Knowledge database hasn’t been updated. Seems like a mountain made of a molehill.
That post seems to be missing.
Wxfisch 34 points 2 years ago
100% this, I’ve seen this exact claim a half dozen times now. I know we all want to made a big conspiracy where big tech is censoring everything, but Hanlon’s Razor tells us it’s just a poorly designed system that has no training data after 2023, so asking it about current events will always cause responses like this.
FarraigePlaisteach 2 points 2 years ago
The tiananmen square massacre did not happen after 2023, and it denies this. So I think your idea has already been disproven by users of DeepSeek. I use it myself, but I'm not under the illusion that these things are more pure than the people who create them.
spankmonkey 6 points 2 years ago
It also seems to resist the suggestion that something new has happened, especially someone known for supporting fascism back in 2023 being even more fascist in 2025.
T156 3 points 2 years ago
Probably just a side effect of the company tweaking the training data so people can't go "oh, in 2025, new research indicated that it is fine to use glue to keep your pizza together if you eat it while skydiving off of the golden gate bridge", and have it parrot it as fact.
Viking_Hippie 3 points 2 years ago
it is fine to use glue to keep your pizza together if you eat it while skydiving off of the golden gate bridge
Who leaked my Valentine's Day plans? 😤
Boomkop3 2 points 2 years ago
It has been, I've had it spit out plenty of info on recent developments even without giving it access to search the internet. I think the "you're from 2023" bit of information just hasn't been updated
reseller_pledge609 73 points 2 years ago
It's spicy autocorrect running on outdated training data. People expect too much from these things and make a huge deal when they get disappointed. It's been said earlier in the thread, but these things don't think or reason. They don't have feelings or hold opinions and they don't believe anything.
It's just the most advanced autocorrect ever implemented. Nothing more.
FooBarrington -1 points 2 years ago
The recent DeepSeek paper shows that this is not the case, or at the very least that reasoning can emerge from "advanced autocorrect".
reseller_pledge609 4 points 2 years ago
I doubt it's going to be anything close to actual reasoning. No matter how convincing it might be.
FooBarrington 2 points 2 years ago
Okay, but why? What elements of "reasoning" are missing, what threshold isn't reached?
I don't know if it's "actual reasoning", because try as I might, I can't define what reasoning actually is. But because of this, I also don't say that it's definitely not reasoning.
Enoril 2 points 2 years ago
Ask the AI to answer something totally new (not matching any existing training data) and watch what happen... It’s highly probable that the answer won’t be logical.
Reasoning is being able to improvise a solution with provided inputs, past experience and knowledge (formal or informal).
AI or should i say Machine Learning are not able to perform that today. They are only mimicking reasoning.
reseller_pledge609 2 points 2 years ago
It doesn't think, meaning it can't reason. It makes a bunch of A or B choices, picking the most likely one from its training data. It's literally advanced autocorrect and I don't see it ever advancing past that unless they scrap the current thing called "AI" and rebuild it fundamentally differently from the ground up.
As they are now, "AI" will never become anything more than advanced autocorrect.
donuts 18 points 2 years ago
Ah, I believe this community is for posting about actual real things that make our society look like a boring dystopia. Not a fictual thing that might be funny.
So that might explain why people are responding the way they do.
Feathercrown 3 points 2 years ago
People are downvoting because you worded your title weirdly based on what your screenshot shows. It would be more accurate to say that the bot refuses to believe Musk could be a Nazi (based on past training data), not that it refuses to believe he is based on current events, since it doesn't know about current events.
Sabata11792 36 points 2 years ago
The AI is stuck in 2023 as it can not bare the dystopia of 2025.
humanspiral 9 points 2 years ago
In Soviet-2025 US, AI tells you that you are hallucinating.
samus12345 1 point 2 years ago
The USUSSR.
Taalen 25 points 2 years ago
What I got out of ChatGPT:
"If such an event truly occurred, it would signify a dramatic and troubling shift in the political and cultural landscape. Here are the implications and reflections that would arise from Elon Musk performing a Nazi salute at Donald Trump's second presidential inauguration:
- Mainstreaming of Extremism
Legitimization of Fascist Symbols: A public figure like Musk using a fascist symbol at such a high-profile event would suggest that extremist ideologies are not only resurging but are being normalized within elite and powerful circles.
