Olympic marathon runner Molly Seidel

3 years ago by SomeoneElse to c/dontyouknowwhoiam

Ertebolle 127 points 3 years ago

This feels very much like an /r/thathappened post

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pjhenry1216 114 points 3 years ago

As a running enthusiast whose varied from running ~25 miles a week to having to restart from nothing, what the guy is talking about is extremely common. I've followed many different plans from many runners, sometimes their names are attached, sometimes not, and most of them I couldn't tell you what they look like. I will say Olympic runners are the most common. I've even come across hers. Nothing about this rings as implausible to someone remotely interested in the topic. I guess I could understand from a total outsider perspective, but from someone who looks into that topic often? Absolutely plausible. I see no reason not to believe them.

Edit: the amount of stories Tony Hawk posts like this and never gets questioned also just makes me wonder a bit about why multiple people have already commented the way you did.

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PownyRyda 8 points 3 years ago

Wouldn't a guy analyze a guy's training instead of a women's? I don't run but I'd imagine that training would be at least a little different for women than it is for men.

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pjhenry1216 29 points 3 years ago

Not really. I'm sure elite performers, possibly. But training plans aren't generally gendered from anything I've come across.

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Ghoti 18 points 3 years ago

I’ve never paid attention to the sex or gender identity of who writes training programs if the credentials check out

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feedum_sneedson -25 points 3 years ago

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RedAggroBest 8 points 3 years ago

Or maybe he's an analyst.

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Hathaway 2 points 3 years ago

Pretty sure the Tony Hawk thing is like a running joke, I’m not sure how many of those are legit at this point. I still laugh at them all.

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Hawk -13 points 3 years ago

I've never come across anyone that just pulls out a training schedule when I say "I run".

Usually there's some follow up questions about goals, training, whatever.

But just straight up grabbing your phone and pulling out a training schedule? THAT'S the implausible part, not that he was using her training schedule.

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pjhenry1216 24 points 3 years ago

You have no idea what the conversation is. It was boiled down to "I run." Why are you going out of your way to assume a whole bunch of stuff that isn't mentioned?

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Hawk 1 point 3 years ago

That's what I read between the lines. She's having a stab at someone who did exactly that.

I don't see the need to tell a professional runner how to run? I also don't see why she would hid that fact if the conversation went any further?

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JackbyDev -1 points 3 years ago

You find it unlikely that someone who runs at the Olympic level would be amongst people that are likely to nerd out about their training schedules?

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Zorque 64 points 3 years ago

This feels very much like a /r/nothingeverhappens comment.

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danwardvs 62 points 3 years ago

Inside you there are two wolves.

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Zorque 27 points 3 years ago

God damn it Moon Moon.

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Repossess6855 18 points 3 years ago

One smokes crack, The other smokes crack.

You are addicted to crack.

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NakariLexfortaine 18 points 3 years ago

It's a good day at the Furry convention.

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Aurenkin 1 point 3 years ago

Oh damn, so I'm not a lone wolf?

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thepianistfroggollum -9 points 3 years ago

I mean, just consider how astronomically improbable the entire situation is for a second instead of falling for rage bait.

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pjhenry1216 18 points 3 years ago

It's extremely possible. I came across her plan in researching running. She's popular. Not all runners publish stuff. She's one of the few names in running I recognize but I couldn't for the life of me even describe what she looks like let alone recognize her on my own.

And why is this rage bait? Who is angry? It's humorous. Why do you assume folks are supposed to be angry reading this?

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Mr_Pap_Shmear -4 points 3 years ago

To your last point I think it could be read as him"mansplaining" it to her. He could also just be passionate about the topic and excited to talk about it. If it happened in any case

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Zorque 17 points 3 years ago

The only people who seem to be raging are the ones trying to intimate that its a fake scenario, everyone else seems to be rolling their eyes or chuckling.

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SomeoneElse 2 points 3 years ago

Exactly! That was my intention when creating this community - posts are meant to be entertaining, slightly humorous, maybe a little bit of schadenfreude. Not everything has to be super serious.

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solstice 2 points 3 years ago

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OurTragicUniverse 11 points 3 years ago

What at all is improbable about it?

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thepianistfroggollum -3 points 3 years ago

You really believe that some rando just happened to sit next to the person he was pulling stats about?

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Primarily0617 2 points 3 years ago

for this specific marathon runner, maybe, but there are a lot of professional athletes

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yokonzo -9 points 3 years ago

Please don’t make meta reference comments a thing here, I beg you

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thepianistfroggollum 16 points 3 years ago

You're going to be very disappointed if you think a social media platform populated mostly by ex-redditors won't eventually take on the behaviors of reddit.

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yokonzo 2 points 3 years ago

I already am

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ObviouslyNotBanana 7 points 3 years ago

Feels a lot like /r/subredditdrama

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normalmighty 3 points 3 years ago

/r/ reference comments are littered all over comments sections on sites like YouTube and TikTok despite not linking anywhere when outside of reddit. Do you really think there's any chance of it not catching on here?

