A bunch of losers went out and threw Nazi salutes in Alberta, Canada yesterday while holding racist signs.

2 years ago by SamuelRJankis to c/canada

A bunch of losers went out and threw Nazi salutes in Alberta, Canada yesterday while holding racist signs. Might be time for the media to stop calling them “hand gestures” and start reporting on this big fucking problem for what it is!
grey_maniac 110 points 2 years ago

Dear Alberta, could you please deal with your racists and get your ridiculous theocracy out of office? We have to get ready for a real war.

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Rocketpoweredgorilla 60 points 2 years ago

That IS the war.

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cyborganism 13 points 2 years ago

Sadly. This is the truth.

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T00l_shed 19 points 2 years ago

But why would Daniel hold her favorite people accountable?

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swordgeek 10 points 2 years ago

Her name is Marlaina. Until I see a note from her parents saying she's allowed to change her preferred name, she should be called Marlaina.

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T00l_shed 5 points 2 years ago

Oh! I didn't know, thank you, we can't use prefered names around them, wouldn't want to offend their sensibilities

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skozzii 8 points 2 years ago

The call is coming from inside the house....

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swordgeek 6 points 2 years ago

While it's true that we have too many Nazis in this province (and we keep electing the fuckers!), Gilmore's point is well taken: If the Cons and Poilievre win the next election, it will be decided before the Alberta polls are even closed.

So please, stop pointing your finger at one region and feeling superior. We need to fight these vermin across the entire country and world, and can only do it together.

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grey_maniac 5 points 2 years ago

If I implied I felt superior, I'm sorry. I meant to imply I want to help but it's a 13-hour drive for me. I'll do my best to deal with those I can here.

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Alpha71 -4 points 2 years ago

Look if PP get's elected, it will be at MOST a minority government and both the Liberals and NDP will hamstring them at every opportunity. So even if they get elected, nothing will be done except push 6 years worth of governance down the road to the next elected Govt to unfuck.

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CanadianCarl 5 points 2 years ago

Does that mean that I don't have to deal with the racists in my family, because I am in Ontario? My family hates people who are not white.

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HikingVet 9 points 2 years ago

That’s not your family. That's just a group you share genes with.

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CanadianCarl 10 points 2 years ago

They are not sharing my jeans anytime soon.

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Honytawk 7 points 2 years ago

Leave some fabric for the rest of us

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HikingVet 4 points 2 years ago

Those bad boys should never be shared.

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orbitz 1 point 2 years ago

Time to go to the rave?

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Showroom7561 78 points 2 years ago

Why get the police involved? Our soldiers should be allowed to kill these Nazis where they stand.

We already fought a war to eradicate those scumbags, and we should have a zero-tolerance policy when it comes to neo-Nazis.

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Sturgist 36 points 2 years ago

Slippery slope that. If you call the armed forces in for one group of citizens, maybe PP gets in and he starts calling them in for people who you and I might not think need shot.

Don't get me wrong, these idiots should be shot. Just saying pulling up the army might not be the best precedent to set.

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Showroom7561 6 points 2 years ago

If you call the armed forces in for one group of citizens nazis, maybe PP gets in and he starts calling them in for people who you and I might not think need shot.

That's the difference, though. We're talking about Nazis here. PP also has a duty to remove nazis from this earth, unless he supports them.

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Sturgist 8 points 2 years ago

unless he supports them

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HikingVet 6 points 2 years ago

He has posed for a surprising amount of pictures with neo nazis

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Randomgal 0 points 2 years ago

You're sounding awfully close to a MAGAt now. If you know the guy is trash, maybe stop supporting him?

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Showroom7561 4 points 2 years ago

I'm confused. Supporting who?

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Nouveau_Burnswick 5 points 2 years ago

Half of base Edmonton lives in St. Albert. They can just drive by punch some Nazis in the face on their way to work. No need to make it an official act.

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Sturgist 3 points 2 years ago

Fair dues bud, I could get behind that.

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TheEighthDoctor 3 points 2 years ago

I did hear him say group of citizens, I head Nazis

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Sturgist 2 points 2 years ago

That's the tricky bit. Gotta parse what they actually mean. Group of citizens, probably Nazis. Malcontent, anti-establishment rioters, probably people out to punch Nazis.

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aphonefriend 3 points 2 years ago

Can't seem to figure out why inglorious bastards is trending rn.

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x00z 57 points 2 years ago

Why is it always a bunch of young adult white males? Don't we have a cure for incels yet?

I live in a country where prostitution is legalized. Maybe that would help these guys.

