Where is the outrage? Where have all the "humans" gone? Israel slaughtered over 400 innocent civilians in Gaza last night. Most of them women and children.

2 years ago by Farhad ☮️🆓🇵🇸 to c/palestine

Where is the outrage? Where have all the "humans" gone? Israel slaughtered over 400 innocent civilians in Gaza last night. Most of them women and children.

None of those with #Ukraine, #Canada, #Mexico and #EU flags on their profile raising their voice condemning this outrageous crime.

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The sheikh wandered around the city with a lamp

I'm tired of all the devils and the death, and seeking one human

They said it cannot be found, we have searched, As we said before

That which cannot be found I desire

Rumi
دی شیخ با چراغ همی‌ گشت گرد شهر
کز دیو و دد ملولم و انسانم آرزوست

گفتند یافت می‌ نشود جسته‌ ایم ما گفت
آن که یافت می‌ نشود آنم آرزوست
#poetry #Rumi #Gaza #Inhumanity #Death #politics #Israel #Genocide #WarCrime
@palestine@lemmy.ml @palestine@a.gup.pe @israel @iran

Zzyzx 118 points 2 years ago

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faab64 53 points 2 years ago

I'm so disgusted by hypocrisy of all the blue MAGAts so disgustingly silent about Trump bombings of Yemen and massacre in Gaza

These hypocrites were so loud about tariffs against Canada and Mexico

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Zzyzx 34 points 2 years ago

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alkbch 30 points 2 years ago

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thepresentpast 2 points 2 years ago

This is exactly the problem with lumping in everyone who is not a Trump supporter as "liberals". You end up with this completely misguided impression of who "liberals" are and what "liberals" do. It's become a meaningless term.

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Keeponstalin 15 points 2 years ago

Liberals as in a supporter of liberal or neoliberal economics, the Democratic Party is neoliberal. There were absolutely liberals who would justify the US striking Yemeni civilians and civilian infrastructure (like the commercial airport) as "FAFO, get rekt terrorists" because the Houthis had the morally correct position of imposing a blockade to apply pressure on the US and Israel to end the genocide. Which the Houthis followed through and stopped implementing the blockade during the ceasefire. All in the context of Yemen being under a US-Saudi-Israeli backed genocide that's been ongoing for years.

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bampop 11 points 2 years ago

Seems to be a common feature of US politics that words lose their meanings and become distorted into vague aspersions about categories of people, which in practice take on the meaning of "the enemy" or at least "the other", words degraded so that their main purpose is to divide.

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alkbch 1 point 2 years ago

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alkbch 9 points 2 years ago

They don't care about things that do not impact them, or people near them.

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stickly 1 point 2 years ago

It has been clearly demonstrated that vocal opposition to one of those things gets you disappeared by ICE

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alkbch 3 points 2 years ago

How many American citizens have been disappeared by ICE?

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Clinicallydepressedpoochie 6 points 2 years ago

I'm kinda still salty about letting agent orange back in the wh but what would you like me to do? I'm not really that knowledgeable on the subject so it's kinda difficult for me to form an argument other than, "let's not kill people." If that's your advise I'll give it a try. Again.

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Bloomcole 5 points 2 years ago

It affects them so you know what they will care and removed about.
They are even worse than maga bcs they're so disgustingly self absorbed and pretentious they think they are on the right side.
I really hope they get what they deserve.

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Wanpieserino 2 points 2 years ago

Ukraine affects me as a fellow European.

I'm not on the right side, I just want my family to live in peace.

Tariffs don't matter. The energy crisis didn't matter. COVID restrictions didn't matter. Those are just economic struggles.

It's safety that matters most.

Israel has been expanding their territory over the past century, it has been well covered by the media every time there's stuff happening. I remember Israeli taking the home of a Palestine family and the Palestinians just had to leave. This was a few years prior to the Hamas shooting at a festival.

If governments weren't handling Ukraine situation, energy crisis, COVID, etc. Then nothing would be happening.

There's people on the street here in Belgium, mostly young people and people from middle Eastern descent.

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Bloomcole 4 points 2 years ago

It’s safety that matters most.