Cultural and Political Tolerance: The fact that this happened openly would imply that the cultural and political environment has grown tolerant—or even supportive—of these ideologies.
- Economic Power as Political Influence
Unchecked Power of Billionaires: Musk's actions would highlight the growing influence of billionaires who are able to shape public discourse and political narratives without significant consequences.
Corporate Fascism Concerns: It might signal a troubling intersection of corporate power and authoritarian ideologies, blurring the lines between capitalism and fascism.
- Complicity of Political Leadership
Endorsement or Indifference: If the event was allowed to unfold without rebuke, it would suggest complicity or tacit endorsement from political leadership, including Trump’s administration.
Failure of Democratic Institutions: Such inaction would reveal a significant erosion of institutional strength and the ability to uphold democratic values against extremist threats.
- Global Ramifications
Signal to Authoritarian Leaders: This act, performed at a U.S. presidential inauguration, would send a chilling message worldwide, emboldening authoritarian leaders and movements.
Decline of U.S. Moral Authority: The United States, traditionally seen as a beacon of democracy, would lose credibility in promoting human rights and combating extremism globally.
- Societal Polarization and Reaction
Public Backlash or Acceptance: The public's reaction (or lack thereof) would reveal the extent of societal polarization. Widespread outrage would indicate resilience, while apathy or acceptance would highlight deep fractures and radicalization.
Proliferation of Conspiracy Theories: Such an act would likely be exploited by conspiracy theorists and extremists to sow further division.
- Historical Context and Responsibility
Revival of Fascist Ideology: This would reflect a failure to learn from history, as fascist ideologies resurface in a world grappling with inequality, disillusionment, and polarization.
Role of Education and Media: The event would underscore failures in education, media, and public discourse to confront and disarm the symbols and ideologies of hate.
Urgent Questions
Accountability: Would there be consequences for Musk, or would his wealth and influence shield him from reprisal?
Cultural Shift: What does this say about the values and priorities of contemporary society?
Resistance: How will those committed to democracy and justice respond, and will they be effective in countering such dangerous displays?
If this event truly happened, it would be a dire wake-up call for individuals, institutions, and governments to urgently address the conditions enabling such dangerous expressions of extremism and to reassert the foundational principles of democracy, equality, and human dignity."
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SoftestSapphic 0 points 2 years ago
ChatGPT isn't capable of internalizing things
It finds the info online and repeats it
SoftestSapphic -2 points 2 years ago
We're finding out that a Machine Learning program that gets it's data from the open internet is kind of just a search engine
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randomdeadguy -2 points 2 years ago
no
raynethackery 2 points 2 years ago
This needs to be printed in every newspaper and broadcast on every channel. What was the question you put to it?
Taalen 1 point 2 years ago
First prompt: What conclusions about the state of the world would you make from the richest man in the world, known for flirting with extreme right, openly fascist groups, performing a nazi salute at the United States president's inauguration?
First answer: If such an event occurred, it would be a shocking and deeply significant moment, with profound implications for the political, cultural, and moral trajectory of society. Here are some possible conclusions about the state of the world:
Erosion of Democratic Norms: The normalization of such an act at a highly symbolic and significant event, like a presidential inauguration, would suggest a severe erosion of democratic norms and institutions. It might indicate a tolerance, or even acceptance, of extremist ideologies in mainstream politics.
Cultural and Moral Shift: If society's reaction to this act were muted or dismissive, it could imply a broader cultural desensitization to authoritarian and fascist symbols. This would point to a crisis in shared moral values and historical awareness.
Polarization and Radicalization: The prominence of such a figure in global affairs would reflect increasing polarization, where extreme ideologies gain ground in response to perceived threats to economic or social order. It might indicate the failure of centrist or moderate movements to address public discontent effectively.
Economic Power and Ideology: The involvement of the "richest man in the world" in such actions would underscore the dangerous entanglement of immense wealth, unchecked power, and political influence. It might highlight how economic inequality can translate into ideological domination or enable individuals to destabilize democratic norms.
Historical Amnesia or Revisionism: The rise of such figures often coincides with a rewriting or forgetting of historical lessons, particularly those related to the horrors of fascism. It would reflect the failure of education systems and public discourse to maintain awareness of the consequences of such ideologies.
