"Is he team Red or team Green?"
*Little did they know that beneath his outer attire lay his blue wizard robes.*
"I mean he's wearing boots, which is more than either of us have."
LOL
It would be nice if we had elected the boring president yeah.
We outside of the US didn't even have any say in the elections and are subjected to your constant, and I mean constant political shit.
It's all so tiring
As someone inside of the country, I'm also tired.
At least you got a say in it. Not that all that many of you used your voice.
It's really easy to blame non-voters when you have the privilege of civic literacy, do not face voter disenfranchisement, do not live paycheck to paycheck, do not have a job that will fire you for 'other reasons' when you take off to vote, do not have an abusive spouse that will watch you fill in your mail in ballot if you vote, do not have to walk an hour away to the voting poll because you can't drive, do not have a permanent address for a mail in ballot, so on and so forth.
Yes, there are lazy 'I'm not political' morons who are willfully ignorant and don't vote. But let's not pretend that everything about American infrastructure including car dependency, anti-homelessness laws, understaffed voting polls, centralized media and fake news, aren't all designed to make voting harder than it should be and disproportionately target minorities.
Getting a quality education or having parents who did is a privilege. No baby was born knowing how to vote. The vast majority of non-voters don't even know how to start, let alone how to take time off to vote or when their mail-in ballot window is. Many might not have the required IDs and need to jump through another hoop to vote.
To non-voters, the voting process can be as daunting as getting your driver's license the first time, except they're doing it alone, juggling 3 jobs and raising kids. They simply don't have the time or mental energy to go through bureaucracy and mentally keeping every deadline and paperwork in their minds.
Civic literacy is a privilege because the fact that you understand the importance of voting and know enough about the process to plan ahead of it means that you grew up in circumstances that allowed you to do so.
Calling people lazy for not voting is like calling people assholes for not buying cage-free eggs. t's very easy to not give a shit about either when you're living paycheck to paycheck, and it's very easy to perceive complaints about this as virtue signalling.
You're not getting anyone to vote by calling them lazy. Don't be angry. Be useful and be actionable. If you actually want more people to vote, understand the systemic barriers behind why so many don't vote, educate others on it, and make a difference.
The election was completely fraudulent. Our country did NOT vote for this. Watching people rip each other apart over “how we voted” is painful because ALL OF IT IS FICTION.
It seems like you're directing this at me, and I can say that ultimately before November 5th I would have nodded my head in agreement. For basically the last 20 years I've been more or less obsessively following politics. I've voted in every election, primaries, midterms, special elections, local elections, and general. I've canvassed and donated. I've perpetually kept my eye on the news and participated in a invite-only political debate sub-reddit back in my reddit days. I've advocated IRL at my own workplace, risking my job security.
But now I'm verging on suicidally disinterested. After this result I want to disconnect so fucking badly. I want to check out and it feels like there is no escape. I don't even enjoy my "escapes" like video games, movies/TV, books as much as I used to. All of it feels like a grey sludge while a radioactive fire burns the world.
And the problem is, even if things get sorted out, I will never want to care again. Even if the US fixes its major problems I will forever be disgusted with the majority of my fellow citizens and be ambivalent about most of their well being. I am permanently mentally isolated after this election. The rest of my life seems intrinsically and inescapably dimmer.
Will I care anyway? Yes eventually and inevitably, I'll feel emotionally pulled to care. Its just how my brain works. And I will resent it. I resent it now.
You were fanatically supportive of genocide, while heaping venom and hatred on the people who oppose it; I don't think anyone cares what you are 'disgusted' by. Your boos mean nothing, we've seen what makes you cheer.
"May you live in interesting times" is not a blessing.
Yeah, and it doesn't matter if the politicians overseeing those times are "boring"
Biden was boring. It was a welcome reprieve from daily scandals and, at minimum, monthly constitutional crises. Now we're moving to weekly constitutional crises. Functional government is boring. It's mostly bureaucratic regulatory bookkeeping.
It's certainly possible to not be boring in a positive way, for instance if a politician is loudly advocating for radical positive change. But statistically speaking, boring is less harmful than the alternative.