There is nothing less safe than the US/NATO fueled paranoia and warmongering Russophobia.
And the spineless governments of EU aren't handling anything.
They do everything the US tells them to in the case of ex-ukraine or israel.
Nothing but vasals.
That they are sad now bcs their owner doesn't respect them while they've been such obedient little helpers will not change anything.
All it is is embarrassing.
People fail to see Europe's place in the food chain, our media certainly won't admit this.
And neither will they admit the consequences.
What they, and you as a result from their BS reporting, mislabel as 'energy crisis' is a direct result from sanctions and the pure US terrorist act of blowing up Nordstream.
You better believe that matters.
It means we can't compete economically, companies are relocating and we will be in massive trouble.
And to make it worse they double down and decide to spend even more money we haven't got on US weapons.
Who do you think will have to pay for that?
And all it does is get ups a step closer to war and put a large part of the population in poverty.
And I mean poverty like never seen before.
Well maybe not never since the situation is exactly like the 1930's.
And it will have the same result.
Angry population voting for extreme right.
The last step before we're ready to be sent to the Ostfront again.

There’s people on the street here in Belgium, mostly young people and people from middle Eastern descent.

Sure, about 50, the rest of the apathetic youth is gazing at their phone.

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jimmy90 -3 points 2 years ago

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BrainInABox 6 points 2 years ago

Indeed, which is ironic, given that their justification for their campaigns of extermination in the middle east is always "but Arabs are terrorists!"

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jimmy90 -4 points 2 years ago

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nargis 60 points 2 years ago

The poem is beautiful. This is truly the greatest moral stain of this generation upon the West; to have supported genocide, and not any genocide but the clearest case of genocide in this supposed era of 'progress' and 'open-mindedness' There is no progress, people are clearly just as racist, imperialistic and backward as they were in the 100s of years ago. A genocide unfolded and the 'enlightened West' watched on. How will you get the blood off your hands?

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eldavi 25 points 2 years ago

The same way that this same regime got the blood of the native Americans off its hands: you bury it in history books so that only intellectuals will learn of the full genocidal scope of it all while the rest ignore them, it, and label anyone trying to warn the rest about it as tankies or malcontents.

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nargis 14 points 2 years ago

Yes, but the ready excuse for the genocides of the past is, 'That was a barbaric age, everyone was awful. We are enlightened now. See, we gave gay people rights!' Well clearly, nothing has changed. They are still barbarously cruel. But since you're from lemmy.ml, I imagine you already know.

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eldavi 8 points 2 years ago

yes, preaching to the choir; but it needs to be said out-loud/in-writing nonetheless for the those who aren't aware.

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index 7 points 2 years ago

There is no progress, people are clearly just as racist, imperialistic and backward as they were in the 100s of years ago.

Don't fall for the propaganda and don't lose hope people are smart, governments are spending billions to brainwash them and keep them stupid, they are spending so much that they are in damage control because they can't keep up with it.

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sihil 2 points 2 years ago

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stickly -4 points 2 years ago

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BrainInABox 1 point 2 years ago

Least self-centered blueMAGA shitlib.

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snugglesthefalse -1 points 2 years ago

Is shitlib the only thing you know how to say? What's liberalism even got to do with anything here? Actually no I don't care, I've seen the other threads.

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BrainInABox 0 points 2 years ago

Is being a whiny selfish shitlib the only thing you know how to do?

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stickly -2 points 2 years ago

Thanks, I appreciate it 🙏

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BrainInABox 3 points 2 years ago

I know how important being completely self-centered is to BlueMAGA types like you.

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index 58 points 2 years ago

Where is the outrage?

It's there but media and the government are not covering it.

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faab64 11 points 2 years ago

@index I'm not seeing it on social media either.

Some small scale actions but nothing like those in south korea or other places

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index 14 points 2 years ago

@index I’m not seeing it on social media either.

On the fediverse there is

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Bloomcole 7 points 2 years ago

That is only bcs it is still small and has no impact.
The socmed that matters has long been put under control by the regime.
Or banned like TikTok if they can't.

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ChairmanMeow 11 points 2 years ago

I've seen plenty of articles on both the Guardian as well as the Dutch state broadcaster. Both have liveblogs with frequent updates.

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Bloomcole 11 points 2 years ago

Those 2 will surely mention Israhell has the right to defend itself.

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ChairmanMeow -1 points 2 years ago

They both cited Israel's given reason for the attack, the response from Hamas, the critique and condemnation from the UN, human rights organizations and several world leaders, as well as an expert opinion explaining that this could mean the end of the ceasefire.

Both were factual and neutral in their reporting.

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BrainInABox 16 points 2 years ago

Did they mention that Israel is blatantly lying about its reason?