Oh and therapy.

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ZDL 43 points 2 years ago
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Glide 28 points 2 years ago

Let's be real: it's about control. They want sex on their terms, and paying for it doesn't put them in control. They say things like "genuine human connection," while desperately wanting a traditional, subservient woman that they can use to satisfy their needs.

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ThePyroPython 9 points 2 years ago

Suggest they should get a mail order bride then, or stop being such an unlikable cunt by raising their self-respect standards.

In my experience they seem to shut up when you suggest that.

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grrgyle 2 points 2 years ago

I'd give em the "two wolves inside you" talk - like negativity and positivity. Gotta keep the moral lessons at preteen development levels with these sorts of folks.

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grrgyle 7 points 2 years ago

What you said is all true, and there's no excusing that level of rottenness, but I do think there's a deeper component to it that they do not acknowledge.

They want to feel good about themselves, which at the core is not unreasonable, but they've built up this whole misogynistic mythology where they need a conventionally attractive woman - mind, body, and soul, in order to feel safe and happy.

But I'm convinced that even if they somehow stumbled into this unlikely relationship they would still be miserable.

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ZDL 4 points 2 years ago
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ZDL 7 points 2 years ago
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villasv 11 points 2 years ago

Therapy has always been legalized, but the folks who need help the most will often not dare ask for it

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Godwins_Law 8 points 2 years ago

Or lack easy access to it

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villasv 3 points 2 years ago

Very true, important correction!

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CileTheSane 9 points 2 years ago

Why is it always a bunch of young adult white males? Don't we have a cure for incels yet?

Some percussive maintenance applied directly to their face once per rally or as needed will do wonders to decrease symptoms and prevent the spread.

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damnedfurry 2 points 2 years ago

Actually, the evidence indicates the opposite.

Please keep in mind as you read the below that punching and doing literally nothing are not the only options, since I get that false dichotomy as a response way too often: "oh, so you think we should just leave them alone and ignore them?" No, oppose them, emphatically. But not violently--making martyrs of them, to their buddies and those they're looking to recruit, by sucker punching them is not going to accomplish what you think it will.


On a purely pragmatic/practical level, it's a bad idea, if your goal is to oppose Nazism.

Experts on extremism/terrorism etc. are all saying the exact same thing.

See for yourself: (emphasis added)

In the case of violent counterprotest tactics — e.g., punching Nazis — experts on extremism say it is likely only to aid the white supremacists’ cause.

The most commonly stated argument in favor of physically disrupting white-supremacist rallies is that society can’t give an iota of legitimacy to these groups. To allow them to spread their message of hate is to offer them a platform to recruit and to glorify their cause. What this logic leaves out is that it may well be the case that hate groups are better able to recruit and glorify their cause when they are able to engage in violence, regardless of how that violence starts, according to researchers in the field of countering violent extremism, or CVE.

“On the one hand, I don’t think these expressions should go unanswered,” David Schanzer, director of the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security at Duke University, said of the recent white-supremacist gatherings. “But you’re essentially giving them exactly what they want when you try to confront them directly.” That’s because these groups’ efforts to recruit and mobilize supporters rely on a very specific strategy that benefits greatly from violent conflict.

In the U.S., explicitly white-supremacist groups know they are vastly, vastly outnumbered by everyone who hates them — their paltry numbers being an easy thing to forget in the age of social media and especially so this week, in the wake of a real-life white-supremacist murder. So their only hope for relevance is to maximize every potential bit of media coverage. And the best way to do this is to create media moments: scary, evocative images like the torch photos from last weekend, but also as many violently photogenic confrontations with counterprotesters as possible. Producing violence is an underlying, often unstated, goal of many white-supremacist protests and gatherings.

When violence does break out, videos of it race through the internet’s white-supremacist underbelly, serving as incredibly valuable PR material. It doesn’t matter who gets the better of a given confrontation: When the Nazis get punched, it’s “proof” that anti-fascists or liberals or [insert minority group] or whoever else did the punching have it in for “innocent white Americans just trying to protest peacefully.” When the Nazis punch back, it’s proof that their enemies are, to borrow a word from alt-right parlance, “cucks” who are easily bested in the streets. Even when white supremacists lose street fights, they win the long game.