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expatriado -11 points 3 years ago

also, r/imverysmart

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thepianistfroggollum -12 points 3 years ago

That's because it is. We're supposed to expect that a random person had compiled detailed running stats on a person he just happened to sit next to on a plane.

This is just a story to manufacture outrage, like most of social media.

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RedAggroBest 23 points 3 years ago

Where's the outrage? This is a funny story in the same vein as Tony Hawk's various "You look like Tony Hawk" moments. Its like everyone in this thread saw its a woman and assumed she's complaining instead of telling a fun story.

Edit as I realize half the comments trying to call this rage bait are literally just you instigating lol. Touch grass.

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OurTragicUniverse 13 points 3 years ago

The outrage is because the person who made the original post is a woman.

The vast majority of men really don't like it when women do things or talk about their experiences, especially if the women are good at or enjoy the things they do and/or talk about men behaving like men towards them.

(Watch how fast I get down voted and mansplained to about how wrong I am, lmao)

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feedum_sneedson 1 point 3 years ago

That's a Kafka trap, right?

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SuddenDownpour -3 points 3 years ago

I was going to downvote you, but I have decided to upvote you instead to make you look like a fool /s

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feedum_sneedson -4 points 3 years ago

What is touch grass?

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Odusei 10 points 3 years ago

I’m not sure why you assume the person was random. There’s no indication that she hops on planes randomly. Professional runners do a lot of traveling to and from events, and it makes sense that other people connected to the sport (and likely to have detailed running stats on runners) might also be on those same flights.

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RedAggroBest 16 points 3 years ago

Its almost like they're some sort of community built around shared interest! I swear some of the people here really need to fuckin touch grass lol, especially who you're replying to.

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feedum_sneedson -2 points 3 years ago

What is touching grass?

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pjhenry1216 1 point 3 years ago

It depends on the analysis. I've done plans and there are tools that just print out the analysis of how well you improved in different areas. It could have been an analysis of trying the plan. Once you're into long distance, you may try different plans to get past a plateau. I don't see how you could analyze the plan itself, so I just assumed it was an analysis of implementing the plan. Cause that's common.

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average650 84 points 3 years ago

Why not tell him? Who wouldn't love that?

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snooggums 8 points 3 years ago

Someone who makes assumptions about women and confidently tells them how they should be doing the things they are already doing.

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average650 63 points 3 years ago

Just sounds to me like he's passionate about something. I guess he could be an ass, but to jump to that conclusion from just "you should train high milage" and then providing analysis is really a bit much.

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thepianistfroggollum 22 points 3 years ago

My dad would be that guy, but he's a running coach and was a marathon runner for like 50 years, so he loves talking about it.

There definitely wouldn't be any thought of, "you're a woman so you need advice," since he'd do the same thing to a man.

In fact, if we actually accept this completely unbelievable story, the fact that he's pulling stats from Women runners shows he's not being sexist.

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pjhenry1216 -16 points 3 years ago

Your dad sounds like an asshole and id avoid bringing up running. I'd enjoy talking about it. But I wouldn't want a teaching lesson from someone who has, as far as I know, no credentials or authority on the topic because, if we assume it's like the post, none were given. Plus I'd rather they find out my level of knowledge before they assume I know nothing. Basic respect. Your dad has none. And you don't either.

Edit: most running plans aren't gendered so he may not even know it's from a woman. Many plans get shared, gasp, through social media and credit can be lost. You're actually fucking awful at drawing logical conclusions. Take a college course in logic once you reach there as I can't imagine you're that old or experienced with your approach to communications.

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Saneless 2 points 3 years ago

Probably more along the lines of "I found this amazing program, check this out"

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pjhenry1216 -4 points 3 years ago

Not really. Unsolicited advice can be very condescending. You're telling them that info because you don't believe they know it. Just ask them how familiar they are on the topic if it's truly from a place of passion. Cause passionate or not, if they already know the info, it's annoying to listen to someone just spout about something you already know. And it's worse if they just assumed you didn't know.

Edit: also, I'd take her opinion on the situation over yours any day. She decided that it would have someone not gone over well for the guy, so I'd imagine she had a reason. You're the one assuming she acted without reason which is truly odd.

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average650 15 points 3 years ago

So, tell them about yourself. They're a stranger, they're going to get a lot of assumptions wrong, so what? Conversations can't begin without making some assumptions. It's only a problem when they start to ignore what you say.

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Zorque -5 points 3 years ago

I mean, if the recommendations were prompted, sure. But if he just starts telling her what she should be doing without prompting, its that whole "mansplaining" thing I heard about.

Admittedly we only have her context, he could have just been passionately recounting his own routines and she may have misinterpreted it, or exaggerated for effect and humor.

