Trump signs executive order requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote in federal elections
2 years ago by return2ozma to c/news
Do ya one better. Make voting mandatory.
Now THAT would end the Republican party forever. And it would be an easy sell for Democrats too.
"Since our president loves democracy and voting integrity so much, let's pass a bipartisan law requiring all eligible citizens to vote or face penalties of fines and imprisonment."
Then watch the mental gymnastics of MAGAs trying to argue how mandatory voting and voting in general is a bad idea.
These are the same Republicans who stand for less government interference. You really think they will agree to force their people to vote?
They only want less government in regulation of businesses to make easier and more profitable to plunder society.
Otherwise they're all over the idea of telling people what to do or think or who to worship, etc.
less government interference
Trump has made his first quarter all about tariffs and deportation. We need to drop this decades-gone lie that they ever cared about reducing government.
Even this EO is interfering in state's rights.
I don't think this is clear cut anymore. Low information voters broke very hard for Trump. Democrats have work to do to win back the average voter, but the adage of "we win when people turn out" broke in this last election.
Democrats need to get off their ass and offer something better. The fact that Trump won so handily should be a damn wake up call that they are out of touch. Republicans message sucks ass, but it still beat the hell out of Democrats. The party leadership needs an overhaul because they are floundering and trotting out these old adages excuses how piss poor they've done leading the party.
Voter turn-out was low last election. Turns out drum circles with Oprah and other Hollywood sycophants while substituting all policy discussions with "uhh...JOY and ORANGE MAN BAD!" was not a winning strategy. If everyone is forced to vote you would see a lot of odd things. Most of them not great for either Republicans or Democrats, but ultimately healthy for a liberal state.
"Why do you hate freedom?" :)
Look at the pushback on mandatory vaccinations...
I am all for mandatory voting in the US for everyone over the age of 18. Voting is not just a right but a civic duty and everyone should be required, and enabled, to carry it out.
As for those worried about paying for it take a percentage of every political donation/contribution to candidates, parties and PAC's and fund it with that.
Get paid $100 to vote
Vote or pay a hefty fine. I like that one better.
Not everyone needs a real ID, and you'd just be preventing poor citizens from voting.
Real ID is becoming a requirement for all state issued IDs. Let me see what the current deadline is:
May 7th.
"Do I need a REAL ID?
Yes, if you...
Are 18 and older and will travel in the U.S. by plane after May 7, 2025, without a valid passport.
Visit military bases, secure federal facilities or nuclear plants.
No, if you...
Have a star on your license, permit or ID (this means you already have a REAL ID).
Prefer to use an unexpired, government-issued passport for U.S. travel.
Do not travel the country by plane.
Do not visit military bases, secure federal facilities or nuclear plants.
Are under 18 years old. TSA does not require children under 18 to provide identification when traveling within the United States."
You are not forced to get a Real ID and can stick to a state only drivers license (if you want).
It's a requirement for those listed things.
So you only need it under certain conditions. It's not a requirement to vote. So most people don't need it, because the vast majority of people don't visit military bases, secure federal facilities, or travel via aircraft.
Voting is a fundamental right. You really want to make it so only people wealthy enough to fly places get to vote?
In California:
It costs thirty dollars.
Who wants to vote, but doesn't have thirty dollars? That's like three bananas.
And there are lower prices if you have low income.
And homeless people get them for free.
And ages 62+ get them for free.
Like I say, motor voter states already have the requirment, just make all states motor voter, flip to 100% vote by mail, and tell the Republicans "mission accomplished" and watch them lose their goddamned minds.
Louisiana just declared a state of emergency over their aged license system, they're saying if you need to fly you might need 180 days to go through their accelerated program to get a real id
Getting a real ID isn't a requirement to register to vote at the DMV. You could also be there to get a regular ID, register your car, etc. This is how we do it in Oregon and we also have regular election offices too. The very people you're talking about are much more likely to visit the DMV at some point than visit an election office.