They did try to win. They just didn't try to win the way YOU wanted them to. Strategically speaking, going for centrists was the right move, even if you were a progressive candidate. They assumed that they already had the left in the bag, and we're trying to target independent and centrist votes. Nobody would have thought that the left would just....let Trump win because of some bullshit purity politics. But hey, now that the left has let a fascist into power, we won't have to worry about voting anymore. Super smart power move progressives. A+. You played yourselves.
Strategically speaking, going for centrists was the right move, even if you were a progressive candidate.
That's why they won in 2016 and 2024, right?
Stupid ass shit like what you just said is the kind of shit that lost to fascism twice now and look at you, still saying it! Keep going, I'm sure losing a third time will be great
now that the left has let a fascist into power
Liberals love blaming leftists when shit goes bad even when it's their garbage ideas that got us here. Fuck right off
Lol okay. You make it sound like running a campaign is so easy. Maybe you should run the next one.
If you go with a full progressive or overtly leftist campaign you will also lose. You will gain votes from the "purity politics" left from people like you but you will lose the support of so much of the centrist/independent block.
43% of the US population identifies as independent. 27% identifies as Democrat. We don't have a large enough voting base to win by ourselves without independent/centrist votes. If you abandon them as well, we also lose. Conservatives can always count on their base to vote for whoever.... apparently we've learned that we can't do that with progressives. It's apparently our way or we sink the whole fucking boat with everyone in it. We apparently only vote for the PERFECT candidate, or we just won't vote at all...or vote 3rd party.
So, since they did not in fact "have the left in the bag," "going for centrists" was not, in fact, "strategically speaking the right move." Even by your own dumbass reasoning you're wrong.
This excuse is rolled out every time your favorite "centrists" eat shit, which is most of the time. The underlying logic that moving right is the way to win is above critique, no matter how many times it's tried and failed. The Democratic party and their candidates and campaigns are all of course above critique, they can never fail, they can only be failed. You can only ever punch down and tell voters to change their behavior to accommodate the candidate's positions, and never tell the candidate they should accommodate their constituents. The whole concept of democracy is meaningless at that point, just a popularity contest for which face will do the same awful shit, a game for rich sociopaths to fight over prestige and position, rather than a way for common people to have any sort of influence whatsoever over policy.
The left warned them loudly and clearly and they ignored us, as they always do. If course, we weren't the entire reason they lost, although I wish we were, because if we have the power and will to deny them wins, then they have no choice but to give into our demands or fade into irrelevance. Exercising this power is the only possible way to make them listen, or, if they won't listen, it's conveniently also the way to go about creating a new party that will.
27% of the US voting base is Democrat. 43% is centrist.
Do you lean hard to progressive politics and abandon independents or do you try and capture centrists and hope that your voting base understands that the opponent is a literal fascist?
Damnit Bobby
I've always thought that saying was weird. If I'm specifically grilling, I want to taste the heat. The smoky aroma is what makes grilling special to me. If you just want to taste the meat, it isn't that different to using a pan imo. That's why I like coal grills but prefer a wood fire, though that can be unpractical for some stuff
Using a pan and a propane grill are vastly different imo. I dont dislike charcoal or wood. I think each has thier own place depending on the meal you are preparing. For example I like to make steak and chicken kabobs on a propane grill and burgers and hotdogs on a charcoal.
At the end of the day though seasoning and meat quality take center stage. So its all about what you have access to and can afford.
Or one of those cool decorative indoor ethanol candles
Exactly. It's like being in a house that's on fire, laying down for a nap, and complaining when the flames make it too bright to sleep. You can ignore it and move deeper inside the house to nap like you used to, but there's no fire brigade this time.
Yea my current blovklist looks like this. And I still see a bunch of stuff for them.
maga, politics, biden, trump, republican, elon musk, musk, elon, conservative, rfk, election, russia, russian
Looks like this one slid through. Maybe add "political"
I am leaning harder and harder on 'political comedy isn't comedy' as a rule. 'It's just a joke,' is a far too common smokescreen for people pushing terrible ideas and mocking people spreading bad ideas doesn't do anything to stop them. It can even help. Politics isn't supposed to be entertaining. It's the decisions that affect how we live our lives. We need comedy in politics like we need strippers in surgery.
what I've leant into hard is the idea that those "clever comebacks" or "murdered by words" posts and communities do much more harm than good. 80% of the post is the most bigoted and hateful thing you've ever read, and 20% is "your mom lol". sharing hate speech with a lame joke tacked on the bottom is still sharing hate speech, turns out
“murdered by words” posts
I was an OG mod for that sub and hearing you say that makes me so sad.