This sort of tactic, said Jeffrey Kaplan, an academic researcher and the author of a number of books on terrorist movements, “is a constant in terrorism or any form of asymmetric warfare,” whether the group in question is jihadist or white supremacist or whatever else. Kaplan, who is an incoming professor at King Fahd Security College in Riyadh, summed up the extremists’ logic like this: “Our numbers are paltry, we are despised by our countrymen and we couldn’t get a date for the life of us, but any action that has enough impact to strike at the heart of the enemy by getting media coverage is a major triumph.” Violent confrontations allow extremists to make a tantalizing offer to the angry, disillusioned young men — they are almost entirely men — whom they hope to groom to become tomorrow’s haters and killers: We are part of a movement to change the world, as you can see from this latest video that movement is working, and you can be a part of it.

Schanzer laid out a fairly straightforward alternative: Counterdemonstrators should respond assertively, vociferously, and in far superior numbers — but at a distance from the extremists themselves. This tactic both prevents the sort of violent conflict American hate groups want, and has the added benefit of drawing at least some media and social-media attention away from the smaller hateful gathering and toward the much larger counterprotest.

“Violence directed at white nationalists only fuels their narrative of victimhood — of a hounded, soon-to-be-minority who can’t exercise their rights to free speech without getting pummeled.” “I would want to punch a Nazi in the nose, too,” Maria Stephan, a program director at the United States Institute of Peace, told him. “But there’s a difference between a therapeutic and strategic response.”

Even former white supremacists admit punching Nazis plays right into their hands, gives them exactly what they want:

...when mouthpieces for white supremacist ideology are physically assaulted on camera, it becomes a powerful validation of their victimhood complex: in their minds, plain evidence that white people are indeed under attack, and motivation to spread a call to violent response with renewed zeal. This “punch felt round the world” was a great boost to the “alt-right” cause. If you aid and comfort neo-Nazis, which is exactly what punching them in the face does, you are no better than they are. Real life isn’t a fucking Quentin Tarantino movie.

When I was a neo-Nazi skinhead over 2 decades ago, I got beat up as often as I beat anyone else up. It never made me any less violent. In fact, we used to pile into vans and drive from Milwaukee to Chicago for the thrill of brawling fellow devotees of romantic violence like the guy throwing the punch in this video. We lived for violent opposition. We thrived on it. Violence of any sort, no matter how it may be rationalized, is the bread of hatred. We put mustard on that shit and gleefully gobbled it up and clamored for more.

Back in the 1930s, there were gangs of communists who routinely brawled the Nazi brownshirts in the streets of Germany. Their contemporaries would have us believe that if there were more communists who brawled harder than they did back then, that the Holocaust wouldn’t have happened. As a former neo-Nazi, I can attest to how important it is to have violent opposition in order to maintain the hatred necessary to hurt people. The communist gangs helped Hitler’s National Socialist party come to power not only by galvanizing their own members, but more importantly by serving as a crucial ingredient in the overall atmosphere of fear and loathing that led the German general public to look to the Nazi party for order.

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CileTheSane 2 points 2 years ago

Well that is a more researched response than my glib comment deserved. I respect the effort you put into it.

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Sturgist 0 points 2 years ago

This is why we should still be able to beat kids.....sorta /s

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isVeryLoud 6 points 2 years ago

Easily impressionable, yet craving for attention

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normalexit 4 points 2 years ago

Well for this particular meeting, I think young white males are the target demographic.

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Honytawk 4 points 2 years ago

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x00z -1 points 2 years ago

I don't get it

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swordgeek 2 points 2 years ago

At this point, I suspect the only real solution is guns and knives.

Not advocating, just commenting.

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HikingVet 2 points 2 years ago

Username checks out

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Lemminary 2 points 2 years ago

Oh and therapy.

Let's start there.

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ipkpjersi -1 points 2 years ago

I don't think prostitution is ever going to be legalized in Canada (or USA).

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Nouveau_Burnswick 9 points 2 years ago

Prostitution is legal in Canada.

Solicitation for Prostitution is illegal.

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ipkpjersi 1 point 2 years ago

I meant it will never be fully legal.

What you said is like saying owning a gun is legal but buying ammo for it is illegal.

One is pointless without the other.

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HikingVet -2 points 2 years ago

Only of we continue to give credence to opinions such as yours.

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corsicanguppy 8 points 2 years ago

No no, we do talk about it a lot. It may not be close but it could happen.

Not in Alberta, no. But in Canada, yes.

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Ithral 3 points 2 years ago

It's legal in Nevada...

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ipkpjersi 1 point 2 years ago

I meant fully legal country-wide.

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Kolanaki 52 points 2 years ago

When there was a pro-nazi rally in my city a few years ago, a ton of the LGBTQ+ groups and nearly 3 times as many people (including my sister and I) showed up to drown out the Nazi bullshit with our own signs and salutes.

