three blocked are lemmy.cafe, and dubvee.org.

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barsquid 2 points 2 years ago

Nice! Thank you.

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Facebones -4 points 2 years ago

and silencing anybody who disagrees

My brother in Christ y'alls whole thing is blocking any instance that contains anybody who disagrees with your world view.

But right, its only bad when they do it and its good when you do it. 🙄

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barsquid 4 points 2 years ago

Blocking trolls, yeah, or instances that are more trolls than good faith participants. Maybe you don't see a difference between that and just different opinions because you don't know how to disagree in good faith.

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eldavi -10 points 2 years ago

not different at all; they're doing the exact same thing and i think it's a testament to the fediverse's design that people with such diametrically opposed world views can exist on the same social media platform.

also, look at the toxicity being leveled at me here for my comment and coming from trekkies no less; the pot is calling the kettle black here.

consuming social media for the last 35 years or so; and ESPECIALLY with reddit; has taught me how to tolerate shit takes and high levels of toxicity and i think that's enabled me to see to how the discourse is happening in the entirety of the lemmyverse and the people who are putting themselves into a bubble through defederation are missing out, which will ultimately drive them away because it's choking off activity in the communities inside those bubbles and i think that the lack of content is going to drive away more people than any tankie ever could.

star trek matters to me and i want this instance to stick around; that's why i'm trying despite the toxicity and the bad faith arguments presented here.

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YeetPics 14 points 2 years ago

pick one that doesn't defederate and their attempts to decide on your behalf will become self defeating and you'll still be able to participate here.

I did that back when .world defederated from lemmygrad!

And then I spent a week on Lemmy and had to block all the affiliated instances and user FOR MYSELF like a true ALPHA so I could actually use the website.

This election cycle really has drawn them out like sap from a maple tree, don't ya think?

Tankies. Gross.

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socsa 11 points 2 years ago

No, it is the children who are wrong

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Psythik 7 points 2 years ago

What took so long?

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Admin 6 points 2 years ago

Defederation is the nuclear option. Until now we had removed any communities we weren't comfortable hosting, and treated users on a case-by-case basis based on how they behaved in our communities, which worked for a while but became untenable.

When we started this project the admin team felt that welcoming outsiders into our (wholesome, sane) Star Trek communities was the net-positive action. But as I said it became too much to handle so we unfortunately had to cut the cord.

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SkyezOpen 5 points 2 years ago

Good move.

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EchoCT -18 points 2 years ago

I trust you'll defed from .world too right?

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AmosBurton_ThatGuy 16 points 2 years ago

I trust you'll defed from .world .ml too right?

FTFY. Your instance is just hexbear/lemmygrad lite

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Facebones -4 points 2 years ago

Not propaganda when mods agree with it, duh. I look forward to people cheering this defederation crying "censorship" when they post an unhinged rant on an ml instance and get moderated.

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DragonTypeWyvern -11 points 2 years ago

It's not propaganda when liberalism

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electric_nan -13 points 2 years ago

Seriously! When I browse "all" the timeline is absolutely choked with insipid liberal political propaganda coming from .world.

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