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Dacia Sandero overtakes Tesla Model Y for title of best-selling car in Europe in 2024

a year ago by Blaze to c/buyeuropean

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Dacia Sandero will most likely be the best-selling car in Europe in 2024, according to preliminary data covering 97% of sales in the EU, European Free Trade Association countries, and United Kingdom. Looking at the provisional rankings, the Sandero leads the Top 10 with 247,210 units sold in the...
resipsaloquitur 67 points a year ago

GOOD NEWS!

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casmael 11 points a year ago

good news everyone!

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jabjoe 3 points a year ago

Not for the planet. It burns dino juice. That also means 5-10 times the running cost.

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boonhet 1 point a year ago

A quarter the purchase cost though.

The Tesla would need an out of warranty battery replacement long before it pays off compared to the Dacia.

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jabjoe 1 point a year ago

Telsa is the top end of the market, so these two are not like for like. There are now EV reaching price parity, or cheaper. The cost is mostly battery and the price of battery is come down a lot since EV started going mass market.

When buying an EV, you should do it on maths. If it will cost extra every month, compare that will fuel savings. For me it was £16 a day on diesel for my long commute in the large family van. Now it's <£2 a day in the large family EV van. So it's a big saving.

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BastingChemina 8 points a year ago

I'm obviously not a fan of Tesla but it's a shame that the most sold car went from an electric to a gas powered one.

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boonhet 5 points a year ago

It went to a car that costs a quarter of the Tesla. Can you really blame people for not being rich?

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superkret 3 points a year ago

The Dacia Spring Electric costs 16900€ new.

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boonhet 3 points a year ago

And you need to own a single-family home or at least live in a small enough apartment building to be able to convince people to install chargers at parking spots. If you do own house, you can probably afford a nicer car.

It pretty much has no engine or battery to speak of so if you need to use it outside of the city (you know, the place where you could just use public transit or walk), it'll just... Suck. If you need to charge it at public chargers, it's more expensive to run than a diesel in some countries, while not being as convenient.

I'm glad the option exists, but I don't see poor people rushing to electric unless the infrastructure and public charger pricing greatly improve, and I don't see a lot of wealthy people buying this Dacia either.

That's probably why the cheap ICE powered Dacia is so successful. It's more successful at targeting the people who can't afford a big expensive EV. Because those people often also can't afford the limitations and practical requirements of a cheap EV.

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Nougat 37 points a year ago

A broad smile sweeps across the face of James May.

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Letstakealook 26 points a year ago

I can't imagine fumbling this hard. All that man had to do was shut the fuck up and enjoy his billions.

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ceenote 20 points a year ago

Cool! Anyway...

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TimeWalker 19 points a year ago

Umm, maybe I'm looking at the wrong place but isn't the Dacia Sandero Petrol only? I'm also against buying Tesla but it's still backwards to me that the best selling car is now a petrol car and not an electric car

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boonhet 3 points a year ago

The Dacia Sandero is affordable and practical. EVs are only now starting to get to the point where they can be both. That small BYD thing is pretty cheap apparently. I've also seen some GWM Ora's around. The EV revolution in Europe is going to be Chinese.

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jabjoe 3 points a year ago

If EU car makers doesn't get good at making affordable EVs, they will get wiped out. You'd be mad to buy an ICE car over EV at the same price. Dino juice costs so much more (x5-x10) to run (if you can charge at home).

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boonhet 2 points a year ago

A lot of people with PHEVs don't use the hybrid part much because of how expensive electricity has gotten nowadays.

A lot of people also live in apartments and have no idea ability to install a charger.

EU car makers aren't a monolithic entity that offer a total of 4 models and a trashcan either. Mercedes alone has at least 6 EV models I can think of. Volkswagen has over 10 under all their brands I think. Volvo made a really basic car with really quick acceleration a la Tesla and now has the EX90.

Tesla had the popularity advantage from being the first to create an EV with a real battery and motor, it was the only reason they could beat an affordable car like the Sandero with their expensive smart refrigerators on wheels. Now there's competition.

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jabjoe 3 points a year ago

If you can't charge at home with the cheap EV electricity tariff, not sure I'd suggest an EV yet. I get 7p per kWh and 3 miles per kWh. So that's 2.33p per mile. For petrol to match that, at say, £1.50 a litre, you need a MGP of about 300. If you kWh is 70p though, you might as well use ICE for now. Unless you want an EV for planet or local polution reasons.

