Originally Posted By u/Particular_Log_3594 At 2025-03-23 11:53:01 AM | Source
alcoholicorn 56 points a year ago
The republicans fear their base, the democrats loathe their base.
alcoholicorn 15 points a year ago
Maybe, but the fear prevents them from expressing as much; they regularly change their positions and messaging to match whatever the rabid hogs that make up the core of their base are baying for.
Meanwhile democrats see it as a virtue to stand up to their base. West Wing has done irreparable damage to their brains.
humanspiral 10 points a year ago
Did DNC lose if most pro Israel candidate won?
RymrgandsDaughter 33 points a year ago
Exactly, this is why Chuck and Jefferies are making these plays while AOC is literally campaigning with an Independent candidate.
This is why Marshals weren't sent after Trump
This is why no Cases against election tampering were brought up. And no recount was called.
This is why Korne, these ridiculous illegal deportations, and near complete obliteration of the federal government is allowed.
Because Kamala could not have gotten away with letting Israel go hog wild like this. Corpo Dems can save face by saying that was Trump!
But Schumer is an idiot and he basically admitted that what Netanyahu is doing is what the Corpo Dems wanted. Between his goofy ass book tour and his "My job is to make sure the DNC stays pro-Isreal" it's all laid out in the open.
He's hoping the strangle hold idea that "we can't make or split the party" will keep the party together and behind his leadership. But if AOC said tomorrow that she was starting a new party because that DNC leadership will no longer oppose Trump and laid out proofs. I'd jump ship immediately. I'm hoping she and other get enough momentum that the party can fracture. Because that is the only way to get the country back, a complete rejection of Corpos.
Muaddib 3 points a year ago
Because Kamala could not have gotten away with letting Israel go hog wild like this.
We should have ruined her day by electing her president. We let her lose, and now she's laughing at us. We played right into her trap.
RymrgandsDaughter 2 points a year ago
We literally tried, and if the election tampering handed her the loss we did. That's why she didn't fight it at all. She'd have been fucked having to hold back Netanyahu for four more years
humanspiral 3 points a year ago
This is why Marshals weren’t sent after Trump
Before Oct 7th, thinking was Trump would be best opponent to prop up. We'd have a better democracy if he was in military prison/trials he couldn't indefinitely delay, or he had fallen out of a window.
no Cases against election tampering were brought up. And no recount was called.
Big evidence of DNC being pro Trump, or not enough zionist funding against election rigging.
illegal deportations, and near complete obliteration of the federal government is allowed.
Not sure I see the link to Israel there. CIA propaganda defunding would be neutral. Foreign policy abuses are likely designed to control genocide tolerance. All colonies have distanced further from Russia and China. Peace against Russia, has explicitly cited "meeting point victories" for controlling Iran.
Because that is the only way to get the country back, a complete rejection of Corpos.
US elections require massive money. Actual "only way out" is to declare Zionism a hate group, and invalidate citizenship/office of any politician supporting zionism, and zero out wealth of any donors/media supporting them. It is only path to neutralize money that is used to brainwash us.
RymrgandsDaughter 3 points a year ago
The link to the destruction of our government is hoping that Americans stop paying attention to Israel at all. "Who cares what's happening over there look here!" only works if there's no Internet and no way to nationally distribute information that isn't Corpo controlled.
It did require insane money but I think we are able to get around that because there are too many communication channels. Their only hope is to tire us out when it comes to pushing our messages and shadow banning. I definitely think that labeling Zionists as a hate group and a straight up terrorist organization is definitely the way forward. I think the same about Maga tbfh.
RymrgandsDaughter 2 points a year ago
The amount of people that are going to starve and die as a result of this will be unforgettable. If this was the Ds plan which it seems to have been it just further proves that these ancient fucks don't understand social media or technology in general.