Did they mention that Israel has repeatedly violated the ceasefire?

Did they identify that Israel is committing genocide?

Did they avoid calling the government of Gaza "a terrorist organisation"

Did they avoid calling IDF soldiers taken as prisoners of war "hostages"?

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Bloomcole 2 points 2 years ago

thanks hasbara person.
https://www.declassifieduk.org/...

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Devanismyname 32 points 2 years ago

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alkbch 21 points 2 years ago

Not at this point, always have been.

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Devanismyname 4 points 2 years ago

Don't get how some people can be supportive of that

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endeavor 4 points 2 years ago

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Keeponstalin 21 points 2 years ago

Always has been. Not to say Russia hasn't also been terrible, this kind of ethnic cleansing has been central to Zionism before Israel even existed

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BrainInABox 17 points 2 years ago

Always have been.

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vvilld 13 points 2 years ago

And this was done with the explicit approval of Trump. Fuck anyone who voted for Trump because "Genocide Joe." Yes, we all know the Democrats are absolutely fucking awful. We also knew before the election that Trump would be far worse for Gaza because he kept telling us he would be.

https://www.the-independent.com/...

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Devanismyname 6 points 2 years ago

This is why I think Trump can do whatever he wants and get away with it. People keep telling me his supporters have their limits, but I really don't think they do.

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thepresentpast 2 points 2 years ago

They don't. Lines they claimed to have last year have been erased and moved further out. They'll keep moving them.

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geneva_convenience 0 points 2 years ago

Democrats have already erased all limits and transgressed all red lines. Trump has a very easy time continuing their reign.

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Devanismyname 1 point 2 years ago

How so?

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melpomenesclevage 3 points 2 years ago

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13igTyme 0 points 2 years ago

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WoodScientist 6 points 2 years ago

Your kind of thinking is extremely dangerous. Strict utilitarian thinking leads to gas chambers. You can excuse a whole lot of evil in the name of the greater good.

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melpomenesclevage 1 point 2 years ago

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heretical_i -4 points 2 years ago

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Goodmorningsunshine 1 point 2 years ago

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BrainInABox 7 points 2 years ago

Can you fucking dipshit white supremacist American scum try to get it through your fucking burger grease clogged brain fat that real humans exist outside of your fucked up country.

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heretical_i 0 points 2 years ago

I didnt vote for either of the human scum they offered for sElection, Bitch. Bye @Goodmorningsunshine

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BrainInABox -7 points 2 years ago

This was also happening under Biden, you genocide denying scum, this is literally just a return to what was happening under genocide Joe.

We also knew before the election that Trump would be far worse for Gaza because he kept telling us he would be.

And by "far worse" you mean the genocide in Gaza would be exactly the same, but selfish comfortable liberals in the US like you wouldn't have their politicians sugar coating it in comforting platitudes to you in their domestic addresses. And that make you feel bad, and that's the only fucking thing you western white supremacists shitlibs care about.

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humanspiral 9 points 2 years ago

Understand that the US empire is evil, and zionist supremacist control over it is inescapable. Zionist oligarchy, and entire media, funding shifted to Trump in 2024, while in 2020 they picked the most Republican/Zionist/Neocon to win the DNC primary.

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BrainInABox 4 points 2 years ago

I do understand that, tell the genocide apologists that think genocide is only bad when its the Republicans doing it that

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vvilld 8 points 2 years ago

You seem to have an incredibly mistaken understanding of my personal politics. I was out in person protesting the Democrat's Gaza policy before the election. I'm not claiming or pretending like Democrats were good in any way at all. In fact, if you read my above comment closely, you'll notice that I pretty clearly said:

Yes, we all know the Democrats are absolutely fucking awful.

Nobody here is claiming that there was no genocide while Biden was in office. Of course there was. What I'm criticizing is people who believed the genocide would stop or that Trump would be better for Gaza. There is actually a difference in degrees and the Republicans are actually far far worse for Gaza and all Palestinians. Again, that doesn't mean that the Democrats are good. It means that the Republicans are even worse.

Also, I'm not a liberal.

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BrainInABox -19 points 2 years ago

You seem to have an incredibly mistaken understanding of my personal politics.

Don't care, you engage in genocide denial to support Joe Biden, that tells me enough.

There is actually a difference in degrees and the Republicans are actually far far worse for Gaza and all Palestinians

No. There isn't. The only difference is how they sell it to domestic Americans, and being the selfish western white supremacist that you are, that's all you care about.

