I switched from macos to Linux because it can't stop babying users and being unnecessarily restrictive

a year ago by TheTwelveYearOld to c/linux

I tried running a 2nd instance of Roblox simultaneously on macos 15 with another account but this shows up, if my mac can handle it then why can't it just let me do it? If I have two copies of an app like Roblox in separate User/Applications folders, macos moves them to the /Applications/ folder.

Sometimes it won't run apps claiming to be corrupted, so I then have to do sudo xattr -cr /Applications/someapp.app in the terminal and they run perfectly fine. It always nags me if I download apps from anywhere but mac app store. Some of these messages can only be gotten rid of by disabling system integrity protection, but then macos blocks you from running MAS apps due to having "permissive security".

I don't daily drive macOS anymore, I switched to Linux on my M1 mac where I can do whatever the hell I want.

bamboo 53 points a year ago

NGL I think whatever you're trying to do is either a limitation of the Roblox install or something else that isn't specifically an OS X issue. The file permission stuff sounds weird and I'd reevaluate what you're trying to do and if the approach is correct, especially if you're going to have to turn off operating system security features to get it to work.

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jbloggs777 4 points a year ago

https://github.com/... for a real world example of needing an exception.

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bla_bla_bla 31 points a year ago

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tyler 29 points a year ago

That isn’t a Mac error message. It’s Roblox giving you that error.

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nullpotential 26 points a year ago

You shouldn't play Roblox.

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ArsonButCute 21 points a year ago

Honestly, instead of playing shitty clones of games made with child labor through roblox, just play the original games they're cloning.

Couple of weeks ago I was at a friends place for dinner and the son was playing Roblox. Everyone in the room except him knew he was playing a WoW clone. His dad even told him, "you know I'll buy you a subscription if you wanna play the real game instead of a shitty clone"

Don't play Roblox. Its just cheap imitations made with child labor.

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MajesticElevator -10 points a year ago

I guess underaged people can’t earn money because it will be child labour.. 🤦

Roblox isn’t only about "shitty clones". Just let people play whatever they want. Just let passionate underaged devs gain money instead of companies.

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blinx615 12 points a year ago

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MajesticElevator -8 points a year ago

They're taking advantage of everyone with their shitty "dev exchange rates" thing, but it's known info at this point.

Sadly yea, that's bad behavior, but I fail to see how it's specifically taking advantage of children.

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p03locke 26 points a year ago

Old, but still relevant:

Windows/Linux KILL comparison

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apelsin12 5 points a year ago

Nope this is untrue

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ptu 3 points a year ago

Please do elaborate

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LifeLemons 6 points a year ago

There are many different signals the OS sends to applications which are kinda like "Can you kill yourself?" or "Please kill yourself" or "I will kill you" to close it. In computer teminology, there is "close", "terminate" and "kill" types of signals. These are used so that applications can have time to perform closing tasks (like saving) when neceassary and if they misbehave, just "kill" it.

Now both windows and linux have these types of signals. In fact every OS has it.

I beleive this is the reason this meme exists:
When the user tries to shut a app in windows (throught close button or task manager) windows will wait and not give any option to immediately kill the app. Hence some apps don't close even after using end task. Only if the app freezes for some time will it give the option for force quit, no other way (edit: it exists). In linux, its the same as windows and limux waits for app to close. But the difference is that option to kill is available anytime in linux and basically gives the user full control. Although kill option in linux may be hidden as a way for users not to use it unless necassary as applications may not like it.

Shutdown process of both OS is same, they wait for all apps to shut by semding "please close" signal and if they misbehave, option to "shutdown anyways" will be shown to the user, basically killing all apps.

The meme is not correct and is just a steorotype of different OSes. This steorotype comes from how people normally experinece different OS culture and practices. Both OSes have same process of managing apps. Both OSes will wait for process to close if it freezes and give option to user to force quit.
SIGKILL in the meme is coreect only for the right panel of the meme and the left panel is actually a SIGTERM (or something else which means "please close", don't remember)

The only thing the meme should emphasis is how the user is given full control to do in linux (even deleting the kernel) while windows is careful to not let users do something stupid.

Edit: Killing apps in windows can be done on demand through cmd using taskkill command

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the_crotch 3 points a year ago

Only if the app freezes for some time will it give the option for force quit, no other way

taskkill /im filename.exe /f

Or if you have multiple instances of the same executable running, you can kill by PID

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llothar 19 points a year ago

Windows will not allow me to attach a file to an email because it is opened in Word 🤷

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MajesticElevator 2 points a year ago

Word issue, not windows issue 🤔

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skribe 15 points a year ago

Can you play Roblox? I thought they blocked it on Linux.