20 years ago if police raided my home and sent me to another country illegally it would take weeks before an article was created telling my story if that. And even longer before randoms found out about it. Nowadays I can send texts and social media posts while they're busting down my door with video clips. Multiply that by millions.
We aren't going to forget the seniors that Musk has erroneously labeled as dead even though they're alive completely screwing them because we can see it happening in real time.
We're not going to forget the hundreds of people human trafficked to El Salvador because we have a list of names before the planes even landed.
We're not going to forget the Palestinian genocide and human trafficking. We're certainly not going to forget that Israeli soldiers have been told to sexually assault literally everyone they capture.
We're not going to forget Cucklefuck Schumer and the DNC whining about being useless when Mitch has done more with less.
If senior Dems think they're going to look like heroes they're so out of touch with reality that they'd think a guillotine is a crown.
humanspiral -6 points a year ago
Biden/Harris wasn't willing to shut down free speech at universities, with deportations, and funding threats. Schumer probably wanted Kent State.
Bloomcole 12 points a year ago
Biden/Harris wasn’t willing to shut down free speech at universities
The selective memory again.
He had plenty of protesters arrested facing serious exaggerated charges.
Let protest encampments be dismantled and students violently beaten by his heavily armed police forces and even fanatic zionists that could do what they wanted without any objection from the complicit regime.
All of these dems are 100% genocide collaborators and participants, if not traitors by harming their own citizens for the benefit of an even more horrible regime.
And he was certainly going to deport Palestinians.
He simply postponed it under prsessure, since they would've been dropped in the middle of a genocide.
finitebanjo -6 points a year ago
Democrats absolutely do care what their base wants, unlike the Republicans, but yes this sort of talk and action are why the DNC lost. Being the lesser evil very unfortunately wasn't enough.
finitebanjo -3 points a year ago
Child poverty fell by half under Biden, there was also the massive Bipartisan Infrastructure Investment, there was the largest ever investment into preventing climate change at 369 Billion USD, he attempted three times to cancel all college student debts unfortunately only managing to cancel a few tens of billions and instead creating the SAVE plans which lowered monthly payments down to $0 for many or greatly reducing payments for those over the income thresholds, protected gay marriages, etc.
And a shitload of other stuff that nobody talks about because BoTH siDeS BaD. 🤡
normalexit 3 points a year ago
I think I'm their base. I don't want genocide. I do want everyone to be happy and healthy and educated with healthcare and clean air. People should be able to afford things without working themselves to death.
I do not feel represented.
finitebanjo -4 points a year ago
Then maybe you should read the vote counts on most of the important legislation passed in the last 3 decades? Because I assure you that you absolutely are represented.
The worst score the DNC would have with your list would be handling Israel and Gaza but our guy was swearing at Netanyahu over the phone, building a pier to distribute aid, and withholding weapons shipments. The new guy, who replaced our guy, has bragged about fulfilling the delayed shipments, is backing a full and complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
So, I mean, hands down no competition. Remove Republicans at all costs. ALL COSTS.
DicJacobus 3 points a year ago path: 0 15970344 15992738 15993294, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 4
finitebanjo 0 points a year ago
It doesn't help that Schumer's term goes on until 2029 so the only way to primary him is to issue a recall. It's going to be a rough decade.
Coyote_sly 2 points a year ago
The only way to primary him. Not the only way to be rid of him, though.
TheThrillOfTime 91 points a year ago
America's so stupid this man is considered left.
cooperativesrock 26 points a year ago
He is not considered left by actual leftist Americans. We know he's a corporate shill.
finitebanjo 4 points a year ago
We all consider him a centrist democrat, as many of the oldest are. Some call them "the old guard."
blank_the_blank -1 points a year ago
I don't think you've been paying much attention then. Both parties have the same masters.
Wuorg 10 points a year ago
I'm not sure I follow. Did you mean to reply to a different comment?
Just in case: "I hate establishment Dems." =/= "I like Republicans." I have enough disdain in my heart for both. The post is about an establishment Dem, so that's what my comment was about too. I was directly replying to Chuck's remarks that "(his) job is to keep the left pro-Israel."
