I finally watched that one Britmonkey video about everything banned in China after avoiding it for years, and they claim that the word "disagree" is banned on Chinese social media.

3 years ago by CPCsStrongestWumao to c/comradeship

He also claims that they banned the letter "N" kekw

how can anyone take these people seriously?

Aru 44 points 3 years ago

Did you know that most people living in the people's republic of china go their entire life without being able to say "I disagree with the cpc"? That is because English isn't their main language.

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SovereignState 12 points 3 years ago

I straight up giggled

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ReformOrDDRevolution 35 points 3 years ago

The word China is in fact banned in China

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muad_dibber 9 points 3 years ago

!thechinabadtimes@lemmygrad.ml

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juchenecromancer 29 points 3 years ago

A simple Baidu search with Deepl shows you that mentions of Tiananmen square aren't censored in China, it's so stupid what libs believe.

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luchuan 28 points 3 years ago

These are the same people that unironically want to ban Z lol

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knfrmity 17 points 3 years ago

Germany effectively did. German libs love to say that we have "freedom of opinion" here and not freedom of speech, but even that freedom of opinion is being eroded almost by the day.

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RedCat 12 points 3 years ago

Germany also officialy declared that the Holodomor was started intentionally by the Soviets to punish Ukraine.

It's mental what this country is up to.

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knfrmity 12 points 3 years ago

That one hurts in a particular kind of way, given how instrumental the Nazis were in originally spreading the myth of the Holodomor (and other anti-Soviet atrocity propaganda).

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RedCat 9 points 3 years ago

Yeah I know. Never again my ass.

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HiddenLayer5 24 points 3 years ago

they claim that the word "disagree" is banned on Chinese social media.

How the fuck do people fall for this kind of shit when it's so easily disproven?

Translation into Chinese from https://translate.alibaba.com/ -- Disagree -> 不同意

I will now apparently commit thoughtcrime: https://s.weibo.com/...

Will update if I get a knock on the door from the seeseepee overseas police that's apparently already in Canada where I am, or if my family in China are threatened. Or if I suddenly stop posting, I guess I'm already in one of the Xinjiang camps by then.

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CPCsStrongestWumao 24 points 3 years ago

One search on Baidu or Zhihu proves it wrong.

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knfrmity 27 points 3 years ago

Checking that would require the viewer to have the intellectual curiosity to ask if what they're being presented is true.

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CPCsStrongestWumao 25 points 3 years ago

to these people, if the accusation is about China, its automatically true, and questioning it means you're a tankie

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201dberg 13 points 3 years ago

This is literally the same strategy used by the west in the "anti Stalin paradigm" which is a term coined by Grover Furr. In his many years of research into the Soviet Unions and western propaganda he states that basically the west can make up anything they want, any accusation at all, and if you question it in any way you are now a sympathizer with the accused and their made up crimes. So if I said Stalin personally strangled 100 children for no reason, and you ask me for a source, the reaction would be me accusing you of approving of Stalins strangling of 1000 children.

As we see, this is a tactic they employ against any target they wish.

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JTurtle 12 points 3 years ago

supposedly, the many banned terms were quickly unbanned, but further reading would require being able to read Chinese. which i can't.

for comrades braver than me, here's br*tmonkey's source list for the video: https://pastebin.com/qNQbXyUE

and the source for "letter N was banned" (from the guardian, notorious source of Unbiased™ reporting about china): https://www.theguardian.com/...

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bennieandthez 24 points 3 years ago

I mean the thumbnail has a winnie pooh xi, only edgy kids and teens find that funny.

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DamarcusArt 23 points 3 years ago

People take it seriously because it is white noise. They could just have a person jumping up and down saying "Tinyman square" over and over again it would have exactly the same effect. It isn't supposed to be informative, it's supposed to affirm their previously held belief of "Chinabad." It exists as a big list of things because each individual part of it doesn't actually matter, the goal is to do a kind of "Gish Gallop" of information, to just list off a huge number of things all at once, when all each of these individual things is just another statement of "Chinabad" again and again. It's almost like a mantra, being repeated so often as a form of meditation, to achieve true liberal enlightenment.

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poplargrove -21 points 3 years ago

How can pointing out violent supression and the killing of peaceful demonstrators possibly not be informative?

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iknt 22 points 3 years ago

How can pointing out violent supression and the killing of peaceful demonstrators possibly not be informative?