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Someplaceunknown 11 points a year ago

Sober lets you play Roblox on Linux

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gwilikers 5 points a year ago

Why would they do that?

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pogmommy 24 points a year ago

All the 8 year old hackers running linux were toppling their child labor industry

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cepelinas 1 point a year ago

I am more suprised that they managed to use linux to cheat.

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StarlightDust 8 points a year ago

They created a new anticheat for the PC version which broke Linux support

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skribe 5 points a year ago

My understanding is that Roblox requires changes to the kernel to lock it down in order to prevent script kiddies from cheating. Linux makes that very difficult to impossible, so they abandoned/never supported the platform.

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lukecooperatus 13 points a year ago

Jeez. Sounds like Roblox is horribly designed if the only way they can secure their servers is through client side measures.

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Scrath 12 points a year ago

Sounds like pretty much every multiplayer game with Anti-Cheat is horribly designed in that case...

Anti-Cheat software seems to be the last hurdle preventing widespread compatibility with Linux. Even when there is a linux version of an anti-cheat (BattleEye has a Linux version I believe) companies don't use that and still restrict their game to windows. Looking at you ubisoft and rainbow six siege

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that_leaflet 14 points a year ago

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sabzian 7 points a year ago

Try right clicking on the file and selecting Open from the menu

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FIST_FILLET 3 points a year ago

this works in 95% of cases, try this before you go all the way into settings! most annoying part of mac is this stuff

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tyler 5 points a year ago

You used to be able to hold alt and right click and choose open.

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expr 2 points a year ago

xattr -d com.apple.quarantine path/to/file will remove that shit.

Though personally, I get as much software as possible on my work MacBook through Nix, and only use .dmg files if absolutely required.

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Pirata 13 points a year ago

NGL that smiley face from Finder looks so condescending lmao. My wife's laptop is a Mac and it's hilarious every time how it shows up so often. Like Clippy from Word lol.

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Dariusmiles2123 10 points a year ago

I’m curious about your experience with a M1 Mac on Linux. Are you using Asahi Linux then?

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Crazyslinkz 1 point a year ago

I to want answers, I thought m1 had security limits to install Linux or any other os.

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HumanPerson 2 points a year ago

It's obfuscated but not officially blocked. Their site is asahilinux.org. It's not worth getting a macbook for yet imo , but it's still super impressive, especially the graphics drivers. There are issues with Mac's built in security stuff but that just means the fingerprint reader and probably some other stuff doesn't work.

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Crazyslinkz 1 point a year ago

Interesting, thanks

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FIST_FILLET 7 points a year ago

I don’t daily drive macOS anymore

there’s no way a roblox kid is claiming to “daily drive” anything lol

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ArsonButCute 16 points a year ago

Hi, 28 here, Roblox came out when I was in middle school, therefore this could be a whole ass Roblox adult, not a Roblox kid.

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geneva_convenience 7 points a year ago

Get off my laaawn

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Manifish_Destiny 1 point a year ago

Who are you and what have you done with my grandson?

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KernelTale 3 points a year ago

Surpsingly a lot of adults play Roblox. I dislike the game but I was asked multiple times by my older peers to play Roblox.

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altphoto 6 points a year ago

Ask? Nah! Grab a bat! This is your computer! Find the fucker and fuck'em up! Give him a taste of hi....oh dude! Not the eye balls! C'mon that's too muc...that's a knife! What are you doing! Oh shit! No! C'mon! Not the ball. Oh the entire thing!!! Oh put it in a ziplo....no! Not there! Oh my Jimmy Johnson! My holy jebus! I'm outta here! I don't know you! Don't call me!

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lonesomeCat 5 points a year ago

But but.. User dumb!

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LandedGentry 3 points a year ago

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daggermoon 1 point a year ago

OP said it was Mac OS 15.

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LandedGentry 2 points a year ago

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Decker108 1 point a year ago

I have to daily drive a Mac for work, and it's a constant pain. Fortunately, there are signs that the PC world is catching up with Apple hardware, most recently in the form of the Qualcomm Snapdragon X1 series CPUs. The Linux support isn't there yet, but it's likely just a matter of time before we too can enjoy excellent battery life and great performance.

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