Here's some history for you; MBW started out with high quality long-form content. Then one day an Admin hand selected it to feature on the Front Page which caused it to explode in popularity, going from about 5,000 subs to over 30,000 in just 48 hours. The new users started upvoting the old content which caused a 2nd and then a 3rd post to organically hit the FP. The growth accelerated.
Later that week the sole mod had a panic attack over the stress and while melting down they deleted the whole sub. At that point I offered to help and they added me as Mod #2. My first official act was working with the Admins to restore the sub from backup. From there we built a moderation team and all of the crap that goes with it like sub rules, wiki, automod, Discord channels.
As the sub got more popular people started posting ever more short form content which was causing the quality to go down even while the subscriber and traffic numbers continued to climb.
A few of us fought hard for a long time to hold the line on quality content, wanting to keep with the higher quality long form content that made it popular even if it meant lower subscriber and traffic numbers. We tried a lot of things to accomplish that but relevant to your comment one of the things was to create "Clever Comebacks" as a place to push the tsunami of Twitter/Tumblr/Facebook dreck. Sadly it didn't work, people either posted stuff in both places and / or the mod team wouldn't remove short form content from MBW because it got too popular before it was noticed and they didn't want to delete something with tens or even hundreds of thousands of upvotes.
As the mod team continued to expand to deal with the ever higher traffic first one then another Powermod was added. I strongly objected to it but was over ruled by Mod #1. Then the Powermods began to stuff the mod team with their friends and sock puppet accounts. That's when things really started going downhill. They'd delete things that were almost popular then repost it themselves. They'd refuse to remove Posts or Comments from their friends or sock puppets. They implemented bots without sharing the source code. They kept "accidentally" breaking the mod log. They forced endless re-writes of the sub rules, each one giving them more leeway on what fit the sub and what didn't.
I eventually went hands-off because I couldn't stop them and couldn't deal with what MBW had turned into. I finally left the mod team during the API fiasco because they wouldn't hold the line on the blackout.
So there you have it, a short history of MBW and CC from someone who knows.
On a side note Powermods ruin everything they touch and they're now showing up on Lemmy.
Counterpoint, comedy is often a coping mechanism for people dealing with difficult things, be it politics or something else. I'll agree that it's not how everyone wants to deal with it, though, and I also agree that not everyone does it in a way that's constructive (but I think that's in execution, not everyone is funny and a bad joke without proper comedy is certainly just elevating a bad message)
But I think if I didn't have political comedy, I'm not sure how I could deal with how absolute shit things have been for decades. For me that's not memes though, it's stuff like Last Week Tonight or something that actually is done with professional writers and researchers.
I get that humor is useful for making hard topics seem easier but some things should be hard. Would you consider dirty jokes an appropriate substitute for a sex ed class? Would drinking away your nervousness be a good way to prepare for a driving test? Serious matters need to be discussed frankly and honestly.
I used to kind of like Oliver sometimes, but then I saw the pattern and it ruined it for me. Every episode is 'Hello joke>subject>mock subject if funny looking, else mock thing next to subject>let's get serious, bad thing is happening>it's really bad>but don't get outraged enough to go do something about it, here's someone else taking care of it for you>callback to joke earlier>HBO-brand anti-capitalist recuperation catharsis complete. Go back to work.
Kind of a false equivalence, since you're not educating yourself on memes exclusively (and if you are, god help you lol). Even in your own reference, you can absolutely make dirty jokes after sex ed, especially if it helps you remember the topics. Good jokes will both reinforce the right narrative, make it more approachable, and help people remember what matters on a topic. Still has to be a good joke though, and humor is subjective so hard to gauge.