It's not peaceful when PLAs were burnt/killed.

https://archive.ph/CGlJ3

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poplargrove -17 points 3 years ago

While I haven't looked into the two others, on one of the people burnt, Liu Guogeng, it seems important details were excluded:

On the streets, a widely circulated alternative version of events was that Liu had shot four people with his AK47 and was lynched after he ran out of ammunition. In fact, the photos of him hanging from a bus had been framed in such a way as to exclude the slogans scrawled in the dirt on the side of the bus: “He killed four people! Murderer! The People Must Win! Pay Back the Blood Debt!”

From Louisa Lim - The People's Republic of Amnesia, p. 17, just started reading this. It seems curious to me that the sources I have been given are really just repeating the justifications used by the state.

You also completely ignore how when troops were initially sent into stop the protests, the protestors blocked them for days, chatted with and fed, finally forcing the troops to return peacefully. It is the chinese state that began the violent supression of the protests afterwards.

And as I have commented elsewhere, random blogs and Reddit posts are useless sources to learn history from.

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iknt 18 points 3 years ago

Here's the more formal source

https://www.qiaocollective.com/...

Some more context:

Footage from a documentary titled The Gate of Heavenly Peace shows an interview between Chai Ling (student leader in the Tianamen Square Incident) and reporter Philip Cunningham a week prior to the protest.

In the footage, Chai makes the following statements:

Chai Ling: All along I've kept it to myself, because being Chinese I felt I shouldn't bad-mouth the Chinese. But I can't help thinking sometimes – and I might as well say it – you, the Chinese, you are not worth my struggle! You are not worth my sacrifice! What we (the protestors) actually are hoping for is bloodshed, the moment when the government is ready to brazenly butcher the people.
Cunningham: "Are you going to stay in the Square yourself?
Chai Ling: "No."
Cunningham: "Why?"
Chai Ling: "Because my situation is different. I want to live. Anyway, that's how I feel about it. I don't know if people will say I'm selfish. I believe that people have to continue the work I have started. A democracy movement can't succeed with only one person. I hope you don't report what I've just said for the time being, okay?"

The footage has been verified by third-party media specialists as genuine, and is readily available online.

Chai Ling, or the biggest hypocritical scumbag ever.

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Jonathan12345 15 points 3 years ago

Ah yes a 'widely circulated alternate version of events', because everyone knows ccp bad xinnie the pooh subhuman orcs media always lies to us and le wholesome reddit gold award 'rumors' are the word of god.

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idahocom 8 points 3 years ago

"people's republic of amnesia". Another tired screed by some diaspora shitlib with no real primary sources. Tell me, do you think an AK47 only holds 4 bullets?

There's multiple pictures showing people with makeshift firearms in anti-CCP sites showing pictures from the incident.

Here's a fun quote from wikipedia:

"Meanwhile, protesters used student loudspeakers in various university campuses in Beijing to call for students and citizens to arm themselves and assemble at intersections and the Square.[68]"

Real peaceful.

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knfrmity 21 points 3 years ago

It's informative in the way a fantasy novel is informative.

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poplargrove -7 points 3 years ago

Useful comment for a circlejerk but not really for someone who doesn't hold your worldview.

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knfrmity 18 points 3 years ago

If you're interested in further investigation, this is a quick but quite comprehensive overview of the events, from a journalist with credibility in western circles.

https://www.fridayeveryday.com/...

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SovereignState 15 points 3 years ago

https://www.liberationnews.org/...

Because that never happened.

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poplargrove 8 points 3 years ago

While I think a blog post by a political party is pretty much useless as a source, I've stumbled on other reliable stuff while trying to verify it and they go against what I believed, so thanks for that. It seems the violence wasn't in the square itself but towards it and nearby.

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SovereignState 8 points 3 years ago

I find it difficult to claim something as utterly useless as a source whenever it is well-sourced itself.

I appreciate you reading it, regardless.

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poplargrove 1 point 3 years ago

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ButtigiegMineralMap 20 points 3 years ago

You can’t say the N word if there is no letter N😈 -Xi Jinping

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Aru 11 points 3 years ago

Xi Jipig

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PoY 6 points 3 years ago

I thought he looked a lot grainier

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ButtigiegMineralMap 10 points 3 years ago

Just saw the vid suggested to me like an hour before checking this post, salute 🫡, I didn’t have the strength to trudge through that garbage

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Redex68 -3 points 3 years ago

It also seems most commenters didn't watch the video either. The claim isn't that those words were permanently banned, it's that they were temporarily removed (blocked) from search results untill people calmed down, when they were allowed again.

A simple Google search returns multiple articles with the claim, all linking back to this post from the China Digital Times.

I haven't found claims of the site sharing missinformation.

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CPCsStrongestWumao 14 points 3 years ago

US based media site that's run by the vice chairman of the World Movement for Democracy (founded by the NED)

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