Again, that doesn’t mean that the Democrats are good. It means that the Republicans are even worse.

They're not though, you're just a selfish PoS

Also, I’m not a liberal.

You are engaging in genocide denial to protect Joe Biden. You are a liberal at best

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Bloomcole 2 points 2 years ago

Nobody expects canadians with their right wing government and even worse massive extreme right wing Banderite lobby to have an idea about anything

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land 25 points 2 years ago

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geneva_convenience 22 points 2 years ago

The needle is moving. The latest genocidal attack has received far more negatively loaded coverage for Israel than ever before. Even TheGuardian and Reuters are starting to name Israel as perpetrator in their headlines. European countries are condemning Israel. Keep pushing for public awareness. Soon politicians will openly start condemning Israel because the overton window has shifted.

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ScoffingLizard 1 point 9 months ago

America: "Best we can do is worship pedophiles."

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NocturnalMorning 19 points 2 years ago

There is only so much capacity for people to pay attention to stuff. Eventually people get numbers to this kind of tragedy. It's a defense mechanism.

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faab64 15 points 2 years ago

@NocturnalMorning

That is how it works. Usually.

You don't have the energy or time to be brothered about the atrocities happening in the world, specially when the victims are not relatable to most the "civilized westerners".

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NocturnalMorning 25 points 2 years ago

Yeah, it's not that. I have yelled at people, snapped at my friends, and family over what's happening in Gaza. There is only so much a person can handle mentally. For the record, I do not support what is happening, and I will not sit here and listen to someone tell me this is my fault. I am one God damn person. They are deporting and arresting the people protesting for Gaza here in the U.S.

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Mog_fanatic 8 points 2 years ago

In addition to this I feel like there is severe fatigue over conflict in the middle east. It just seems like an absolutely neverending shit storm of violence and turbulence and no matter what there will be fighting. I'm an old bastard at this point and it genuinely feels like every day of my life there has been something going on over there. It always sucks and it's always a tragedy but if it goes on long enough people just grow numb to it. It's normalized to a large extent now. It sucks.

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index 8 points 2 years ago

You don’t have the energy or time

The system is designed and shaped around you not having any time or energies to do anything that isn't what you are told to do.

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nargis 4 points 2 years ago

Arundhati Roy mentioned! I love her books!

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Bloomcole -1 points 2 years ago

I'm sorry I don't buy this.
I say they CHOOSE to not see it for their own selfish benefit and it might inconvenience their little bubble.
They know they are part of the system and that they are guilty AF.

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burgermeister 17 points 2 years ago

I want my country to stop supporting this

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samus12345 13 points 2 years ago

Where have all the "humans" gone?

Gone to graveyards, every one

When will they ever learn?

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melpomenesclevage 6 points 2 years ago

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BlackSheep 3 points 2 years ago

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melpomenesclevage 1 point 2 years ago

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samus12345 2 points 2 years ago

Only metaphorically.

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Jax 3 points 2 years ago

Bold of you to assume they bother with yards and not just pits in the earth.

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Wanpieserino 12 points 2 years ago

Governments are largely those who decide what will be outraged by the majority of people.

There have been protests for east Congo here in Belgium and now Rwanda is cutting ties with my country for siding with Congo. It's a conflict that started in 2022 but I had no idea. It was just not covered. I still have no idea.

Palestine Israel conflict is well covered. I saw it on the news today, it was an hour long discussion. They showed Oxfam commercial about it, which includes a Belgian young celebrity. She then spoke about it.

The outrage bout Gaza is more present in the younger generation.

Politician of the social democrats at the table said that she hopes that Europe will put sanctions, as it's part of the trade agreement that it will be abolished when human rights aren't being respected.

Trump is choosing the side of murderers with money in each conflict.

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JacksonLamb 4 points 2 years ago

a conflict that started in 2022 but I had no idea. It was just not covered. I still have no idea.

Your country is on the right side of this.

The tldr is that Rwanda under Kagame has been stealth invading DRC for several years and is emboldened now to openly occupy using M23. His allies are the US and the UK and the target is the same as last time (DRC's vast mineral wealth).

The last Congo War involved a genocide (Bambuti). This one likely will as well.

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Bloomcole 1 point 2 years ago

IDK in what parallel universe you live.
You suddenly are going to only blame Trump now? Yuo sound like those US lib hypocrits. Guess who let them massacre relentlessly before him?
And Europe has done absolutely nothing, if not helped those genociders.
And like everywhere else in the western regime press, the conflict is not 'well covered'.
It is always biased towards shitrael.