A lot of people don’t have IDs or licenses, they cost money, you have to take time off of work to get them, which also costs money, and a lot of people have barriers to getting ID if they lack supporting paperwork, like a birth certificate, bills in your name to prove address, three forms if ID, etc. heck lots of people don’t even have an address at all. People who don’t have easy access to supporting paperwork, who don’t have addresses, or can’t afford fees are all allowed to vote. This cuts a lot of the most vulnerable people in the country out of the democratic process, which is why the righties are always pushing for this stuff. They’d rather that the people who stand to lose the most from right wing policies be unable to vote against those policies.
I hear that argument a lot and I don't buy it. You need to have valid ID to do EVERYTHING in our society.
For example:
To get a job.
To get a bank account.
To file for unemployment benefits.
To see a doctor.
To drive legally.
To buy a car.
To rent a car.
To rent a hotel room.
To rent an apartment.
To buy a house.
To have insurance.
To file taxes.
To fill a prescription.
To buy alcohol.
To buy tobacco.
To enter a weed shop (where it's legal).
To buy M rated video games.
So you have to convince me that someone doesn't have ID, doesn't do ANY of that, and yet still somehow wants to vote?
I don't buy that argument, maybe a handful of people, maybe the Amish, but not enough people to matter in an election.
It is understandably difficult to believe these things when they are outside your realm of experience. These people exist, and in greater numbers than you are likely to realize, whether you believe that these people exist in great enough numbers to sway elections is neither here nor there. They have a right to vote and should be included (though it is worth noting that congressional elections are often decided by very narrow margins). There have been plenty of these people in the communities i’ve lived in, and at various periods in my life I’ve been one of these people. You’d be amazed at how you can get by without ID if you have to. A lot of the things you’ve listed don’t actually require a state issued ID, you might think they would, but there’s almost always a workaround. You don’t need it to get a job, only a decent job for a reputable employer. most will ignore legalities in my experience, if they think they can get away with it. You don’t need ID to fill a prescription, just your birth date. ID is not necessary to apply for benefits, most homeless people don’t have proper ID and are still eligible. ID is not necessary to buy a used car from the owner, nor to file taxes, nor to rent a sublet or a room in someone’s home. Lots of people don’t have bank accounts, they use cash or buy prepaid debit cards for things that you can’t pay with cash. You don’t need ID to visit a clinic, You ABSOLUTELY don’t need ID to go to a weed shop. I’ve visited many and have never been asked for one. Heck, I haven’t been carded for alcohol in probably 30 years. So yes, you can do most of these things without ID, it’s just a pain in the ass. Some of the things on your list are just luxuries. What you can’t do without ID you learn to live without, which now includes voting I guess.
Again, I really, sincerely doubt that and have seen no actual evidence to the contrary. Hypotheticals and mathematical models, but no actual evidence people are disenfrachised in this way.
We do have evidence that they are disenfrachised in OTHER ways, limiting polling locations, polling hours, blocking people from supporting voters in long lines with water, etc etc etc. All of which can be addressed with 100% vote by mail.
You do not need ID to buy alcohol / tobacco, at least in California and Texas.
The rule is that you can't sell to a minor. Different forms of ID would work, but even then, if you know they're old enough you don't need to ask.
Maybe other things on the list are more complex too / have gray area.
Must not be the "We ID under 40" states.
Here, you can't turn around without ID.
No. Absolutely not. What you're describing is a Republican voter suppression tactic. It benefits Republican candidates, and Republicans have been admitting that for almost a decade.
Oregon, a blue state, like super blue, sapphire blue, the bluest blue that ever blue, has been doing this since 2016.
The point being motor voting and vote by mail works, even if it is tied to a state ID and it's not a Republican thing.
Look at the election turnout in Oregon compared to national turnout since enabling motor voting in 2016:
2016 - 80.33% vs. 59.2%
2018 - 67.8% vs. 53.4%
2020 - 78.5% vs. 65.3%
2022 - 66.9% vs. 46.8%
2024 - 75% vs. 63.4%
Sources:
"Since 2012, the last election before the new system, the percentage of eligible Oregonians registered to vote has increased from 75% to 94%."
It’s not that easy to get a Real ID. I struggled to get one because I’ve been moving a lot lately and they require a bunch of documents pointing to the same residential address. I was only able to get one after I settled down long enough to meet that requirement.
You need 2 documents as proof of address. So a utility bill + something else. Electric bill + phone bill. Done. Credit card + internet. Done.
