what should one archive in a fascist regime?

2 years ago by Gigasser to c/nostupidquestions

Reposted from c/politics since it violated their rule about needing to have a link:

Now that the fascists have taken over, what books, academic studies, and pieces of knowledge should take priority in personal/private archival? I'm thinking about what happened in Nazi Germany, especially with the burning of the Institute for Sexual Science(Institut für Sexualwissenschaft) and what was lost completely in the burnings.

Some of us should consider saving stuff digitally or physically. Redundancies will help preserve stuff.

simple 118 points 2 years ago

If you'd like to support archival in general, consider donating to https://archive.org/ . They regularly archive books and media that can be potentially banned. It doesn't hurt to download parts of the archive on your machine if you want to be extra sure, but keep in mind the internet archive is massive with petabytes of data.

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hollyberries 98 points 2 years ago

Archive is on American soil. They got sued for lending ebooks during the pandemic and lost, so they are not a safe bet. Archive elsewhere. Anywhere else.

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BonerMan 31 points 2 years ago

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HK65 28 points 2 years ago

Fuck, are we really becoming the last beacon of freedom and liberty?

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AnUnusualRelic 10 points 2 years ago

One of the few left.

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BonerMan 6 points 2 years ago

As always

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lord_ryvan 1 point 2 years ago

Perhaps Japan

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douglasg14b 1 point 2 years ago

How, exactly?

They should sure, who's coughing up the tens of millions of dollars that might cost?

If they don't have the resources to do it, they can't.

Distributed filesystems that self hosters can support may be the future for resilient data, but we're not really there yet in a scalable way.

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BonerMan 2 points 2 years ago

Get a server in Romania for example, built up the necessary system and then either take the drives on a plane or transmit the data by internet.

The problem isn't the money, they would pay less in Eastern European countries. The problem is the time it takes to transmit the data.

It would be best to load the entire NAS farm piece by piece into a plane and fly it there.

A Charter Plane and some trucks aren't that expansive, and when you keep most of the hardware you don't need to pay for massive amounts of new hardware.

The problem is that its time consuming and that the Archive will be offline for at least half a year. For doing that.

If they wanna do it really smart they keep some smaller servers all around the world and don't do it from one country alone.

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yetAnotherUser -3 points 2 years ago

Depebding on the country, Europe has significantly worse copyright law than the US, to the extent that archiving a web page is illegal.

Fun fact:

In Germany you have to pay a special tax for anything that could be used to violate copyright. It ranges from 0.10€ for USB sticks to 90€ for faster printers to 14,000,000€ for opening up a public library - all going to a bunch of publisher organizations.

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BonerMan 2 points 2 years ago

What the fuck are you talking about?

The shit show Germany has is well aware to me but also grants you the right to download whatever you want as long as you don't distribute it.

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olsonexi 7 points 2 years ago

Why can't humanity seem to learn that storing all of our knowledge and cultural artifacts in just one place with no backup is a BAD IDEA? Don't let the library of Alexandria burn again!

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lord_ryvan 1 point 2 years ago

That's why people should torrent and seed lots of its data!

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douglasg14b 1 point 2 years ago

I'm pretty sure that they do but this is a problem of and resources, which they are strapped for

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ICastFist 35 points 2 years ago

Shit, now I'm doubly worried about Archive staying online.

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SturgiesYrFase 39 points 2 years ago

As @hollyberries pointed out, archive's servers are on American soil, if there's a federal ban on improper("fake") knowledge, their assets could easily be seized. No laws would have to change from today for them to do this, they'd just have to think up a somewhat reasonable excuse...

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Gigasser 20 points 2 years ago

Probably they'd use obscenity laws. Or they might bring lawsuit after lawsuit, dmca after dmca, until it drains them of their funds.

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SturgiesYrFase 17 points 2 years ago

The possibilities are endless.

I gotta get offline now. This morning hasn't been too great for my mental health.

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HellsBelle 5 points 2 years ago

I'm hopeful that the archivists were looking to transfer their servers elsewhere (if they could while in the middle of that lawsuit).

If not it will likely be gone. :/

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kent_eh 3 points 2 years ago

Or copyright.

Whether honest or not, copyright claims are a very powerful tool to take stuff down now, and fight about restoring it later.

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AndrewZabar 1 point 2 years ago

He doesn't have to. He can issue an executive order and within hours, a military regimen takes their data center.

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SturgiesYrFase 21 points 2 years ago

And also good to keep in mind is that digital storage is volatile. Yes it's impractical to have a few terabytes printed out, but if stored properly, it'll last longer than digital media storage.

Another thing to consider:
If things go full on crazy, like they seem likely to do, being in possession of improper knowledge could be a capital offence when the thought police come knocking.

