"Kernel regressions" was a little bit too generalizing in this meme. Technically drivers that became part of the kernel can also regress, as recently seen by users of Corsair Void wireless headsets (an unpatched 6.13 kernel is panicing once the headset adapter is plugged in).
Natanox 7 points 2 years ago
Broken driver. It now seemingly attempts to read the current battery status, and while doing so literally locks up (not sure what "locking" means in context of a Kernel, but it's somehow involved).
Petter1 1 point 2 years ago
Interesting! Do you have checked the kernel log (there should be a backup from last session somehow iirc) , and do you know the name of the kernel module as well as your kernel version?
I want to check that code out if I see where it fails exactly
Or have you documented that issue already somewhere?
VerifiedSource 3 points 2 years ago
Linus likes to break driver interfaces every other Tuesday though. Meaning you can get stuck on an old kernel version, depending on your hardware. This happens pretty regularly for ARM based boards for example.
Natanox 31 points 2 years ago
This. It's a good distro to base something else on (like SteamOS), and therefore good to learn how distros work without the need to even now how software as a whole works (that would be Gentoo).
It's however horribly unstable, finicky and time-consuming as a daily driver as all the tiny adjustments and pre-configuration other distros make are missing by design.
It's good if you want to become the soldier.
bdonvr 17 points 2 years ago
horribly unstable
I think that's unfair. Despite the meme once you get it going it's pretty stable.
finicky and time-consuming
At first. But then once you're setup you can coast on years of just doing updates on my experience.
I'm not suggesting anyone who isn't excited to pick and configure all the packages on your system try it, to be clear.
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SaharaMaleikuhm 8 points 2 years ago
Different person, not in my experience. My Arch install caused me grief repeatedly. I had less issues when I was on EndeavourOS, so maybe I'm the problem. Still the verdict is the same.
IceFoxX 1 point 2 years ago
Arch was my first choice precisely because of the learning curve. As soon as nothing works with the other distros the user is completely overwhelmed because just like on Windows he is kept stupid and away from bash etc....
No, with every other "used" friendly distro I had such massive problems... and their wikis and other help end at the arch wiki anyway.
Edit: Btw I don't want to talk down the other distributions in any way. It's just my personal opinion. Especially since Arch Linux is not out for stability because of the rolling release, users naturally save themselves the trouble with distributions that are primarily out for stability.
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SaharaMaleikuhm 3 points 2 years ago
All the time and I'd also add issues caused by bugs introduced with updates. Using Gnome you have your addons break with every new version and don't get me started on Plasma 6. What a horrendous piece of crap. I still low key hate Plasma 6 even today.
underfreyja 1 point 2 years ago
I mean, I'm a relative gnu / linux noob, but so far Endeavour has been awesome.
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crater2150 17 points 2 years ago
Manual firmware updates
As someone who's work laptop no longer has Wi-Fi since the automatic firmware update, I like my updates to be manual.
dkc 10 points 2 years ago
I’m going to piggyback off your comment to take a moment to complain about System76 computers, which I own and enjoy. That being said I wanted to run Fedora instead of PopOS.
It’s super frustrating to me that many of my old computers could automatically do firmware updates using fwupd, but to update System76 laptops I have to install from a copr repo their system firmware update service.
The funny thing is they do appear to support fwupd, I assume they just aren’t maintaining it.
A Linux laptop for Linux people, but they’ve managed to set it up where you don’t get the best experience unless you’re running PopOS. It’s little frustrations like this that make me want to go back to a Del laptop for my next computer.
VerifiedSource 1 point 2 years ago
System76 can't feasibly support all the linux distros and their different versions. Especially an unstable cutting edge distro like Fedora. It's too much for such a small company.
back to a Del laptop
Does Dell still offer laptops with official Linux support?
dkc 2 points 2 years ago
My ask here is for System76 to use a popular and shared tool by many Linux distributions to do firmware updates (fwupd) instead of rolling their own solution only installed by default on PopOS.
I’m not sure if a Dell still offers Linux support out of the box, but you can still easily install firmware updates on multiple Linux distributions using fwupd.
coacoamelky 1 point 2 years ago
Supporting existing standards sounds good but it doesn't really seem to help improve things.
Allero 8 points 2 years ago
Debian and Arch are both the most important community-driven distributions for the entirety of Linux ecosystem.
However, I feel like they are both reasonably funded already, and supported by big names.
In my opinion, it is important to support the smaller distributions that many people overlook.
cupcakezealot 6 points 2 years ago
donates to Redmond
fahfahfahfah 2 points 2 years ago
Is that why my server keeps locking up?
TriflingToad 2 points 2 years ago
it's the day of the Linux desktop!
possiblylinux127 2 points 2 years ago
Supply chain attacks and software patches
VerifiedSource 1 point 2 years ago
Instead of donating to the distro, consider donating directly to the software projects you're using.
Distros write a little software as well, but mostly distribute software written by others.
VerifiedSource 1 point 2 years ago
90% of distros could vanish tomorrow and nothing of value would be lost. Without the software they are packaging, the ecosystem would vanish.
Natanox 3 points 2 years ago
Without distros there would be no Linux desktop ecosystem to begin with. Also who's to say what true value is?
Every distro comes with people who don't just maintain their own stuff, but contribute to the whole ecosystem. It doesn't need to be a Debian or Arch to be worth something.
So again, please don't start bickering about what's most important. It all got its place, and someone calling for donations for good thing A does not undermine good thing B. All good things need attention.
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I would always argue that any distribution which does not prioritize this principle is a hobby project, not a serious distribution for end users.
Which is fine, hobby projects are good, but they should be labeled accordingly to properly set user expectations.
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