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thepianistfroggollum 9 points 3 years ago

I mean, the story is bullshit, but from the account it just sounds like a running enthusiast geeking out about a topic they enjoy.

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OurTragicUniverse -9 points 3 years ago

I take it you're not a woman or afab presenting then? Go ask a woman you trust to tell you what it means when a man starts explaining her hobbies to her as if she doesn't understand them.

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average650 16 points 3 years ago

Man, guys do this to everyone because they care about what they do. I've had guys do it to me and I love it because we can have a passionate conversation then.

Look, if after she revealed who she was he dismissed her, then yeah, he's an ass and the conversation is a waste of time. But, I know a lot of guys who would do exactly this and then be really excited to talk to her and learn about her experiences, myself included.

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feedum_sneedson -2 points 3 years ago

MEN BAD MEN BAD MAN BAD MAN BAG

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Dangdoggo -4 points 3 years ago

This doesn't sound like a mansplain scenario to me, I think the guy was just happy to talk running (and also might not exist). So if a woman says they run I should say "well I'm sure you know everything there is to know about that. No need for further discussion." ? Sounds fucking dull.

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30mag 27 points 3 years ago

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pjhenry1216 7 points 3 years ago

Running plans are not gendered for the most part. It's possible some exist, but they are not common, especially amongst enthusiasts as opposed to elite athletes.

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jbrains 1 point 3 years ago

Any person unsure about their safety sitting next to a stranger with no options for escape. I wouldn't feel particularly comfortable in such a situation.

UPDATE: I don't understand the downvotes. I have read many comments saying similar things in response to the story: give this man the benefit of the doubt, not every behavior is mansplaining, you're all judgmental and jumping to harsh conclusions, and so on.

I used to be in that chorus until my wife explained to me one thing: when the cost of failure is high enough, constant vigilance and suspicion is necessary for protection and maybe even survival. And I could either accept that or not.

It felt grim and I felt disappointed by the whole conundrum, but I had to accept it as it is. From there, my view of these kinds of situations changed.

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thepianistfroggollum -7 points 3 years ago

Because it isn't true. It's pretty much statistically impossible.

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6xpipe_ 6 points 3 years ago

Statistically improbable

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Ryan213 26 points 3 years ago

I find this hard to believe...if the guy's doing analysis, he'd surely know who she was. He'd be a big enough "fan" of running to even start doing analysis. Man, the internet is just full of BS.

Anyway, I'll pretend this was real and it's kinda funny.

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pjhenry1216 21 points 3 years ago

Absolutely not. I've followed plans and couldn't tell you what the person looks like. It's usually not about knowing a lot about the person but the popularity of the plan. And I've come across hers so at least in my opinion, it's a common one. I find this no different than the countless stories Tony Hawk says that border the same concept. He just gets believed a lot more easily for whatever reason.

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noqturn 17 points 3 years ago

Idk, I’d believe it. I’ve been involved in a few sports to the point that I’m doing deep diving into elites trainings out of curiousity. For some athletes, the only picture I would see is a small thumbnail profile pic that was basically indecipherable, or they would be in athletic gear with hats and such. I definitely wouldn’t recognize them on the street, and it would be a crap shoot if I’d recognize them on an airplane. The only ones that I’d have a shot at are Alex Honnold, Tommy Caldwell and Andrew Skurka.

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zaph 1 point 3 years ago

I'm pretty sure the venn diagram of people who give unsolicited workout advice and people who don't pay attention to the by line is just a circle.

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kemsat 23 points 3 years ago

The expression should be “I had too much heart to tell him.” A person lacking heart would have told them, gleefully.

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Malfeasant 33 points 3 years ago

No, "didn't have the heart" doesn't mean you don't have heart, just means you have a different kind of heart, so it works fine.

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Uli 11 points 3 years ago

I had too many hearts to tell him. My blood pressure is through the roof.

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AliceTheMinotaur 3 points 3 years ago

Or your a time lord

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moosetwin 2 points 3 years ago

I didn't have any heart to tell him. I was dead.

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Denalduh 1 point 3 years ago

Ahh I see.. It should be DON'T don't have a heart.

Thanks for clearing that up!

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Klear 2 points 3 years ago

A person lacking heart would have told them, gleefully.

TIL I'm lacking heart.

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TIEPilot 8 points 3 years ago

This happens a lot in the firearms community. I get told about x, y, z guns and how they function. But I have all those guns and have trained on the less accessible. I own full auto legally but every other day I'm told I can't own one. People be dumb.

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Joejimbobjones -6 points 3 years ago

I am really having trouble believing it went down like that. Analyzing one specific runners routine is more like stalking than anything. Especially given that there is a wealth of material on high mileage plans (Pfiitzinger anyone?).

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orphiebaby 1 point 3 years ago

...Being inspired by a professional's methods is not stalker behavior. If he was a stalker, you'd think he'd know what the runner looked like, yeah?

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