They wanted 3 documents. There was a typo in the copy of my lease I was able to get (previous year) so I couldn’t use that. I was sharing a phone plan and it was under someone else’s name. Electricity and internet were included in rent.
Then you talk to your landlord and fix your lease, super easy.
Well, the problem is Republicans being dicks, which is kind of a given.
But if the country does what Oregon has been doing for years, you tie voter registration to state ID and suddenly 94% of those eligible are registered to vote, and with vote by mail, 80% are turning out.
At which point the Republicans get what they want and still have heart attacks.
I know you've recieved a lot of replies already, but the major issue with your plan is you would have to do this every election cycle. A lot of IDs get replaced between 4 and 22 years, not annually.
The way it works here is you register when getting a drivers license, then if you move or something, when you update your DL information, you update your voter registration.
Same thing for DL renewals and such.
See thats exactly what the executive order prevents. You can't be registered automatically, a person would have to provide proof of citizenship every election cycle if this gets enforced.
Proof of citizenship is part of the drivers license process now.
If they making obtaining a verified id free, sign me up. Forcing citizens to spend money to exercise their right to vote sounds illegal. I'm not an expert, do not quote me, just my thoughts.
would that include a ride to the DMV that might be unreachably far away?
would that include forcing all DMV locations to remain open 7 days a week and until late at night, so folks who have to work earlier and later than their DMV' business hours could actually participate?
would it include the costs of replacing other required documents if lost, like birth certificate or social security card?
would it reimburse lost money from having to take unpaid time off of work to go get this "free" ID?
would it compel employers to give workers time off, so workers whose employers deny them even unpaid time off have some legal protection?
In some states that have mobile DMV events where they come to local towns to help people sign up that can not easily get to the department directly.
Maybe maybe it possible to sign up for the free id at local government offices or libraries.
Just thoughts.
By its terms, Article I, Section 4, Clause 1, referred to as the Elections Clause, contemplates that state legislatures will establish the times, places, and manner of holding elections for the House of Representatives and the Senate, subject to Congress making or altering such state regulations (except as to the place of choosing Senators).1 The Supreme Court has interpreted the Elections Clause expansively, enabling states "to provide a complete code for congressional elections, not only as to times and places, but in relation to notices, registration, supervision of voting, protection of voters, prevention of fraud and corrupt practices, counting of votes, duties of inspectors and canvassers, and making and publication of election returns."2
IANAL: This sounds like more grandstanding to appease his cult sure to be challenged.
Yeah, my view is he looks to throw out as much insane bullshit as he can and see what he can make stick.
From his perspective it costs virtually nothing beyond a pen and paper, and it either wastes a bunch of resources and time for opposition, or he gets what he wants if it goes unopposed, basically win/win for $0.
How to stop him is another matter, but ones like this 'should' be easy wins.
Thanks for this.
Our king need not concern his highness with trivialities of law.
Never stopped him from trying before, though.
How about a breathalyzer unlock dipshit's signal app?
Who, you mean Whiskeyleaks?
No Signal, official gov communication lines only.
And just like that, F-47 ended illegal voting ladies and gents!
Outside the theatrics for his idiotic base, has anyone informed Felon-47 that this is already the case?
The problem is the US in the past has designed voter registration rules explicitly to prevent black people from voting.
This talk of voter fraud is a dog whistle. Election fraud is way more prominent than voter fraud.
I think the argument is that its somehow racist or prejudice against a group that doesn't know how to get IDs. Ive never seen a solid argument against providing proof of citizenship to vote. I think the main complaint against it is Trump is doing it.
People don't know how to get ID? In my country you just get that shit on the mail with your new address whenever you move...
mail with your new address whenever you move
We don't do that. Honestly mail theft here is bad enough, I'm not certain that it'd be a good idea.
Then our ID's aren't even free. You'd think that's all taxes, but it's not.
You need to go to the department of motor vehicles with a bunch of proof that you exist just to get a walker's id. (base state ID card)
Getting an MVA ID without other documents is hard Getting other documents without an MVA ID is hard Getting government documents without MVA ID and other documents is impossible.