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Gigasser 13 points 2 years ago

Another thing to consider: If things go full on crazy, like they seem likely to do, being in possession of improper knowledge could be a capital offence when the thought police come knocking.

Ehhh, fuck fascists. They can't get all of us if a bunch of us do this.

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SturgiesYrFase 15 points 2 years ago

It's all hypothetical for now. But with control of the house and senate, there's not a single thing actually stopping them as long as the rank and file of the GOP stay in line and push everything through. Hopefully there's enough liberal and further left inclined "Well organised militias" to fight back against anything super fashy....

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Cuttlefish1111 -1 points 2 years ago

Lmaoo are you serious? Nothing has happened nation wide,. Turns out people like their shitty jobs over murder.and prison. The rule of law did not evaporate.

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Shortstack 7 points 2 years ago

Good argument for encryption and servers within a privacy respecting country

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SturgiesYrFase 1 point 2 years ago

Yeah, not sure what the actual options are, but hopefully they get it sorted.

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philpo 6 points 2 years ago

Digital data stored right is extremely non-volatile - but it takes an effort to do so,but the same goes for printing out terabytes.

And digital data can be hidden far easier.

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SturgiesYrFase 3 points 2 years ago

Depends on what medium it's on. Some are far better than others, so as a generalisation I said what I said. A majority of folk these days, when they think digital media storage, think solid state. Which is, in fact, not suited for long term storage. A piece of paper stored correctly is going to outlast a usb drive, SD card or SSD.

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philpo 2 points 2 years ago

That's what BD M-Disc is for.

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linearchaos 7 points 2 years ago

Somebody needs to fix IPFS so we can archive all that shit and share in hosting a chunk.

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xmunk 54 points 2 years ago

With the internet as it is it's extremely unlikely we'll see an information purge like nazi Germany. We might see censorship and destruction of art but information will survive internationally.

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jaggedrobotpubes 36 points 2 years ago

We should probably assume most things are hosted in the states and have ron desantis coming for them.

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Gigasser 13 points 2 years ago

Hopefully they don't go all "Great Firewall of the US" on us.

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ech 7 points 2 years ago

Depends on who's in charge. 50%+ of the internet seems to be hosted by amazon and musk rules his little fiefdom. The call to be proactive isn't unreasonable.

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kent_eh 6 points 2 years ago

We might see censorship and destruction of art but information will survive internationally.

As well as imprisoning of people spreading information and making art that the regime doesn't like.

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SeedyOne 5 points 2 years ago

Your optimism about that is inspiring but one bad solar flare, some sea cables or a pissed off dictator/billionaire can shrink the world real quick. SneakerNETs anyone?

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FenrirIII 3 points 2 years ago

They put porn behind a government ID in most places. Expect it everywhere

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ipkpjersi 3 points 2 years ago

Canada will do the same once Pierre takes over. I'm already having to stockpile porn because of the fact he has a 99% chance to win and he's going to implement digital ID bullshit (even though Pierre claimed to be against digital IDs before If I remember correctly) which will end up being a privacy nightmare. I hope to fuck it's not going to be linked to social insurance numbers because the only way to get a new social insurance number is if there is actively fraud happening with your social insurance number, and then you have to fight to prove that you're you. We are so fucked.

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Sarothazrom 1 point 2 years ago

VPNs

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FenrirIII -1 points 2 years ago

More cash for corporations that lobby politicians to take awsy my rights. Fuck VPNs

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TheKMAP 2 points 2 years ago

Are you aware of any non American efforts to archive the American internet?

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linearchaos 45 points 2 years ago

For a while now I've wanted to start a project of shit politicians say. Video as much as possible. Every shitty immoral reprehensible thing that they come out and say and do logged into a searchable archive. Make it super easy for regular people to stitch together anti-political ads using the politicians own words with context.

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BigDanishGuy 52 points 2 years ago

Why? More than 50% of US voters just elected a convicted felon and rapist. Using the politicians' utterances against them is not going to do anything.

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linearchaos 9 points 2 years ago

It's not for now, it's for our kids, or their kids, assuming we get some morals in a couple of generations.

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spicehoarder 4 points 2 years ago

Assuming the planet is still habitable

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linearchaos 1 point 2 years ago

"The statistical likelihood," continued the autopilot primly, "is that other civilizations will arise. There will one day be lemon-soaked paper napkins. Till then there will be a short delay. Please return to your seat."

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AndrewZabar 8 points 2 years ago

Seriously! I just dont understand how so many people can just overlook this. Honestly they have openly approved it all. They never again have a right to expect justice for themselves, because they approved rampant criminal behavior in about the most formal way.

