Australian academics refuse to attend US conferences for fear of being detained

2 years ago by PlasticLove to c/world

‘When academics fear travelling or partnering with US institutions, the impacts ripple through the entire global knowledge ecosystem,’ one says
Kualdir 91 points 2 years ago

Honestly very understandable

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Sanctus 52 points 2 years ago

We should be ripping our institutions apart at the seams over this. Thats fucken bullshit. Their our allies.

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braydan 37 points 2 years ago
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Sanctus 20 points 2 years ago

Damn, it can happen at anytime.

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braydan 20 points 2 years ago
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SmoothOperator 18 points 2 years ago

Pedants.

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corsicanguppy 6 points 2 years ago

anytime

any time

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Sanctus 6 points 2 years ago

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Pyr_Pressure 40 points 2 years ago

I'll (Canada) probably be skipping a conference that we usually do each year in the states as well. Not worth potentially getting my phone/laptop scanned and data stolen.

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Korhaka 20 points 2 years ago

Imagine getting to a point where people need burner phones to enter the US.

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itslilith 26 points 2 years ago

I'm trans. If there is a scientific conference in the states, you can be damn sure I'll be sitting that one out

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Letsdothisok -41 points 2 years ago
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witten 12 points 2 years ago
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AngryCommieKender 1 point 2 years ago

Fuck off and die, Nazi shit bag.

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cmhe 9 points 2 years ago

Wasn't that already the case since 9/11 and the Patriot Act?

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Ledericas 3 points 2 years ago

Or not even going to usa

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Korhaka 3 points 2 years ago

I was thinking some people are being forced to go by work. Can't imagine going willingly.

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KelvarIW 6 points 2 years ago
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jagged_circle 0 points 2 years ago

If its off and encrypted, they can't steal your data.

They can copy it. They can't break the encryption.

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Sunshine 21 points 2 years ago

Hold them in Aussie land instead!

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Forester 10 points 2 years ago

Hear me out. Host them online and from multiple locations at once. I know we're not quite there in terms of vr or ar, but I've spent plenty of time wasting time in VRC with limeies and kiwis and it was seamless to communicate effectively as if we were standing 2 ft apart while being on opposite sides of the planet. Flying is bad for the planet sincerely an American.

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Ronno 11 points 2 years ago

As someone who often attends and speaks at these type of events, I would advice against that. The main benefit of these events lies in the connections people make. These connections are very personal and don't really work in a virtual context (yet, might in the future though). Most innovations are inspired by having a chat with other people and just throw some ideas and different perspectives around. That won't happen if you treat a conference as a Teams meeting, people would just dial in, give their presentation and leave. Frankly, most presentations or talks during these conferences could have been (usually are) an article anyways. It's the discussions that happen outside of these agenda items where the value is.

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Forester 1 point 2 years ago

I would guess that you have not experienced social VR yet. As I said above as far as communication goes, it's like physically being in the same room with 80 other people even though the closest person to me is actually 300 miles away. Is it perfect? No. Is it clunky at times? Yes very at minimum you need to wear a headset and have controllers and trackers. The technology is not fully developed at this point, however there is profound potential. With the current social video game. VRC I can connect to a virtual world grab a virtual marker and draw my entire idea out or write out math or poetry or any other thing I want and display it to them there in real time and they can collaborate with me in real time. There are also ways to easily share most media formats.

Within the next 10 years, I guarantee you somebody's going to build an entire company off integrating that kind of tech into a purpose-built Business solution

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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 3 points 2 years ago

I have experimented with VR meetings. It's very hard to justify why the extra expense and hassle is worth it over a conventional video call (with whiteboard and screen sharing)

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Ronno 2 points 2 years ago

Technology is moving fast, I have experienced something similar in a metaverse like setting (release of a new luxury watch in a metaverse). It was a bit odd to describe. The vibe was closer to a Nintendo Mii gathering than an actual meeting. I'm sure one day we will get into the realm of sci-fi VR meetings, basically teleportation without actually moving. Just look at how quickly video calling went from sci-fi to basically being the norm in business these days.

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merc 2 points a year ago

Australia is great. I lived there for a year and loved it.

But, it's far from everywhere. Getting there takes an extremely long time on a plane, and burns a lot of carbon.

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WhatAmLemmy 2 points 2 years ago

The land of oz is the correct term.

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zero_spelled_with_an_ecks 2 points 2 years ago

I didn't know they have an Emerald City 🌪️🐕🏠

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Deceptichum 2 points 2 years ago
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zero_spelled_with_an_ecks 1 point 2 years ago

Neato, TIL. The article article didn't actually give a reason, but it got me curious, so I looked elsewhere. This one says a play that was making an Land of Oz reference https://www.ncesc.com/...

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Slam_Eye 17 points 2 years ago

I have visited the us on long roadtrips down both coasts. I was shocked at the state of their cities. Extremely run down and in a poor state, homeless everywhere and the people who werent homeless were very fat and unhealthy. It was very unpleasant to be there.

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phoenixz 4 points 2 years ago

Average US visit right there

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Phoenicianpirate 11 points 2 years ago

I honest to God do not want to visit the US for a long time and I have family there. I fear for them every day.

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samus12345 10 points 2 years ago

Smart. Stay the hell away from the US.

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hopesdead 10 points 2 years ago

I’m surprised even foreign musicians are even traveling here after what happened to UK Subs.

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Comment105 6 points 2 years ago

It seems reasonable. The US has gotten pretty insane and unpredictable.

Idk how far it is from being like visiting East Berlin before the wall was taken down, or the Soviet Union, but there certainly seems to be some of that kind of risk. It's bad and getting worse. Their actions and intentions are threatening to at some point surpass both of those, and be about as insane as visiting Nazi Germany.

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MisterFrog 6 points 2 years ago

I think it's ridiculous DFAT hasn't updated the smart traveller website. Exercise normal precautions my ass

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Ledericas 2 points 2 years ago

i was partner with a lab partner while i was in undergrad bio lab class, basically she went to all these talks or conferences 10+years ago. too bad she was a terrible lab partner, as she would use this against me why she wouldnt help in this GROUP project we were doing at the time. that just gave me awful feeling about the industry as a whole, are people this concerned about thier reputation that they are willing to sabotage thier lab partners

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merc 1 point a year ago

I wonder if we'll start seeing major international trade shows held in Vegas like CES, BlackHat, DEFCON, SEMA, MAGIC etc. are going to start holding their conferences elsewhere.

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Letsdothisok -43 points 2 years ago
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andros_rex 19 points 2 years ago

Are you just on here to broadcast the fact that you are an idiot?

You aren’t welcome here. Fuck off to Voat or 4chan or whatever.

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Letsdothisok -20 points 2 years ago
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andros_rex 9 points 2 years ago

The InfoWars forums might be a more welcoming place for you. It’s a paradise where you don’t have to ever read anything and “lol, Australia has colllej???” might actually find stupid enough people to land.

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Letsdothisok -13 points 2 years ago
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