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kittenzrulz123 11 points 2 years ago

That reminds me of a quote (kinda poem like) I made after directly seeing the destruction in Gaza

"One day the bombs will stop falling from the sky, the barrels will fall silent, and a "normal" will set in, but the soil will be forever drenched with the blood of the innocent"

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orcrist 1 point 2 years ago

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kittenzrulz123 1 point 2 years ago

What my quote means is that yes the war will end one day, but the deaths will always be remembered

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Jumpingspiderman 10 points 2 years ago

Over 400 in the latest bombings.

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RecallMadness 9 points 2 years ago

https://www.rnz.co.nz/...

Some politicians are trying to do something.

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WhatSay 8 points 2 years ago

*Looks through comments ... I think I found the outrage.

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Bloomcole 1 point 2 years ago

Did you not see my avatar change?!!!
I'm on the barricades here!!!

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faab64 0 points 2 years ago

@WhatSay you are joking, right?

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WhatSay 1 point 2 years ago

Whenever I can

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jsomae 8 points 2 years ago

🇨🇦 My MEP will be having a Q&A in a week and I will go and pressure him on this. I'm not sure what more I can really do.

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wampus 7 points 2 years ago

I've been negative on what's going on in Israel for a long time, but I admit I'm not overly motivated to go into the streets and clutch my pearls in dismay.

The Canadian govt and organisations in general, to my understanding, aren't really giving a ton of weapons for use in this crap. And clearly, our government's stance has basically zero weight with other countries at this point -- especially with the USA trying to annex us / starting preparations to conduct a Russian style invasion (they're listing 'fentanyl' as a WMD next, so that they can use the tiny amount that crosses their border as an excuse to invade their neighbours it seems).

The issue of the USA falling apart, given its historic central role in most western/democratic pushes, is a bigger issue for most of us, than the deterioration of an area that lacks democracy. I mean, the USA's authoritarian trend is what's enabling Israel to do these things in some ways. The states falling apart is also a lot more 'directly' impactful for citizens in western countries -- we notice when the USA decides to wage an economic war against us, more than we notice the atrocities occurring on the other side of the world.

There's also only so much time you can dedicate to 'protesting', in between working a regular job to provide for your basic necessities. People're tired man, and focusing on the protests that mean the most to them.

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Digit 7 points 2 years ago

That was possibly the hardest thing to take, surviving the genocide(s). The banal evil, the indifference, the apathy, the heads in the sand, so many wannabe good falling to inaction and wilful ignorance upon confrontation with the overwhelm at the horror... some even going back into denial. Horrible catch22s and psychological fatiguing as strategies to further defeat and divide us by. I KNOW it is hard, but still have compassion and sympathy for those who succumb to losing theirs, while encouraging them back to sense of empowerment, reassuring them, there is something they can do, they will seek it, find it, and do it. On and on. No room here for defeatist self fulfilling prophecies of despair and ignorance. Awaken, mendwards, because it's necessary. Amazing grace... We're not done here. We can still mend this.

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humanspiral 6 points 2 years ago

While Trump attacks every traditional US colony/ally, he is masterfully successful in getting them to all cower and increase division with Russia, Palestine, and in Canada's case, China as well. All of the colonies are simply shamefully isolating themselves in hope that their CIA handlers will ask Trump to be nicer to them instead of extorting their weakness much harder.

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KillingTimeItself 5 points 2 years ago

the outage is gone, you've used up your yearly alloted outrage quota, you will no longer experience anger, nor most other emotions.

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feedum_sneedson 3 points 2 years ago

Yes I think that's probably enough now.

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BrainInABox 2 points 2 years ago

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faab64 2 points 2 years ago

I never visited that site, it's worse than Minds.com and BlueSky.

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Cowbee 2 points 2 years ago

Hopefully the tide turns, and Palestine can be free. May the people of Palestine have strength, and the Zionist entity dissolve. One, single, secular state of Palestine for Palestinians and former Israelis alike.

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Blue_Morpho 0 points 2 years ago

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nargis 31 points 2 years ago

Why would US Arabs vote for Harris? They have nothing to lose. Both parties are unwavering in their pro-genocide foreign policy, what difference does it make to the relatives they lost? A person is most concerned with their immediate relations; their family, community and homeland. After so much death and destruction, personal loss and gaslighting by the media, why would they even give a shit? When you lose family, you lose everything.