This is truly sickening. Clearly he can get away with anything just as he has always known. I just cannot figure it out. How can people do this? It truly makes me sure our species stands no chance.

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AnarchistArtificer 4 points 2 years ago

I have to believe in a future where people look back on this from a world with less hatred in it than it currently has. I want to give the perpetrators of hate as little plausible deniability as possible.

I have to believe that even though looking back on history didn't seem to help us avoid this situation, that there will be people in the future who are wiser and empowered to make better choices for them and their communities.

It's a fantasy, and I honestly don't care if it's unrealistic. It's what I need to believe to keep going. I need to believe there can be something better after this, regardless of whether I'll get to experience it.

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TheDorkfromYork 2 points 2 years ago

Trump, so far, has fewer votes than he got in 2020*. The future sucks, but there is hope. Please vote, life is not a passive sport.

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Badeendje 1 point 2 years ago

Maybe a warning for future generations about what is apparently acceptable discourse now.

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douglasg14b 1 point 2 years ago

Because advertising is what wins?

There's no such thing as bad publicity anymore. If you can gain a lot of publicity with well-timed and poignant collages and snippets that target audience on say tic Tok. That's an extremely powerful tool.

Currently things like this take not insignificant time and effort. Reducing the time of production is valuable.

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Gigasser 22 points 2 years ago

Best time to start this was before. But 2nd best time is now!

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PrincessTardigrade 8 points 2 years ago

That would be awesome, I wish that had existed a few months ago.

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linearchaos 14 points 2 years ago

I don't think it would have mattered starting a few months ago he was very open with everything that he did and said. But media like that has a tendency to get buried over time and I want my kids and their kids to know exactly what the f*** happened

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douglasg14b 2 points 2 years ago

Samesies.....

It's very difficult though, sourcing material is difficult enough, archiving and making it actually useful and valuable even moreso. It takes a lot of intelligent processing.

LLMs can reduce that effort a lot, on the searching side, but that's very expensive either in hardware or in API costs. And either way, would likely involve the efforts of a team to achieve.

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linearchaos 1 point 2 years ago

Honestly I think the hardest part is identifying it and locating it.

Probably need to start a community around it. People link to stuff. Pay walls would have to be dealt with. In the vast majority of cases that's not too difficult. No it does start getting less available around video sources. IP restrictions will be a pain in the ass.

Recording the video is messy. YT-DLP could work for some things, But honestly with the level of what's coming I'd be afraid of leaving fingerprints on anything. Probably throwing a full screen player up in a 1080p window and using OBS on it would be the safest. Could probably get away with using an elgato to capture the HDMI signal up to 4K.

Speech to text models are light enough to run on raspberry pi. They'll need to be vetted. They're not highly accurate. Captioning is a great community task.

Organizing an indexing the captions, there's no shortage of free database software. I probably start with sqlight to keep things portable and fluid. Moving to Maria or Postgres when things get too slow, But then we're going to have to host it. Anonymous hosting is a completely different ball of wax.

Storing the data would get out of hand quickly. It's trivial enough to buy a single 20 tb hard drive and store more than we'd need for years. But then hosting it anonymously would be difficult to say the least. Even the markers of these conversations would be traceable enough for us to be located. Paying for a private enough nude to be safe is going to be pricey over time.

I'm sure archive.org would take it, But honestly I wouldn't put $5 on them surviving a couple of years into the new administration. What they're doing is to inconvenient to too many corporations with deep pockets.

IPFS would work, well about as well as it works anyway, but that's the opposite of anonymous.

Edit: come to think of it it would be a hoot to run it on the short video federated platform. Just keep the database somewhere else. Again not anonymous enough for my tastes, But what I had a little bit of fun to the project.

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tiredofsametab 32 points 2 years ago

The fascist, directly into cold storage and left to bit-rot.

Joking aside, history. If you really think the internet will not be a thing yet want to survive: water purification. farming, water management, plant guides, waste technology (your bodily excretions have a lot of uses (from laundry to fertilizer) but also a number of risks), medicine, forestry, jointery, metalworking, mining, animal husbsnwdry, skinning, hunting, numeracy, literacy, leadership, etc. in roughly that order

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greencactus 2 points 2 years ago

You just provided the science tech path for the Civilization games

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Valmond 28 points 2 years ago

I'm going to do a shameful plug here, but I have made a sharing protocol & implementation that can be used to store data safely and also to safely share this data.

It's called Tenfingers

It's working but it is still in its infancy, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Please do say what you think about it!

Lets keep the morale!

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RVGamer06 7 points 2 years ago

Nice to know. I'm starting to think targeted groups will either use stuff like this or IPFS, or have to resort to Tor/I2P

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Valmond 3 points 2 years ago

Feel free to propagate the good word :-)

I'm up if someone/some group wants to know more about it, please do tell. For example it can replace IPFS and IMO it's way easier to setup and use.

