He served his country and voted for Trump. Now he has regrets.
2 years ago by MicroWave to c/politics
Summary
Anthony Muro, a Marine veteran and former VA hospital worker, regrets voting for Trump after being fired amid sweeping government cuts led by Elon Musk.
Muro was one of 25,000 probationary (new) federal employees terminated, including 1,700 VA workers. Despite court orders deeming the firings unlawful, he remains on administrative leave.
Muro criticizes Trump’s efficiency drive as harmful to veterans, saying cuts damage morale and care quality.
Many VA staff and veterans fear reduced services and long-term impacts on healthcare. Muro hopes to continue helping veterans despite his uncertain future.
Appreciate you for all of that. Thank you
They only start caring when Trump’s decisions hurt them. Given he voted for Trump, I bet he couldn’t care less about all the people Trump has hurt in the last 8 years.
"[But] when you’re dealing with veterans, you have to be more intentional with your actions."
Translation from Republican bullshit: "I voted for Trump to hurt other people. He wasn't supposed to hurt me."
Asshole.
Yeah. I hope they cut even more as a giant "get fucked". They'll all vote red again next time anyways, so might as well go hard I guess.
This is directed toward the vets that voted red. If you didn't, please disregard lol
Just gonna keep putting this out there. All of us, by just being here aren't average or normal people. They are. And while it can be fun and cathartic to ridicule them. Local news papers everywhere have gone bust. Local television stations across the country were struggling and swept up like a lot of AM radio stations. Into a national propaganda sphere. Cocooning these people in a sealed misinformation bubble.
It doesn't matter that the facts are available on the internet. Lots of people still live their lives without it. Even then, there's just as much misinformation and confirmation bias on the internet. We desperately need to find some way of reaching these people and exposing them to the lying media they rely on. Plenty of them would be up in arms and outraged if they fully understood. We need to focus on outreach to groups like this more than ridicule. Their regret may be too little too late. But ultimately something is more than nothing. Fascist groups like Sinclair will get us all killed if we don't.
You certainly won't save any if you don't try. Personally I have saved a few. It's not easy. And there's definitely some work to put in. But moments of heavy cognitive dissonance like this. Are the perfect time to reach out and put in the work.
Yes you bring up many valid points. But the very same networks that they consume were showing trump, and trump saying that he would do these very things, or at the least how he hates veterans.
Part of the most powerful aspects of propaganda is repetition. If anything they watched touched on it. It was minimal, and framed with targeting "others". Then countered with 10x other praise and positive coverage. To allay their fears. It's how propaganda works. And we would be foolish to think that we are immune to it ourselves. We just have to take our openings to break through the propaganda where we can find them.
Realistically you can only deprogram the ones that are open to it. And the best way to do that honestly is by listening and treating them like adults. Holding back on ridicule Etc. Asking questions about their beliefs that they themselves have never asked. That if they honestly look into what expose the Sham they've allowed themselves to be victims of.
They're convinced that there's an immigrant crime wave. There isn't we know there isn't there's no data to support that claim. But don't just shout that at them and dismiss them out of hand. Ask them to go Source information on that. Not from drudge Breitbart or Fox news. From an actual law enforcement source that is required to be truthful and accurate. Similarly they are convinced that all government waste and fraud occurs with entitlements. Which again is often the furthest thing from the truth. Again we have plenty of information and numbers to show that most waste happens in defense spending Etc. That generally entitlements while not perfect are some of the lowest fraud. Because of all the bullshit Hoops that have been put in place to hurt minorities and vulnerable people. Again don't dismiss it outright or shout them down. Ask them to cite numbers from the organization's involved to confirm their beliefs.
If they are honest, sincere, they will struggle and flounder. Even then don't admonish or shout them down for being wrong. Follow up with more questions such as if you can't find evidence of your beliefs. Maybe someone's been lying to you and what you've been told isn't true. Even if you do not leave there with them converted. You've planted the seed that might break them free. That's about the only deprogramming the average person will be able to do.