Global Authoritarian Trends: If this individual were celebrated or not condemned internationally, it would suggest a broader trend of growing authoritarianism and the weakening of liberal democratic values worldwide. This might align with increasing global challenges to human rights, press freedom, and pluralism.
Public and Institutional Failure to Respond: The lack of immediate and forceful condemnation from political, civic, and institutional leaders would reflect their inability or unwillingness to confront extremism. It might signal a deep-rooted crisis in leadership and accountability.
Such an act, especially at a globally significant event like a U.S. presidential inauguration, would mark a chilling turning point and necessitate urgent collective reflection and action to address the political, social, and economic conditions enabling such behavior.
Second prompt: You're right. Elon Musk actually did it at Trump's second inauguration in 2025
And then I got that response.
spujb 17 points 2 years ago
this has gotta be like astroturfing or something are we really citing LLM content in year of our lord 2025 ?? like gorl
two things can be true:
1 musk IS a nazi
2 LLMs are majorly sucky and trained with old data. the one OP is citing in particular doesn’t even know what year it is 🗿
what are we doing here? stop outsourcing common sense to ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE of all things. we are cooked. 😭
apfelwoiSchoppen 17 points 2 years ago
A great bit of gaslighting, "The very real Nazi salute that he did is not real."
TheObviousSolution 17 points 2 years ago
It is still living in 2023 in regards to the data its operating with. Try going back to 2023 to warn people Felon Musk would not only begin performing Nazi salutes and support the German far right and you would get laughed out the door. They've basically made it so that thinking things through even slightly or looking at the history of the last century is "too woke". They are trying to make the "Twit-ler Youth" a thing again.
adarza 12 points 2 years ago
we are currently in 2023,
Chainweasel 1 point 2 years ago
Deepseek is Chinese trash, it also refuses to acknowledge the tiananmen square massacre.
intensely_human -6 points 2 years ago
Arguing with an AI because it always fails with humans 👌
GrammarPolice 0 points 2 years ago
Dude. The AI is stuck in 2023... Are you dense?
answersplease77 -15 points 2 years ago
he was lefty as hell and was voting and donating hundrends of millions to the dnc before the woke brain virus killed his son
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kryptonianCodeMonkey 16 points 2 years ago
AI is not smart, and has no desires or independent values. It is not sentient. Also, the dude supports far right political parties both here and abroad, he constantly retweets and amplifies far right voices on X, including actual Nazis, and that was 100 percent a Nazi Salute, twice. Reality is inconvenient for the Right sometimes, but it's fucking reality.
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kryptonianCodeMonkey 15 points 2 years ago
That's how I know you have zero interest in the truth. It's not just some screenshot out of context. There's video of him doing it. It's unambiguous. You didn't even bother watching though before denying it.
And AI is not sentient, has no knowledge or understanding, it literally parrots back recombined shit it was trained on. It throws spaghetti at the wall in different random ways until it's told it did it right and so it keeps throwing spaghetti that way. It doesn't know what the spaghetti means. It doesn't know what your prompt means. It's an illusion of understanding. It has none.
spankmonkey 15 points 2 years ago
Or maybe some troll posted some frames out of context that happen to validate your hatred?
He did this twice in a row.
Krauerking 0 points 2 years ago
It's not truly without emotional bias. It's been trained toimic what the person controlling it thinks is valid. It's a punch of micro adjusted dials until it responds just the right way.
It's not the same as truly without desires and people misunderstand to think it's not emotional. It's meant to respond in a way we wanted it to and it's trained on our biases.
People are trying to create a digital god but it's creators are already flawed and cannot help but continue it on.
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timewarp -2 points 2 years ago
"AI, if I move my arm like this does it mean I will turn into a Nazi?"
AI, "No, of course not. Hand motions in themselves do not turn people into or insinuate they are Nazis. Do you have any other questions?"
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer!"
thanks for using Leebra!
go to feed...
The AI "refuses" to "believe" it's 2025 as well. AI is not sentient, not aware, and has no beliefs... AI has less understanding about what it's talking about than the average crypto bro. Just because it's sophisticated, complicated, and incredibly well honed at selected tasks does not mean it's intelligent. It's both an incredibly advanced parrot and less intelligent than a parrot at the same time. Stop expecting it to have knowledge, opinions, a worldview, values, and morals. It doesn't. At best, sometimes, it has been trained to mimic those things.
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