As an American it's insanely depressing and frustrating to not be able to fight the propaganda that convinces our population that more money to Raytheon is somehow a patriotic thing and that we need to bomb everyone...

Just know there is a rather large population that never wanted it to be this way, but we're never enough when it's people vs monied interests.

I blame mainstream media propaganda as much as Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfield :(

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Aru 21 points 3 years ago

The fr*nch used the whisk incident to justify the colonialism on Algeria... Ironically it happened on Eid Al Adha and the leader of Algiers was also called Hussein 🤔

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urshanabi 13 points 3 years ago

Could you clarify the meaning of the irony in the name Hussein? Does it have to do with the history of Eid Al Adha?

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Aru 16 points 3 years ago

Saddam Hussein was killed in Eid Al Adha

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SleepyCat 41 points 3 years ago

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AlbigensianGhoul 13 points 3 years ago

Around 500 more from covid, in fact! And every year since the invasion until 2019 there were more civilian deaths due to the Iraq war than in 11/09. Tragedies only count if they happen on the wealthiest burough of the wealthiest county of the wealthiest country, apparently.

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ArchmageAzor 8 points 3 years ago

Covid doesn't justify bloating up the military for the "war on terror"

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redtea 2 points 3 years ago

Not with that attitude!

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PolandIsAStateOfMind 24 points 3 years ago

Is that the "TM" after the flag names?

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DamarcusArt 15 points 3 years ago

I think it is some other descriptor, not a TM. They're insanely capitalist, but not quite at that level yet.

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JackiesFridge 21 points 3 years ago

The disturbingly culty "pledge of allegiance" started as a cynical ad campaign designed to sell flags to schools. It's one of the most American things I've heard.

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the_kalash 19 points 3 years ago

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Munrock 15 points 3 years ago

ok but what are we not supposed to forget?

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WaterBowlSlime 22 points 3 years ago

9/11 1973, when the US couped Chile and installed Pinochet

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AlbigensianGhoul 9 points 3 years ago

That gitmo is still funcioning and has about 20 people jailed in it.

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ArchmageAzor 1 point 3 years ago

Only 20?

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AnUnusualRelic 8 points 3 years ago

On the 9^nth^ of November 2004, Firefox 1.0 was released. 9/11 is therefore a date dear to the heart of all freedom loving people.

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PyroNeurosis 8 points 3 years ago

The USS Maine? The Alamo? Our dinner reservations?

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ComradePupIvy 4 points 3 years ago

The reservations, I have put a lot of time and effort into this dinner meeting

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SmoothSurfer 6 points 3 years ago

Because after 9/11, these happened:

There are Americans europeans arabs
So for "national security" it is right thing to do surveillance everything, for the sake of security of course as we said
Lets put all those taxes to millitary, for security again guys
Islam = Terrorism, Muslim = terrorist

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moosetwin -2 points 3 years ago

lemmygrad.ml

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leo_da_vinci -5 points 3 years ago

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MarxMadness 11 points 3 years ago

I'm immediately disregarding any website that invites me to share a link on Parler, TruthSocial, and Rumble.

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JackiesFridge 5 points 3 years ago

I'm immediately discarding any claims Sept 11 "was an inside job."

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MarxMadness 12 points 3 years ago

What makes it difficult to disregard that entirely is the fact that the U.S. has planned false flag attacks before. There's also the fact of the Bush Administration's open desire to start regime change wars and the adjacent awareness that this would be politically unlikely absent "a new Pearl Harbor" (see "Critics"). This is like knowing someone has at least planned a murder before, then them talking about how convenient it'd be for someone to wind up dead, then a body showing up.

Personally, I think it's plausible that the feds had specific advance warning of the attacks but intentionally slow-rolled the response (I see some parallels with how all these mass shooters were known to the feds beforehand). This would not require a lot of people to know and has excellent plausible deniability. I don't think it's plausible that they set demolition charges, or fired a missile into the Pentagon, or anything like that -- too many people would have had to be involved and this would have left too many smoking guns.

I don't think it's useful as leftists to get too entrenched on any related topic, besides "why would anyone want to do this to the good wholesome U.S. of A.?" or "is the U.S. government capable of killing its own to start a war, or at least looking the other way and letting it happen?"

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