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BedSharkPal 13 points 2 years ago

Wait, is there an LGBTQ+ salute? If not there really should be.

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Kolanaki 26 points 2 years ago

By salute, I mean 🖕 to the Nazis.

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endeavor 9 points 2 years ago
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anomnom 7 points 2 years ago

I’d like to take a moment and thank the emoji committee for adding that one.

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Cris_Color 14 points 2 years ago

That makes me happy

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digdilem 51 points 2 years ago

Oh look, a speedbump.

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Blackmist 26 points 2 years ago

I hate Alberta Nazis.

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myusernameis 22 points 2 years ago

For anyone who doesn't get the reference.

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lost_faith 13 points 2 years ago

I hate Alberta Nazis.

FTFY

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Oderus 10 points 2 years ago

It's a pop culture reference.

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lost_faith 1 point 2 years ago

Oh man... I got a whoosh moment

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Furbag 44 points 2 years ago

Normalize beating the shit out of Nazis again and this stops overnight.

Maybe the cure for fascism is organized crime making a comeback. Specifically the Jewish Mafia. They wouldn't tolerate this kind of behavior.

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Pilferjinx 12 points 2 years ago

The US Nazis are armed with the intent of violence in "self defense". Be careful out there.

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Lemminary 11 points 2 years ago

Confront them first, make them feel uncomfortable. Make fun of them, make them feel ashamed first. We don't need to get violent from the get-go to be effective. We gotta get creative.

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dustyb0tt0mz -6 points 2 years ago
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Lemminary 3 points 2 years ago

You're the one taking the L right now, why don't you take your own advice instead?

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swordgeek 11 points 2 years ago

The ADF excused Musk for his Nazi salutes last week. :-(

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itslilith 5 points 2 years ago

No surprise, coming from the Apartheid Defense League

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TheMightyCanuck 42 points 2 years ago

Down the road from where I live.

Trumps been in office a fucking week and these shit stains are already coming out with confidence.

Edir: oh and our premier hasn't condemned the act yet (it's her voting base 😉)

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Comment105 10 points 2 years ago

I dreamt that I was faced with a group where some were starting to do some Nazi heiling and generally testing the waters trying to get people on board with white supremacy and ethnic cleansing.

I said something like "Fuck it, let's see where we're at; Nazis go right, if you're not a Nazi go left."

Turned out there were 3 willing to call themselves Nazis in a group of like 15.

So I dreamt I followed it up by saying "Kill the Nazis" and people immediately starting chasing them down. Didn't see how it ended.

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bilb -24 points 2 years ago

Geeze, so much for the tolerant left!

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Tm12 19 points 2 years ago

Tolerant of diversity, not fascism sorry.

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HikingVet 2 points 2 years ago

Don’t be sorry.

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Comment105 11 points 2 years ago

I don't think our great grandparents would want us to be very tolerant of Nazis.

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Lemminary 9 points 2 years ago

The left hasn't unilaterally claimed universal tolerance. Some people do, though, but they can go do themselves. The rest of us have no room for the wicked.

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Duamerthrax 8 points 2 years ago

This has to be a-swing-and-a-miss sarcasm.

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bilb 4 points 2 years ago

It is, I should have known better. I thought I was posting in a different community where that would be more obvious.

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ControllerCat 7 points 2 years ago

Tolerance is for anyone, not everyone. When someone's "opinion" is that innocent people should be deprived of life, freedom, and dignity, it stops being an opinion and becomes a violent threat.

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dustyb0tt0mz 5 points 2 years ago

we're harmless. what's your address?

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Comment105 5 points 2 years ago

Does Christ condone the kind of hate you and your family harbors, by the way?

Does he condone the persecution that is starting to ramp up, and the manner in which it is executed?

Or does he condemn it? Would God send you to burn in hell for eternity as the false believer that you are, heretic?

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dustyb0tt0mz -3 points 2 years ago

you know they're easy targets when they cluster together like that, right? what did you personally do to stop them?

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boonhet 11 points 2 years ago

Maybe they don't own any firearms? Not sure what they're supposed to do otherwise.

I'm willing to bet you haven't shot up a single nazi gathering either.

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TheMightyCanuck 7 points 2 years ago

Oh right my proximity to the problem not only makes me judge, jury, and executioner... But also it's solely my responsibility to deal with. 🥴

Lay off the meth and let the adults talk buddy

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IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol 27 points 2 years ago
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spirinolas 11 points 2 years ago

"What do you mean 'repeatedly'? My transmission is tricky!"

