How does a signing a post with a pgp key prove that you are actually the person behind the post?
3 years ago by Fizz to c/askscience
I saw that people on the dark web would sign their posts with a PGP key to prove that their account has not been compromised. I think I understand the concept of how private and public keys work but I must be missing something because I don't see how it proves anything.
I created a key and ran gpg --export --armor fizz@... and I ran that twice and both blocks were identical. If I posted my public key block couldn't someone copy and paste that under their message and claim to be me?
The short answer is no. A bit longer of an answer is that with the public key, anybody can encrypt data. Only the owner(s) of the private key can decrypt the data. That is a key point: encrypted data by itself is meaningless. If you were to attempt to decrypt random data (or change one single character of valid encrypted data), you’d get literal garbage output. But, valid encrypted data and the corresponding private key can always unencrypt back into the original format.
This is why emphasis is always made to never share or expose your private key. Couple the private key with the always-available public key and you’ve got a man-in-the-middle (MitM) attack. This is where an attacker could decrypt the data with the private key, change it, re-encrypt it with the public key, and send it along to the destination without anybody knowing it was altered.
I hope this helps.
I am probably at a similar experience level to OP and have wondered the following: is there a commonly used, or agreed upon repository for identity verification with PGP or similar? It would be a useful thing to use, the problem is that if you're posting something to a public space, not everyone may have access to your public key for verification. Including the key in the message doesn't seem like it would help much, since someone else could just generate two new keys and still claim to be you without any affiliation. Am I wrong about this? Thanks.
Key signing parties used to be the thing to do at conferences - imagine a line of people, sheets of paper listing all their key fingerprints, and people showing ID to each other.
If this is some kind of messaging board, you'd probably put your public key in your profile (I assume that since OP is talking about the dark web that the posters there would rather not share their actual identity).
Let's talk about Alice, Bob and Eve. Alice is an active poster on a dark web forum. She puts her public key on her profile and uses the corresponding private key to sign her messages. If Eve wants to pretend to be Alice, Eve can simply put her own public key on her profile and sign messages with her own private key. But Bob is smart. Rather than just looking at the profile of the poster and copying their key every time, Bob saved it in his key store and assigned it to Alice (possibly even marked it as trusted). When Bob sees a post by Eve, he'll try to validate it. This validation might succeed (if Bob has access to Eve's public key), but it will be clear that the message wasn't signed by Alice's key.
Of course, this all assumes that Bob has quite some knowledge of how this works and is vigilant enough to perform all these validations correctly.
As for the regular internet, there are some services where you can share your public key: keys.openpgp.org is one of these. Of course, as /u/perviouslyiner@lemm.ee says, there's still the matter of trust. You need to make sure that the public key you're using is actually from the right person.
That's exactly my point. The gold standard would be a key signing party, but given that humans don't tend to talk to each other in meat space much these days, it's more of a rare occurrence than it used to be. I don't really know what the ideal solution would be that would be a good mix of trust, privacy, and ease of use though.
EDIT: changed encryption / decryption to signing / veryfing. Thanks for the corrections
Not an expert, those who know more please correct me.
From what I understand, what they post is not a PGP key, but the same content published in clear text signed with their private key. That way anyone can verify it with the author's public key to check it has been generated with the private one (that only one person should have).
For signing, it’s backwards - you encrypt with the private key, and then everyone else can decrypt with the public key. If that doesn’t work, they know that the message wasn’t signed by the private key paired with the public key they have, and therefore is invalid and is not to be trusted.
Signing proves authenticity (only the private key holder can sign), encryption provides privacy (only the private key holder can read)
Isn't that for when you want to send a message to someone so only the recipient can read it?
If I understand correctly, OP is asking about signatures to prove the posted content comes from a specific source.
Anyway, thanks for the review!
In a digital signature system, a sender can use a private key together with a message to create a signature. Anyone with the corresponding public key can verify whether the signature matches the message, but a forger who does not know the private key cannot find any message/signature pair that will pass verification with the public key
Sorry, but I still think I'm saying the same thing as in that paragraph:
[from your link] a sender can use a private key together with a message to create a signature
[from your link] Anyone with the corresponding public key can verify
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What you are doing is exporting your key. Your public key is indeed something you can (and should) share as it enables others to verify that you are indeed who you claim to be (or more accurately, that you're in control of the private key that's linked to that public key). So while you should share your public key, your private key must remain private.
What these people on the dark web are doing is one step further: they sign their messages with their private key. This creates a cryptographic signature that's different for each message (changing a single character in the message will generate a wildly different signature). Anyone with the public key can simply copy that message including the signature and validate it. If even a single character of the message was changed, the signature will not be valid. Thus ensuring others that the person who posted the message is indeed in control of the private key.
Signing is different from encrypting: while encryption renders your message totally unreadable to anyone without the correct key, signing doesn't change the message itself. It simply appends a signature allowing others to check that the message wasn't tampered with.
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