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fluffy 2 points a year ago

Electric cars cost a lot of money that a lot of people do not have. The Sandero is one of the cheapest cars available.

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Akasazh 2 points a year ago

It has a lpg/petrol bifuel option

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SnowChickenFlake 14 points a year ago

You mean to tell me that Tesla was the best selling car in Europe in 2023? I kinda fail to believe it..

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xwolpertinger 9 points a year ago

I kinda fail to believe it..

Why? Tesla had exactly two models that actually sold well, 3 and Y and for large stretches of time they were good value. And, more importantly, actually available. Everything else they do is basically a rounding error.

It's a bit like the Apple effect, if you only sell 1-2 phones of course they are going to be the "best selling models"

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MBech 9 points a year ago

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Geometrinen_Gepardi 4 points a year ago

That's a surprising top 2. There's about 30000€ price difference between the Tesla and the Dacia.

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GissaMittJobb 13 points a year ago

While I'm happy Tesla's are on the decline in Europe, this is not a good replacement. A non-EV SUV - very much not cause for celebration.

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superkret 7 points a year ago

The Dacia Sandero isn't an SUV by any reasonable definition.
It's a cheap hatchback.

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GissaMittJobb 4 points a year ago

Right you are - I mixed it up with Dacia Duster.

Slightly less dystopian, then.

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pumpkinseedoil 6 points a year ago

In Germany it's the VW ID3, very good replacement for Tesla Y

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5trong5tyle 11 points a year ago

Dacia is kind of taking over for VW in being the affordable everyman car. I've been driving a Duster for 5 years and one of my reasons for driving Dacia is that they're affordable on purchase, affordable on parts and not fully computerised as the EVs are. They also get pretty decent mileage and aren't crazy expensive to fill up.

I would love to drive something more environmentally friendly, but in reality EVs aren't where I need them to be. I can't charge them at home due to not having a driveway or a set parking spot, they take too long to charge when on the go and I'm pretty afraid for what will happen to electricity networks and prices if everyone starts driving one.

I'm also not fond of the lack of simple tactile controls. Screens distract you from watching the road. Buttons you can push without looking at them. I really feel that EVs are a rich man's solution to a problem that needs a more broad approach. The upfront cost of EVs, the replacement of batteries and the need for dedicated space to charge at home just aren't viable for even me, someone on a median income. Imagine how tough they are on the single mom in a flat that's still driving a 2004 Suzuki Swift.

And for those thinking public transport is an option: come live in Dublin, the biggest city in Ireland and tell me again. Public transport is atrocious here.

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Cyber 2 points a year ago

And for those thinking public transport is an option

Or any rural location... 1 bus a day... most days. AND no charging points for an EV.

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adbenitez 10 points a year ago

This sucks, at least Tesla was electric, fuck cars...

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Blackmist 6 points a year ago

Oh no!

Anyway...

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eutampieri 5 points a year ago

I don’t remember if it’s the Sandero, but hasn’t Dacia got a model that sells under 20’000 €? I would definitely consider it just for the price

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boonhet 3 points a year ago

The Sandero starts at under 15k in my country.

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superkret 3 points a year ago

Dacia even has an EV that starts at 17000€

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eutampieri 2 points a year ago

Yeah, I meant EV model

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DmMacniel 5 points a year ago

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qevlarr 4 points a year ago

Dacia gang 🤜🤛

Driving a Logan MCV because I have so much room and still pretty cheap and light. Love the car. I'm a bit disappointed with their EV offering. No fast charging, small action radius, those are deal breakers for EV buyers. Other than that, I'm absolutely a fan of the "no frills, just the car" concept. Only luxury I miss iscruise control

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endeavor 0 points a year ago

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TheEighthDoctor 2 points a year ago

Looking forward to buy one, actually, if I can get some money between selling my old car and the gov subsidies. It's hard because I don't belive on buying cars on credit tho.

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ThunderComplex 2 points a year ago

The Dacia Sandero was my first new car (previous cars were all used but all in all I had a lot of misfortune with them).

It’s a fantastic car, spacious on the inside without being unnecessarily big on the outside. Suspension is a little stiff for my liking but overall it absolutely deserves all the praise.

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