Used to be the MVA would let you get a license pretty easily. RealID chilled that the fuck out. Now you need to get a birth certificate from your state of birth, (which might require cross-country travel without a drivers license)
To get a state ID, (RealID(tm) you currently need a birth certificate, social security card, and or a passport and mail/bills with your address.
The cards aren't free. If you're poor, or your parents don't have their shit together you might not have all of that.
Getting a copy of your birth certificate is not generally free. In many states getting a copy of your birth certificate requires you to go back to the state you're born in and go to the health department there to get a copy.
They would usually like to see your state ID.
To get a replacement social security card, you have to go through the same kind of scenario. I think they are free though.
If you are from a rural area you need to drive. Everyone around you drives you have family that drives. The poor innercity? They don't need to drive, can make it through most of not all of life without a license, or by having family member step in to help.
It's a tax on the poor non-driving. They also like to close polling areas in the poor areas because they have a hard time getting to remote polling places. Then they like to crack down on people giving people standing in line water.
These particularly affected poor area disproportionately black.
10% of Americans would have trouble proving citizenship. Most of them are non white. Most are Democrat or independent. And voter fraud isn't a problem according to experts / audits.
That's like 10 million minorities you can disenfranchise just by pretending proof of citizenship is necessary.
But those people would theoretically be able to get IDs? Or are we talking about illegal immigrants?
I think the main complaint against it is Trump is doing it.
That's not a very good reason, is it?
Of course it's not a good reason, but it's also not the main complaint. That's a disingenuous argument.
The problem is that the locations that offer IDs become political footballs.
Imagine that you change the law to require a certain type of ID in order to vote (even though you already have a social security card, it doesn't count for voting purposes), and that said ID cannot be acquired via mail.
Imagine, then, that the place you go to get the necessary ID is closed down, or intentionally understaffed via defunding/budget cuts. Hours reduced to 10am-4pm Monday through Friday, perhaps, when most people work. The next nearest location may be hours away. It may not be accessible via public transit. It then becomes incredibly burdensome for someone with limited time, transportation, or income to get the necessary ID. Now you're able to control access to the IDs in lower income areas by shuttering or defunding locations.
This isn't just a theoretical situation. This occurs.
Now, I think you'll find that most people are onboard with requiring ID to vote, provided that the barriers to getting the ID do not have a chilling effect on low-income voters.
But that's not the way things tend to go.
Present a plan that expands access to the ID printing services and watch the resistance to these sorts of policies disappear. Or better yet, mail one to every eligible taxpayer the first time they file a tax return. It's not particularly difficult.
Exactly, if the government were to put in effort to ensure every citizen has an eligible ID and were held accountable for failures in it then I'd be all on board with voter ID laws. As it stands now I fear my vote might get thrown out because my passport and birth certificate don't match
My Republican controlled county is moving services away from the Democratic cities into rural Republican areas. This makes them slightly easier to access for Republicans and much much harder for Democrats. These aren't theoretical concerns, it's an ongoing attack that Americans are trying to manage.
This only applies to people born before 2011
The fun part is none of this is free. The proper way to do this issue FREE IDs for years prior to requiring them.
Lots of states could do this. The feds should be doing it (they already have a bunch of your info anyway). The republicns know this is a poll tax, that's why they're attempting to do it the stupidest way possible
To be clear, you already required proof of identity at the poll but now you also have to provide proof while registering (basically asking for an assigned polling location) which is usually done online or even automatically but now likely can't if this order is enforced by states.
I’m all for boycotting companies, but when you live in a rural isolated food desert of a town, you kinda have to shop online so yeah…
That is sadly been the case for a very long time. In the 1890s and 1900s there was a saying in America that if you lived in the countryside you didn't have many books. You had the Bible... and the sears-roebuck catalog (yes they had groceries and grocery versions).
Yes, this is very true. I’ve lived in the same town my entire life and in the last 40 years not a whole lot has changed. In the late 90s we got a McDonald’s and a subway and about five years ago we got a Carl’s Jr. fine dining.
Yeah no not happening
Funny the covid vaccine card was their way of keeping track.
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Solution:
Motor-voting registration in all states through the DMV. You already have to prove citizenship for Real ID. Make sure everyone getting a state ID is also registered to vote.
Then you do 100% vote by mail.
Republicans: "Wait, not like that..."
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