Framework (2nd Gen) Event | 2025 Launch Event - Discussion
a year ago by uthredii to c/framework
I can't recall anyone ever asking FW for a desktop PC. It's like the one modern electronics product that's already modular. And it looks like they're selling them with mobile processors only also, which, why?
As for the convertible, there's no AMD option?
Nor did I see any details regarding pricing, and their website is 404'd to hell.
E: Got into the website, still no pricing available for 12" convertibel.
It's a great compute box and small form factor gaming machine. Perfect for supplementing a server with some local AI performance or using it as a living room gaming PC. Definitely not something everyone needs, but me and the friend I watched this with are already each planning to get one.
I would definitely have considered the Framework desktop in my younger days, when I didn't want a laptop, but the smalles desktop possible. But in what Framework do and is known for, I think it's a bit meh.
It will be an absurdly expensive gaming machine that's not repairable or upgradeable. You could get one with equivalent performance that is repairable and upgradeable for half the price.
For inference (running previously-trained models that need lots of RAM), the desktop could be useful, but I would be surprised if training anything bigger than toy examples on this hardware would make sense because I expect compute performance to be limited.
Does anyone here have practical recent experience with ROCm and how it compares with the far-more-dominant CUDA? I would imagine that compatibility is much better now that most models are using PyTorch and that is supported, but what is the performance compared to a dedicated Nvidia GPU?
ROCM is complete garbage. AMD has an event every year that "Pytorch works now!" and it never does.
ZLUDA is supposedly a good alternative to ROCM but I have not tried it.
Desktops are usually modular, but at that price, with that chipset, and in an ITX form factor, you are not getting something remotely repairable from other companies.
Actually, you aren't getting anything, because nobody is selling a desktop with that chipset for this price.
nobody is selling a desktop with that chipset for this price
Not yet, but it's still very new. There's only one other product you can buy with that chip that I know of, but there will be more, especially by the same this device actually becomes available for delivery.
I suspect that the PC was mostly made because AMD offered to let them release a fancy CPU and they wanted to make a product that would hopefully get a different audience to hear about them. Given the emphasis that it's just a PC, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't bother making new parts for it down the line unless it sells well enough that it can fund them continuing to make a PC line. Since, as they repeatedly pointed out, it's all standard connections, it's not a problem if they stop releasing new parts, unlike their other product lines.
The convertible will probably take a year or two to shake off the rough edges, same as the 13 and the 16 have/are still doing, I'm interested to see how it does down the line once it's been out for a while and they've had time to respond to user feedback.
I think the main thing with the desktop is that it's a release platform for AMD's new chip (the board is also available by itself), and that the high memory bandwidth is good for machine learning
The new Ryzen Ai APU has a surprisingly great iGPU. It is a lot bigger than the default size.
- They mentioned something to the effect of that chip being preferable for AI because of how its 128 GB of memory is so tightly integrated directly into the processor. I don't know much about AI, but that seems to be the only use this thing has going for it over the alternative. Also, I don't think they mentioned anything about it, but it looked like its case had at least two expansion card slots. Though that is far from revolutionary compared to a standard mini ITX PC you could build yourself.
- Nope, convertible was only mentioned to be 13th gen Intel.
- I do not recall prices being revealed for any of the other products, but the Desktop came in three SKUs, costing something like 1099-1999 USD.
Yeah, the processor itself is a big deal, but that processor will also be available in a myriad of other products, and the Framework one will be no more repairable or upgradeable. So they're not really bringing anything special to the table in that regard.
convertible was only mentioned to be 13th gen Intel.
I don't even understand why they even bother to make them available at all with Intel. They've been left in the dust for years by AMD. Who is buying these?
@Ulrich @SatyrSack I’m more interested in the chassis honestly, if it can be used with any ITX motherboard
There is also the new one key module for hopefully new community designs on input modules for the framework laptop 16.
I'm worried about Framework over-extending themselves with so many different products that each require a different set of parts. It's sure going to hurt the brand if in a few years they start discontinuing product line-ups with no upgradable path forward. For instance they didn't announce any new upgrades for the 16.
The Framework 12 better have a very competitive price or else it probably won't sell that good, if they are aiming for that target group.
A bit sad they didn't announce more GPU's for the Framework 16, but I'll just have to be patient.
Excited to order the new Framework 13 :D
Was there an AMD upgrade for the framework 16? I thought not?
Pretty disappointing. The 12 might be interesting, not enough details yet.
No OLED yet is lame
But.... A desktop that's less repairable than a regular desktop???? Why lol?
Can I buy the motherboard separately and use my own case though? This seems like something AMD could of released themselves 🤷🏻
yes, you will be able to at launch
They could and might eventually, but they aren't available right now, and I haven't found any announcements that they will be. Even then, we don't know what the price point will be. In many cases right now, prebuilts are not much more expensive than custom PCs.
Ryzen embedded has been a thing for years. I don't see how this is really any different.
Is that something people have been asking for? Wouldn't a full blown desktop with more powerful GPU be preferred for AI?
Isn't it just a mini-ITX case essentially? AMD could of just sold the motherboard themselves right, that's the important part of the equation? Am I missing something?
So AMD is exclusively selling these through Framework for some reason? Like it still seems like a desktop with less options. I could already buy mini-ITX cases, why didn't AMD just release the boards themselves?
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