I mostly draw the line when it targets a vulnerable person or persons (like, let's not joke about rape), or makes someone in the room uncomfortable out of respect for that person (like a dirty joke in front of grandma). I suppose one could say any joke about the assholes in charge fall under that first category, but they harm vulnerable people, but they themselves are perfect targets.
Almost no one does one thing to the exclusion of all else, so few, if any, people are getting their knowledge purely from memes, but it doesn't have to be exclusive to have an effect. Someone who drinks a gallon of soda a day isn't necessarily getting all of their nutritional intake from soda, and, to borrow the phrase, god help them if so, but it is going to have effects on their life. Treating politics as entertainment also has secondary effects. Just like drinking soda can train your tongue to expect that level of sweetness, which can lead to troubling dietary choices, political humor trains you expect a punchline in a discussion about policy, which can lead to bad political choices.
And notice there how you changed what I said to argue against a point I didn't make. I talked about jokes as a substitute for sex ed. You talked about jokes after sex ed. There is no mandated political ed class after which to make jokes. The shallow coverage on things like Oliver, tiktok, or other comedy shows is often the deepest, or the only, examination of a political subject people actually ingest, maybe supplemented by a few headlines, a shallow newscast, and an article they didn't finish. They aren't making memes about the thing they learned during an in-depth intended-to-inform class. They are making memes based on the memes they laughed at because of the vague half-knowledge they got from the media atmosphere.
Jokes have their place. No one would argue for a life completely lacking in humor, but, just like your example of rape, a subject that is extremely serious because of the long lasting and possibly life-destroying effect it can have on people, politics is too serious to be joked about in the public sphere. Joking about it fails to take serious something that can leave someone alive, but utterly unable to live.
The "funny" parts of the internet like Twitter and Reddit are also owned by millionaires and billionaires, their express purpose being to entertain you and show you ads, not to actually inform you. An especially egregious example is YouTube when a video essayist tries to explain how the Native Americans were killed by colonists, or how most of Latin America was brutalized by capitalist oppression resulting in millions dead, and people have to bleep out their words like they're on cable TV.
Also try to get the more spammy ones blocked by your server, it's a service for all other users as well
You might not be political, but the Nazis are, and they don't really mind sending non-political people to the camps.
They seem to enjoy it, in fact. Memes are important, but so is freedom to meme.
I got ya




I would post more but I got this computer yesterday and have not transferred my old meme folder yet. Ah well
While true, not all Lemmy is american.
Yeah, that "I don't care about politics is what brought them there in the first place", but they will never acknowledge that, instead they will just double down on their aggressive apatheism.
Which are topics covered by 90% of the forums here already. If you browse for memes you should be allowed to see some. instead you get AOC Simps sharing some rally.
Blocking users posting political campaigning on meme forums are now modus operandi.
Try posting that shit on the woodworking forum and see how it flies. The meme forums are poorly moderated.
A picture of a crowd with the headline AOC and Sanders gathered 35000 people this weekend is hardly a meme.
Have you considered I might be European? And I might be somewhat interested in American politics, but I'm also interested in other shit to. If Lemmy wants to succeed it will have to cater to a wider audience than the most politically engaged core.
Blocking a few users have cleansed my front page alot. I hake no issues with people discussing their political worries. Thats imoortant in any free State. What's not important is forcing those discussions into any minor irrelevant topic.
Have you considered... that political memes... should be posted to the communities specifically for political memes? I know, crazy, right?
If someone wants to bury their head in the sand while everything burns, that's their perogative.
Personally, I get more than enough exposure to the ongoing situation through other sources. I don't need my haha funnies to pull double duty, and I'd argue that they're an incredibly poor format to convey useful information for staying properly informed.
I definitely don't need random internet asshole busybodies deciding they know my information needs better than I do.
They might not bury their head in the sand either. They might be engaged in the topics, but at the moment they just want to see what funny references exist in a non political sphere.
Yeah, it’s not easy to ignore when the US goverment starts sending people to concentration camps
You had no problem ignoring it for decades previously.
I'm a little lost as to what exactly this rebuttal is implying. Do you feel that those who willfully ignored these issues went they weren't as dire should continue to do so as they get worse? I'm having difficulty reading this charitably so clarification would be appreciated, thanks.