Ledericas 4 points a year ago
the same megadonors, dems just have more obvious right supporters, the DInos. im betting at least the DNC was afraid that trumps gop was getting massively more donations than The DNC, so they probably made deals and a "attempt to win the eleciton"
finitebanjo -4 points a year ago
I strongly believe, as I always have, that there is a solution to these problems that doesn't involve choosing between Palestinian Lives or Israeli Lives.
Israel is an aggressor, even if they were initially attacked first, and it seeks to benefit from war and violence, and this needs to be stopped, but that statement in itself is not anti-israel nor is any pro-israeli stance necessarily pro-genocide. The most pro-Israeli action I can think of is forcefully removing Netanyahu from power thereby averting a coup as he should not be eligible to rule given his many crimes.
Also, I hope we primary the fuck out of Chuck Schumer in 2029 (or even recall his ass) and that Democrats win lots of seats in the next election.
Wuorg 9 points a year ago
The problem is that when politicians like Chuck Schumer say "pro-Israel" what they mean is "I am in favor of the conflict continuing," if you read in-between the lines. He is not taking the same humanistic approach you are. I really can't emphasize enough how much Netanyahu and Israeli Jews writ large want the conflict to not only continue but to escalate (in case it needs to be said, no not all Jews, just specifically the ones benefiting from and perpetuating Israel's ethno-nationalism, and who also happen to own most of the legal and political power in Israel). That is to say, he enjoys massive support in his own country. Virtually the only major power that is backing them on this is the US. Everywhere else, Netanyahu is internationally recognized as a WANTED war criminal.
Moreover, I take issue with the notion that Israel is simply retaliating against some unprovoked terror attack. October 7th didn't just, like, happen in a vacuum. I could make comparisons to 9/11 and post-9/11 America--I wouldn't be the first to compare these things and it isn't a perfect comparison by any means--but a history lesson is perhaps outside the scope of a comment like this.
IndustryStandard 1 point a year ago path: 0 15974687 15992908 16013410, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
Semi_Hemi_Demigod 64 points a year ago
Anyone got a non-paywalled source for this? Chucky’s not usually this mask-off
Thanks for the ladder @Gem
President Trump accused him of being “a Palestinian” who was “not Jewish anymore.” A few days later, Schumer decided to postpone his book tour after joining Republicans to support a stopgap spending bill to avoid a government shutdown
And they say women are too emotional to be in office 🙄
A Jew stands up for his people regardless of the cost, and regardless of the politics of it. On this, Schumer has acquitted himself bravely.
So move to Israel if you want to stand up for them. They'll give you land.
Apocalypteroid 43 points a year ago
Must be tricky getting lefties to support a fascist religious ethno-state responsible for killing 50000 children in the past year alone.
DicJacobus 5 points a year ago path: 0 15986315 15993251, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 1
UnderpantsWeevil 3 points a year ago
Can start by polluting the narrative by trying to draw similarities between Israel’s plight… and Ukraines.
Its a very straight line. The US supports Israel. The US supports Ukraine. Ergo, Israel = Ukraine. Also, Palestinian = Russian.
Unless the President changes, at which point Israel = Russia and Palestine = Ukraine. Oh, no wait. Pete Hegseth is getting dragged on TV and my donors are mad at me for suggesting we pull money out of the arms export industry. Maybe Ukraine is good aktuly? Maybe we just stop talking about Ukraine entirely? Is there any way we can pivot to blaming China and kicking off a shooting war in the Pacific?
Poor Zelensky doesn’t understand that Israel doesn’t give a mortal fuck about them and their struggle.