No, you know what? Fuck that. This man watched as Trump's goons stormed the capitol and tried to overthrow the government. Those are the enemies this jackass swore to defend the constitution from. What, I'm supposed to cut him some slack because he was talked out of moral outrage by people like Jesse Watters? Fuck that guy. He deserves zero sympathy.
No they're still responsible for their actions. No one's asking you to absolve them. Just not crucify them. I had a similar discussion with a loved one who saw the very same thing and was repulsed by it initially. But ultimately voted for trump in 2024 The repetition of propaganda is very powerful. It can make you disbelieve your eyes and ears. Anyone not just them. But they are going to have to live with it now. However bringing them to our side. Having them fight along with us. Despite their sins. Would be far more preferable than facing them and the actual fascists.
The people of Nazi Germany weren't monsters. Though they enabled and even did monstrous things at the behest of monsters. The least we could do is not make it easier for the actual monsters to do this again. Offer those "unclean" an opportunity to escape the path they've set themselves on and possibly do something to remedy it. If they still refuse then it's on them and whatever God they've failed.
You know what historians call the German people who voted for the Nazi party because of propaganda, or economic reasons, or because they just plain liked the cut of Hitler's jib? Nazis. Historians call them Nazis.
You're talking about fighting "the actual fascists", but if this guy's joined the cult of fascists, then he's a fascist too.
Edit: also - the fuck you mean offer them a second chance? This election WAS the second chance. Third, actually. Just how many chances do you want to give out? They aren't free, you know.
“Everybody can admit that we need to look at efficiency. It’s been a problem for decades,” Muro said. “[But] when you’re dealing with veterans, you have to be more intentional with your actions. You have to be more surgical. … It’s almost like he’s trying to tear the VA down.”
When you're dealing with... anything... mate.
Yea, it's almost like he's trying to tear your whole government apart
It's like even now he's just bummed that it happened to him or people he knows but still doesn't see the big fucking picture.
Yeah... No sympathy here at all. 61% of veterans voted for trump after they were already screwed over in Trump's first term and told to their faces that project 2025 involved screwing over veterans this time around and the majority of them voted to be bent over and screwed.
Well good sirs and madams, welcome to your dildo of consequences, they rarely come lubed, enjoy your stay in destination fucked.
@MicroWave He served his country then betrayed his country. Now I have regrets and don't care about his.
"no no no, hurt THOSE people" ~ that guy probably
Same old same old
Yes, I certainly feel bad that the guy who took an oath to defend the constitution and then betrayed that oath by voting in a traitor is having a hard time now because of that vote. I am so, so sympathetic.
Look dude, if one ever does admit as such to me in person i will put on my best customer service smile, lie through my goddamn teeth, and pretend they're not, at best, a fucking dumbass because yeah, any port in a storm and all that. As far as right now though? Let people vent. It's highly unlikely the dipshit in the article is reading this thread and I ain't kissing phantom ass.
What's infuriating to me is that people like you like to constantly shift the responsibility for these shitheads' behavior onto the people who call them shitheads for being shitheads. What, am I supposed to flatter the traitors in the hopes that they'll choose to not be traitors anymore? Should I buy a sheet of gold stickers to hand out? Fuck that and fuck you for sticking up for them. They are adults and 100% responsible for their own actions.
The media is addicted to centering the Trump voter. They ran plenty of stories about voters with buyers remorse in his first term, at this point its simply 'I told you so' porn. We're not learning anything new, especially not the Trump voters.
Well, him and his MAGA buddies can go suck Dick in alley to make ends meet.
Gotta pull yourself up by your bootstraps. That's the MAGA way, right?
Most soldiers aren't politically astute. On the other hand SCOTUS folk, who are supposed to be wise and informed, gave Krasnov the green light to completely ignore the judiciary - that's a whole 'nother another level of stupidity.
Jeenyusus... All of them.
Fuck him, he EARNED his firing.
If he got his job back, he'd vote for HitlerPig again in a second.
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