It is strange you decide to criticise the powerless Arab voters instead of the Democrats who had all the power, money and influence to stop the genocide if they wanted to. But they didn't; they didn't care when Rafah was bombed and they don't care now, because they never cared about Palestinians. This would have happened even if the Dems had won. Punching down instead of punching up won't help; it simply makes you look like a selfish person who is only concerned with their issues. Criticise those in power, who had it coming because they had all the means to prevent this.

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FatCrab -17 points 2 years ago

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Lupa 17 points 2 years ago

We literally told her and the Dems what needed to happen in order to get our vote: commit to BDS. But they refused, and instead ran two very different campaign ads in SE Michigan and the rest of the country. That was our compromise and that was the Dem's choice, not ours.

Don't forget, voting for the lesser of 2 evils is still voting for evil.

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whostosay -12 points 2 years ago

Yeah. But when the lesser of two evils wins, there is less evil.

You know what doesn't happen when you abstain? Less evil.

The goal is and always should be less evil.

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Count042 16 points 2 years ago

'Vote blue no matter who' people like to say that it would have been different (with the implication that different would be better) but they very rarely say how.

The few times they do say how, it's generally the work of minutes to one documentation of Biden doing the exact same thing.

So.

How?

How would it have been different? And, because I'm emotionally drained from dealing with my cat dying, I'm going to specify that it actually has to be better, not just different.

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NewSocialWhoDis 2 points 2 years ago

I think Biden allowed genocide to proceed apace in Gaza. Full stop. This is just an attempt to answer your question about what would have been better under Kamala, presuming she would have been Biden 2.0:

Biden heavily pressured Netanyahu to open to border with Egypt to let aid in, even temporarily withholding military support to get him to do it. Additionally, Biden made an effort, however ineffectual, to airdrop aid and build a temporary dock to bring in aid on ships. Biden rolled over for Netanyahu, but there was at least the semblance that he was bothered by the civilian toll and attempted to lessen civilian suffering.

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PanArab 7 points 2 years ago

The genocide was enabled by the Democrats who provided the weapons and vetoes at the UN to keep it going. The Gaza Strip was already 80% destroyed before Trump became president.

I don’t know how you can trust Harris to be different when she didn’t even promise to be different than Biden.

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nargis 6 points 2 years ago

people like you would probably be saying how Trump would have fucked it up so hard that there’d have been no choice but to ceasefire or some such dumb ass mental gymnastics

I sincerely doubt it.

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Zzyzx 23 points 2 years ago

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UltraGiGaGigantic 10 points 2 years ago

It's more important for democrats to not change a single thing then it is to defeat the republicans.

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catsarebadpeople 2 points 2 years ago

But don't you see? It's the people that voted for Harris that are at fault somehow!

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anas 18 points 2 years ago

Hey, your country might be actively burning, but at least you can get some happiness from the fact that that people who didn’t vote with you (they didn’t vote against you either, but that’s not perfect enough) are dying, even though your leadership explicitly kicked them out of your party.

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faab64 9 points 2 years ago

Muslim voters were less than 0.2% of Trump's 77 million votes.

Stop blaming them for the disgusting failed society that breeds and support gascits.

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wpb -5 points 2 years ago

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elatedCatfish -10 points 2 years ago

Anyone with a lick of common sense knew how this was going to go under Trump. At least had the slightest chance to be different under Harris…

He literally was calling Biden a “very bad Palestinian” during their debate as if it was an insult…

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BrainInABox 6 points 2 years ago

Just going to deny that this was already happening under the democrats with the full support of Harris. Anyone who isn't a genocide denier knew how this would go under Harris, at least we got a few weeks of ceasefire under Trump

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BrainInABox 2 points 2 years ago

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elatedCatfish 0 points 2 years ago

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velma -12 points 2 years ago

He's not necessarily wrong. Muslims at least in Michigan voted exactly for this when they helped elect Trump.

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queermunist 4 points 2 years ago

They voted for the candidate that promised peace and wasn't actively doing genocide. Trump lied when he promised peace, clearly, but grave dancing because voters were tricked is vile.

We should be agitating them to action instead.

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BussyCat 15 points 2 years ago

Anyone that realistically thought Trump would help Palestine is a moron. Netanyahu is the person who is leading what is going on in Palestine and has applauded Trump on numerous occasions. It also wasn’t just Biden Congress was the one giving weapons to Israel and they have voting records.