Zelenskyy doesn't get that Slav ranks below cockroach and above Arab in the western white nationalist lexicon. He's expendable on a good day.
collapse_already 41 points a year ago
If he was serious about that aim, wouldn't he be trying to stop the Palestinian genocide? That's a big factor in why so many people no longer support Israel. Bombing hospitals and daycares is never going to be popular with "your" base, Chuck.
electric_nan 19 points a year ago
The whole "point" of the Zionist project is to consolidate and expand the Israeli state. The plan has always been to erase Palestine. Stopping the genocide is, in essence, anti-Isarel.
UnderpantsWeevil 5 points a year ago
If he was serious about that aim, wouldn’t he be trying to stop the Palestinian genocide?
Might as well ask why the German-American Bund wasn't trying to stop the Nazi genocide.
My guy hates Arabs. He hates Muslims. He hates them so much that he wants them wiped off he face of the earth.
SplashJackson 1 point a year ago
If he's such a hater, why's he your guy?
UnderpantsWeevil 3 points a year ago
Cause I heard we needed him to Beat Trump
finitebanjo 2 points a year ago
TBF there were many attempts to create lasting peace by the DNC. It's not like they showed up in the morning, got on the phone with Netanyahu, and said some shit like "yeah have you considered making them dig the pits for you?"
DragonTypeWyvern 15 points a year ago
How to order a CIA hit on them
IndustryStandard 6 points a year ago path: 0 15984225 15996054, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
FreeHat 6 points a year ago
I think it is, it’s a flex that his fellow dem senators will not call for his resignation no matter how openly vile he is about it, and they’re keeping pretty quiet right now letting the house say it instead.
PanArab 33 points a year ago
Money talks. According to Open Secrets he received $1,727,974 from pro-Israel lobbyists
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S
DicJacobus 0 points a year ago path: 0 15971372 15993377, hotness: undefined, score: 0, children: 6
BrainInABox 1 point a year ago
the Oct 7 attacks were brutal, and demanded a response
The response it demanded was to for Israel to end it's brutal oppression of Palestinians: end the bombings, end the blockade, end the land theft end the murders, end the kidnapping and release the thousands of Palestinian detainees.
many would suggest it was a caluclated move by Russia,
Many insane BlueAnon conspiracy theorists who have been trained to reflexively blame all the world's ills on Russia.
DicJacobus -2 points a year ago path: 0 15971372 15993377 16004160 16008222, hotness: undefined, score: -2, children: 4
BrainInABox 3 points a year ago
Israel does it all the time.
finitebanjo -2 points a year ago
Yes, actually. That's basically the entire Biden administration time period.
Withheld military aid, funding aid to Palestinians, threatening to stop protecting them from the UN were all tactics used to make Netanyahu negotiate, but clearly it was always Netanyahu's plan to waste time and draw things out until the Single-State backing Trump admin could take power.
TBH I think it would have been better to just forcefully remove Netanyahu from power under the guise of protecting Israel from a coup.
smol_beans 25 points a year ago
For establishment dems sticking with israel was always more important to them than beating trump, and chucky still cares more about israel than helping americans oppose trump's policies. The dem establishment is such a thorough failure that I hope it goes extinct
Ledericas 4 points a year ago
thats probably why they strung along trumps case, they never were going to convict him, it made good propaganda for keeping the funding for israel(trump was thier ticket to get continually funded by billionares of both parties, and they more than likely made deals behind the scenes on what they will vote on), and the donations both parties. and people were pointing out how the courts move extremely slowly for trump and extremely fast against luigi.
barnaclebutt 24 points a year ago
Listen we, the Democrats, are pro insider trading and baby killing. If you have a problem with blowing up a hospital full of poor people, then this just isn't the party for you. Fuck you.
FilthyHookerSpit 5 points a year ago
If you don't like it, go vote for the other party. That also supports: blowing up hospitals full of poor people, insider trading and baby killing.
barnaclebutt 4 points a year ago
Also, fuck you.
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RymrgandsDaughter 19 points a year ago
This is why Dems struggle, despite all this bullshit because the leadership is these ancient stupid fucks.