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Oderus 6 points 2 years ago

Missed a chance to say, "I did nazi him"

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njm1314 24 points 2 years ago

And were promptly beaten viciously right? That's what happened?

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Madison420 23 points 2 years ago

A bunch of Nazis*

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samus12345 12 points 2 years ago

went out and threw *odd-looking gestures

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PM_Your_Nudes_Please 5 points 2 years ago

They’re just autistic! This is a time for a bit of grace, perhaps even the benefit of the doubt, and we should take a breath.

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Comment105 3 points 2 years ago

Doesn't look like anything to me.

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Mongostein 22 points 2 years ago

Wow. In St. Albert, the whitest of the rich white suburbs. What brave souls.

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BeardedGingerWonder 7 points 2 years ago

Need to end it there before it has a chance to spread and get normalised

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Mongostein 5 points 2 years ago

I agree

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Gammelfisch 16 points 2 years ago

The Canadian WWII veterans rolled in their graves.

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fourish 13 points 2 years ago

So sad as to be absolutely pathetic. Even worse than hanging a “kick me” sign on yourself.

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Lemminary 13 points 2 years ago

Get out your pool noodles & whack 'em on sight. Amplify their message with satire. Make a buffoonery out of them until they learn.

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dustyb0tt0mz -5 points 2 years ago
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Lemminary 2 points 2 years ago

You're missing the entire point. You go murder people if that's what you want. You're no different.

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Eiri 12 points 2 years ago

Deport all the nazis? Sure!

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Duamerthrax 5 points 2 years ago

To the Pacific Garbage Patch.

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HikingVet 1 point 2 years ago

Hey, thats plastic waste not toxic sludge.

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theacharnian 11 points 2 years ago

I see a bunch of slush just waiting to be splashed over.

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Cris_Color 11 points 2 years ago

Seems like a bold choice of position to be throwing nazi saultes from 😅

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Simulation6 10 points 2 years ago

One thing I always wonder, who or what are they saluting? I mean, Hitler and the 3rd Reich are long dead. It can't be used as a secret society sign, since everybody knows it. Maybe it is like a rattle snakes rattle, stay away, I am bad!

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eronth 10 points 2 years ago

It's just a sign showing their association with the ideology or exist organization(s). It's part threat, part "this is my ideology", part indicating their existence (e.g., other's with similar ideology know they're not alone). There's also the bonus being if you punish them they can whine about being suppressed and if you don't punish them they can tout how "clearly others agree with me : )".

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OceanSoap 10 points 2 years ago

Lol, a bunch? There's 3 of them.

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avidamoeba 6 points 2 years ago

It seems like the mods have worked too quickly and I can't see what went down. Just the aftermath. 😂

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billwashere 1 point 2 years ago

Wait I thought Canada was immune to this shit?!? Well shit… there goes my exit plan.

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Krompus 2 points 2 years ago

We’ve got some bozos but they’re a small minority. You could call the cops on these public “protesters” if you wanted to. There are plenty of anti-fascists who would like to know their location as well.

Exit plan? Are you in the US? Looks like we’re their expansion plan. :/

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billwashere 1 point 2 years ago

Yep US. Don't listen to Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dumber.... They like to stir up shit with no real plan

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Mettled -37 points 2 years ago
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Ioughttamow 25 points 2 years ago

Seems like them replacing you would be good for Canada

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nik282000 10 points 2 years ago

Was there an accident or were you born with your colon terminating inside your skull?

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SneakyWeasel 6 points 2 years ago

You are something else. Probably just a troll account because i just cant think someone would be able to say this.

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cyborganism 3 points 2 years ago

Pretty much. Saw his history. He's a violent asshole.

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T00l_shed 6 points 2 years ago

Holy shit! til I am an immigrant, no canadian born, non house owner! Fucking news to me bud. Maybe take that shit elsewhere

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Hobbes_Dent 5 points 2 years ago

You get that from Don, Pierre, Elon, or your daddy?

Complete hateful ignorance of your own country. Doing the enemy’s work for them.

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SayJess 2 points 2 years ago

Aww sad panda

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jerkface 0 points 2 years ago

Q: What's the difference between a Canadian and an immigrant?

A: A piece of paper.

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BlackLaZoR -45 points 2 years ago
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T00l_shed 29 points 2 years ago

No.

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BlackLaZoR -41 points 2 years ago
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T00l_shed 22 points 2 years ago

No

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cyborganism 12 points 2 years ago path: 0 14712264 14712350 14712469 14712660 14714656, hotness: undefined, score: 12, children: 5
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