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024217 what do you know almost all republicans

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Someonelol 12 points 2 years ago

Trump is a fascist liar. That's a well-known fact way before the first time he was elected. There's no excuse for having voted for him in the first place. Anyone who did so is a fucking idiot who's only going to make the misery spread far beyond Gaza now.

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velma 6 points 2 years ago

Trump has always been a liar, this is not an excuse.

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LudwigVonPseudonym -3 points 2 years ago

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PanArab 0 points 2 years ago

Did they vote for the genocide when they voted for Biden in 2020?

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velma 3 points 2 years ago

Trump was always going to be the worst pick. There’s no convincing me that Trump was ever the better vote for foreign affairs. I think it’s disgusting that he was voted in and the lies that were spread that he was going to be the peacekeeper were rampant.

That doesn’t mean I personally think Biden was against the genocide.

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finitebanjo -2 points 2 years ago

A large portion of the outrage was directed to POTUS Joseph Biden as a strategy to misinform the uneducated, and it all magically disappeared once Donald Trump won the election, as was always the plan.

We can talk about atrocities in Gaza all day every day, for decades, and even specific recent escalations of tanks on the ground and forceful ethnic cleansing and mass exodus plans laid out by the Israeli military leaders, but the time to actually do anything about it was back in November.

BTW, lemmy_ml is a tankie instance, aka the people doing the aforementioned misinforming.

P.S. I'd love to hear some ideas if anybody has any?

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PolydoreSmith 4 points 2 years ago

Are you suggesting that the tankies were the masterminds behind the public outrage itself, or that they’re responsible for the reporting on the genocide which led to the outrage?

Occam’s Razor would dictate that there simply was a significant percentage of Americans who were disgusted by genocide, and they tried to leverage Biden/Harris into addressing it. The Dems ignored them and lost because of it. Even if it was some communist plot like you think it was, their evil plans could have been thwarted by Harris simply listening to the concerns of her damn voters. A radical approach, I know

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finitebanjo -2 points 2 years ago

They're not responsible for much of anything, just a piece of a puzzle. Tankies, TikTok, Fox News, the Green Party, etc, they all feigned outrage long enough to turn the election in Trump's favor.

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Keeponstalin 2 points 2 years ago

A large portion was that people find genocide unacceptable and an actual red line, unlike Biden's "red line".

Here Are 34 Polls That Show A Ceasefire & Weapons Embargo Help Kamala Win

The Democratic Party chose not to do anything about it, at the expense of a significant amount of votes during a critical election.

Kamala Would Have Won With A Weapons Embargo

Support for Israel continues to fall. The majority of Democratic voters support Palestine more than Israel.

https://news.gallup.com/...

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finitebanjo 0 points 2 years ago

Anybody who chose more genocide over less genocide either never actually cared about it to begin with or lacked a second brain cell to rub the two together.

The fact that the outrage suddenly stopped for so many of them is evidence on the pile.

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Keeponstalin 0 points 2 years ago

The Democratic Party chose more genocide when they unconditionally funded and supplied it and refused to pivot to a weapons embargo.

Anyone with a braincell knows that to win an election you go for votes, not normalize fascist policy

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_carmin -6 points 2 years ago

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Bloomcole -21 points 2 years ago

too busy vandalising Teslas I presume.
Priorities for the libs

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rumba 4 points 2 years ago

vandalising Teslas

Not nearly enough of that going on to keep us from protesting. TBF we could stand to be burning a few more teslas AND get in some solid protesting.

Would be nice to have a community covering protests and amateur journalists anonymously posting, but then I don't want the government farming videos of that for targets.

Nobody can have nice things I suppose.

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Bloomcole -3 points 2 years ago

My comment clearly went over your head.

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rumba 1 point 2 years ago

You don't seem to possess that capability.

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Bloomcole -3 points 2 years ago

Not surprised.
Someone who thinks cowardly hitting the lowest in the food chain by burning their car and causing huge environmental dammage is in someway good wouldn't have the cappacity to grasp that.

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faab64 0 points 2 years ago

One of them got so mad when I said Tesla has become the plastic straw moment of Americans today.

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Bloomcole -8 points 2 years ago

It had to retreat to its safe space of ultimate moral superiority, poor thing.

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faab64 -4 points 2 years ago

@palestine @israel
@iran

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