I hate chuck
I hate Netanyahu
I hate the genocide to human trafficking pipeline they have going on.
like what the fuck is that
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Fedizen 1 point a year ago
Its because Israel is a "US ally" doing these things. Though, yes, Saudi Arabia, etc is usually the second on that list for a similar reason. We should be more invested in stopping countries using US munitions to do war crimes as we have some degree of control over that.
Ghosthacked 15 points a year ago
Apparently the survival of America isn't as important.
His job is to pin up the carcass of America to be stripped to the bone while carving out his little bit before the cult fully takes over.
When the feeding is over, he'll just catch a plane flight and get out of the country if things get really bad.
IndustryStandard 4 points a year ago path: 0 16005997 16009885, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
beejboytyson 4 points a year ago
I think he knows exactly what his job is about.
UnderpantsWeevil 14 points a year ago
Anti-Catholics in the 1960s: "You can't elect JFK to the Presidency! He'll bend his knee to the Pope!"
Liberal Democrats in the 2020s: "We're bending our knee to the Likkud party chairman".
FireAtWill 13 points a year ago
The pro-Israel propaganda machine is finally starting to falter. What sealed the deal for me is AIPAC going around getting the states to outlaw Israel being boycotted.
Ledericas 3 points a year ago
first cracked when they start taking over r/worldnews, then it spread to fetterman,+ University donors that were quashing anti-israel sentiment,, + actors like seinfeld and her wife bankrolling protests.
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HawlSera 12 points a year ago
That's always been my problem with Israel, America writes them blank checks on the regular and even funds their single payer healthcare plans, meanwhile actual citizens of America get table scraps, but only if the Government is filling particularly generous
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Coyote_sly 9 points a year ago
The Democratic party is honest to God just entirely summed up with taskfailedsuccessfully.jpg isn't it?
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SpicyLizards 9 points a year ago
How's that been going chuck?
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ILikeBoobies 4 points a year ago
I am pro-Israeli the people but not pro-Israel the government maybe it’s because I’m not American but what is he doing to further this goal?
Comment105 4 points a year ago
Chuck Schumer is pretty much the stereotype. But what's important, it seems to me, is that the stereotype (and power) isn't as widereaching as conspiracy theorists think.
The most notable part of "religious control" is that Non-Christians successfully got some periods of mostly separated church and state in America. Expressly Jewish interests stand out more clearly against that backdrop, in my opinion. American government allowing for such obviously religiously motivated policy despite the intent to separate church and state makes some sense in the context of the Holocaust, but makes less sense in the context of Israel's actions.
jaggedrobotpubes 1 point a year ago
"Keep" lol.
FireAtWill 1 point a year ago
I've never heard Schumer say anything close to that. That's political suicide anywhere but NYC, I'd say.
Wilco -2 points a year ago
As your basic Independent/Democrat ... I don't give two shits about the Middle East. They were killing each other a thousand years ago, and a thousand before that ... nothing will stop it. A politician should not be more worried about the middle east than his own country.
drunkpostdisaster 6 points a year ago
It was not always like that. More often then not the area was somewhat united under some kind of empire.
Hell, Europe can't even go a century without setting new records in killing each other.
Ledericas 2 points a year ago
i was saying the election wont swing either way wether you support gaza or israel, because both parties supported, and voters generally arnt concerned about foreign issues as they are domestic issues.
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alcoholicorn 7 points a year ago
It's a good that Israeli bombs can't hurt gays/queer people.
I'm sure the gay/queer people in gaza are happy to be subjected to starvation.
FireAtWill 5 points a year ago
This is the pot calling the kettle black, methinks.
BrainInABox 4 points a year ago
Israel has murdered four orders of magnitude more queer people than Palestine
OldChicoAle 4 points a year ago
You're evil because you spread evil, lies, and hatred. May you never sleep peacefully
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This is why democrats lost. They don't care what their base wants.
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