Because foreign lives actually are worth just as American ones.
Why are there so many people assuming every lemmy user is from the USA
Sometimes its bad for mental health to continuously see all the bad things that are happening in the richest country in the world
It's terrible for your mental health to be constantly bombarded with "the sky is falling" news.
“the sky is falling” is implying that what's being talked about isn't real. The rise in fascism is very real and very global.
It's always funny seeing non-Americans assume that the problems of America are unique to America and that anyone talking about those problems can only be from America.

It's amazing how much still gets through, but at least I'm not scrolling past a dozen "news" stories between every meme or comic post.
"If I don't see it, it can't hurt me"
How could you possibly know what you don't know?
Some people come here to relax, not be screamed at with outrage bait.
If you're calling news outrage bait, I don't know what to tell you. Orange Mussolini is counting on everyone to not keep up so nobody will stop him. I can't name anything more pathetic than someone who wants ignorant bliss so badly they'll put a blindfold on.
I might occasionally be accused of being political, but yes. Lemmy is no escape. Many users from any instance will jam their politics into anything and everything, constantly. It's genuinely weathering.
You want to vibe and chill? HOW DARE YOU! DONT YOU KNOW X IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW!?!?!?!?
WHY ARENT YOU MAD ABOUT X??? ARE YOU A MONSTER??
Starting to think of unsubing from technology, too often it's about trump and musk. But it's also one of the largest communities.
Problem when most active communities at least sometimes include US political bullshit is that few are left without it if you just want to block it. We are not all Americans, it isn't helpful to constantly have US bullshit showing up. Hopefully as lemmy grows the smaller communities will grow and I can have a feed full of kayaking, Linux memes and homebrewing.
What bugs me about it is that it’s usually not even news, just outrage bait.
At some point, pretty much everything becomes political. I like to cycle, walk and enjoy nature. Me not wanting to get killed by a car driver is political, and me thinking we shouldn't dump toxic crap in the environment is political. The new stop sign at the corner of the street is political. Housing is political. The high price of goods is political.
It's understandable to want to escape, avoid all this crap and take a break for a while. But memes are also a way to vent and express the frustration about the current political climate.
Unfortunately those two are narcissist shit stains that enjoy having people talking about them every day so they are nearly impossible to avoid for a while.
I like to go touch some grass. Close social media and go take a walk or cycle. Think about how all the fucking money is... eeerh... touch some grass... go camping and hiking, admire the views that are about to get destroyed by capit... eeehm, that makes you feel small. Hear the beautiful sounds of nature accompanied by the dirt bikes illegally riding in the forest. All free of politics! Even when they'll invade and annex my country, I'll just be like "can't we all just stop talking about politics and share memes, please!?"
I guess we're doing "abortion is murder" now
(P.S. After the birth happens, parents should never, ever, say “I wish you were never born”. Your window of decision was during pregnancy, you don’t get to say those words to hurt the kids after they were born. Either get an abortion, or live with the fact you chose to give birth to your child(ren), choose wisely.)
Why? You've already stated that unborn children deserve moral consideration as if they're people, and that killing them is ok is it's "psychological self defense". You trying to set some arbitrary limit on when that's allowed seems entirely like you just trying to have a double standard where you don't have to take on the mantle of being anti-abortion but still want to be able to use it as a cudgel against China.
Least deranged anti-communist
This is the exact reason why c/memes on lemmy.world has a "no politics" rule.
I filter out all of those words from my feed. I still see a lot of political stuff but it's balanced out with a bunch of meme communities and such.
When people talk about people being jerks on lemmy I miss out on most of that. I'm here for fun.
Is it really political any more when evil people have used politics to gain control over our lives to wreck our retirement funds, deport and possibly murder our friends, and oh just for fun destroy the entire foundational structure of science and discovery?
Nope. That's not political. That's awareness of the environment in which we find ourselves, and an attempt to deal with it.
Hopefully it will be over soon (in part thanks to awareness campaigns) so we can go back to politics where we have some conservatives, some progressives or whatever, and some single-issue parities that can make common cause with the others from time-to-time. Politics would be so wonderful to have now. It's only been gone for maybe a decade and I miss it so much.