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blackstampede 4 points 2 years ago

I poked around and couldn't find a repo link. Can you point me to that?

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Valmond 4 points 2 years ago

Sure! Here it is:

https://codeberg.org/Valmond/Tenfingers

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blackstampede 3 points 2 years ago

Thanks!

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Bob_Robertson_IX 2 points 2 years ago

This looks really interesting, so if I have a folder on a computer and I have it setup to share, then any time something gets added to that folder then is it automatically updated for anyone with the link?

Also, where should people go to help, or find out how to help?

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Valmond 5 points 2 years ago

Thanks!

You have to manually update your folder (but that can obviously be automated) otherwise yes that's it!

For more i formation, you can just follow the link in my post. I have also set up a community tenfingers@lemmy.mindoki.com but it is very empty at the moment.

Or just look for me, Valmond, and pop a question :-)

To help? I confess I'm a disaster for PR so I'm just doing my best, but if you'd set up a node that would really be helpful to iron out problems, and with feedback make the setup&usage simpler etc. For example, small files are shared "for free" (configurable) but if your folder is big (for example), then you need nodes in the network to want to share big things too.

You can obviously just put the links to bigger already shared data in the folder to make things smoother.

So trying it out and giving feedback would be fantastic!

Cheers

Valmond

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BonerMan 13 points 2 years ago

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Big_Boss_77 3 points 2 years ago

To where, exactly?

No snark, I'm genuinely interested.

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morphballganon 1 point 2 years ago

How do you convince the new place to let you stay?

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BonerMan -1 points 2 years ago

Say you are a refugee because you have to fear your safety. At best be LGBT or a minority. Or just go to Germany and become a citizen, its not that hard.

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philpo 12 points 2 years ago

You can easily keep Wikipedia around - burn it on archive BDs(M-Disc), they are easily hidden, can take the whole Wikipedia in one disk and basic information is extremely valuable in an oppressive regime. Then do the same for a collection of E-Books based on what is most likely to be banned/what the right wing does take the biggest offence on. And what aids you the most in either getting out or resist.

Using archive BDs(M-Discs) is important as regular storage devices can easily be detected due to their metallic contents and they degrade within years. M-Discs are far more resilient and can be almost as easily hidden.

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bamfic 9 points 2 years ago

WTF is a BDSM disc? Some kind of kink thing?

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SquiffSquiff 3 points 2 years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC

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lord_ryvan 1 point 2 years ago

And BDs would be Bluray disks

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Spacehooks 11 points 2 years ago

Apparently porn based on all the bans in the south.

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ipkpjersi 10 points 2 years ago

Honestly, everything. Any TV show, movie, documentary, book, or hell even porn that could be deemed as valuable or important in any way as I could see any one of these things becoming outlawed with such a regime. Hell, Canada's new prime minister (99% chance to win in the next election apparently) is going to try for putting porn behind digital IDs (despite claiming to be against digital IDs before if I remember correctly) which is just going to be a privacy nightmare unfortunately, I'm already having to stockpile porn because of this ridiculous bullshit. We are truly in a doomed timeline.

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thermal_shock 4 points 2 years ago

$ changed his mind, just like musky boi. all of a sudden he's a bible thumper? fuck outta here,he's expanding the grift.

and apparently the bible thumpers like rape, sexual assault, child molestation enough to elect a racist 34x felon who has done all of the above. blows my damn mind.

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HootinNHollerin 8 points 2 years ago

!datahoarder@lemmy.ml !datahoarder@lemmy.world

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dsilverz 6 points 2 years ago

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arin 3 points 2 years ago

Archive their heads like how the French did it. Guillotine is in the history for a reason

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InSamsara 2 points 2 years ago

Damian Haglund's website, it's an exquisite piece of knowledge.

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scratch 2 points 2 years ago

Download and save the evidence of their crimes before they have a chance to erase them. This includes the January 6th report, the evidence that Jack Smith has collected if it becomes publicly available, Trump's recorded deposition in the E Jean Carroll case, etc...

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Rule 1- All posts must be legitimate questions. All post titles must include a question.

All posts must be legitimate questions, and all post titles must include a question. Questions that are joke or trolling questions, memes, song lyrics as title, etc. are not allowed here. See Rule 6 for all exceptions.

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That's it.

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Questions which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.

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Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-question posts using the [META] tag on your post title.

On fridays, you are allowed to post meme and troll questions, on the condition that it's in text format only, and conforms with our other rules. These posts MUST include the [NSQ Friday] tag in their title.

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Let everyone have their own content.

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