Is it really political any more when evil people have used politics to gain control over our lives to wreck our retirement funds, deport and possibly murder our friends, and oh just for fun destroy the entire foundational structure of science and discovery?
All that shit was absolutely happening before Trump too, spare us the "we must retvrn to when America was great" reactionary nonsense
I'm Swiss.
I don't buy the greatness thing. I'd like go back to having an America that makes sense sometimes, and which we can reasonably work with.
So when it only brutalised brown people
It's weird because I agree with you, but for some reason interacting with you makes me angry anyway.
Sometimes it yearn for the days the Harlem shake was a meme, and the Numa Numa guy, and badgers badgers badgers...
And if you really want to go even farther back to the 90s and super early 2000s internet (i am talking about pre 9/11) you had Where Are The Toons Now? And peanut butter jelly time and the Mr. T vs. (Insert random opponent here). Does anyone remember when Mr. T was an internet meme? Or even Bert is evil (a 90s meme literally stopped by 9/11).
While fun stuff obviously still exists aplenty (i actually like the skibidi stuff) I just wish we could do that again. But Trump is fucking everything up so much that I can simply cannot look away. It is everywhere.
You're the man now dog
Our society.
I like to be informed, however I wouldn’t call whatever happens on lemmy as information sharing but more like endless ranting. I get it it is what it is but I think it is healthier to have more than one topic
On the plus side my internet usage went down because I just do news check up daily and I lose desire to use internet further

Helps a little bit.
A disturbance in the Fediverse. As if a million posts and comments cried out and were silenced.
They fixed that bug so now if someone cross posts your content and gets banned, it won't delete your images
Lemmy custom interface. An example one is Tesseract.
Alternatively you can use Ublock filters.
I always scroll all but I was on lemmy when there were only like 20 posts per day
That seems like the ideal approach. I sometimes WANT a survey of what Lemmy is talking about and sometimes I don't. I've got massive tolerance for bullshit given my difficult upbringing but even I'm hitting limits and needing a break. It's madness.
A great option though I don't think that's actually available by default, I know mobile apps have it but on desktop I'm using a violentmonkey script for that and don't see a way to do it in settings
I'm on Voyager and had no idea it did this! Thanks for sharing.
Just set up some filters and you will more peace. Some will still get through but it will not feel like a deluge.
Well then you just see that content day in, day out and slowly sink into a pit of despair.
Serioulsy though, try to figure out how to filter these things. I have been a lot less sad and depressed since I did it.
Ha, now your a poltical memer
sigh That's how they get ya...
I browse by "Subscribed" and subscribe to communities that aren't politically focused. Here's a list:
MEMES, SOCIAL MEDIA REPOSTS, AND HUMOR
Most of these are currently active. (except for the ones with a * which were less active last I checked). Sometimes these include politics but that's not the sole focus.
Not what I'm seeing, maybe I curated my feed differently? Idk maybe my server also blocks some?
Any way to do this just from web browser?
Dam it's almost like we're entering a 3rd world war
Always have been
It's hard to ignore those who are killin' it. Or killing it.
Every day
Weird! It's almost like the country that a significant portion of the world rely on for protection turning into a literal fascist dictatorship is somehow significant. Who'd have thought
We get it, your country is on fire. We hear about it EVERY DAY of our lives. It would be great to go on here or any social media and not see a post about what Trump or Musky have done in the past 5 minutes.
My country's doing fine, but there are others that are quite concerned. Most notably the USA.
Sure, but the words Elon and Trump are pretty specific filters to block those posts. I turn mine on when I'm feeling saturated.
For a significant part of the world, it already was a fascist dictatorship
FYI you can change to scaled or any other settings to get less political.
Yup, during WW2 you'd have seen a lot of references to Hitler.
I've been arguing with Tankies and bots for like 2 days in an Anti-DNC meme.
Some of them have unironically endorsed Republicans, like not even a joke, no mask, they just want things to burn.
please filter out politics. we don't want you whiney pacifists whining about not seeing enough linux memes.
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