Stop Being a Climate Change Doomer

3 years ago by keepthepace to c/solarpunk

Climate Change doesn't have to scare the Emojis out of you. https://twitter.com/_britmonkeySOURCES: https://pastebin.com/whyRb0WDMUSIC: https://pastebin.com/...
BonfireOvDreams 42 points 3 years ago

People should respond as if it is fixable, even if it is not. Any mitigation or reduction is positive. If you're gonna go out, go out swinging. Reject the status quo. Expect more from yourself and others.

And also go Vegan 🤗

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Eq0 15 points 3 years ago

But it is fixable!

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bricklove 9 points 3 years ago

That's the spirit!

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frezik 9 points 3 years ago

The problem is fixable, but my biggest worry right now is that rich nations will do enough to save rich nations. They'll get most of their power from non-carbon based sources, pollute significantly less from industrial processes, protect their agricultural output, and switch 90% of cars on the road to BEVs. Then they just deal with the problems of increased flooding, wildfires, etc.

Meanwhile, the Middle East turns into a power vacuum because nobody wants their major export anymore. Africa starves to a level not seen in decades, or maybe ever.

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dallo 1 point 3 years ago

and unionize ✊

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greengnu 28 points 3 years ago

Doom stops when people have hope. Teaching people how to climb to a solar punk future is the solution.

We need solar punk political candidates.

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hellishharlot 5 points 3 years ago

I don't know the first thing about campaigning but I'll run.

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silence7 6 points 3 years ago

How you run varies a lot by country.

In the US, you start by filing papers to do it. Typically a combination of a fee and collecting signatures. Municipal government tends to have a lot of power over things like what commute mode is favored and local building codes, so I recommend it for first-time candidates. You'll need to raise enough money to help get the word out, spend a lot of time visiting community groups and talking with people, and ideally recruit a few volunteers to help you win a primary.

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danielquinn 1 point 3 years ago

You'd be surprised how easy it is. Many political parties will allow anyone to run for a seat if no one else is already doing it. A lot of the smaller parties will even actively seek out good candidates.

There's vetting of course, but so long as you're not a terrible person and haven't said anything publicly that's opposed to the party's platform, it's really not too hard.

The hard part is when it comes to the larger parties that have established (often terrible) candidates. The party knows them, so you have to put in the time to get known as well and then run against the sitting candidate when the time comes.

It does happen though. AOC in the US is a great example. She unseated a democrat that the party actually liked, and she did it with an army of new members she got signed up.

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RIPandTERROR 2 points 3 years ago

Doom stops

Bet

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Lyrata 2 points 3 years ago

Not only representative politics. We need to focus on grassroots initiatives as well.

Both is good

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TrismegistusMx 1 point 3 years ago

So you're a fan of grassroots initiatives.

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andrewrgross 1 point 3 years ago

A geologist friend of mine ran for something local. She didn't win, but I was very proud of her for engaging in the process. She would've been a great leader for whatever she was running for. I don't recall the details, as she lives in another state.

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pizzaiolo 26 points 3 years ago

Being a doomer doesn't help

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SlowNoPoPo 3 points 3 years ago

Doing nothing didn't help

Assuming science will somehow solve the problem magically with no input doesn't help

Assuming nothing you do matters because there's people in China doesn't help

It's don't as though we're fucked so why not be a doomer

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XTL 1 point 3 years ago

Dismissing problems using cheap labels like that helps even less. Actually causes harm.

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MrMakabar 35 points 3 years ago

Pretending we are all doomed just leads to inaction. Why bother, if we all die anyway.

Pretending all will be great just leads to inaction. Why do something yourself, when it is basicly solved already.

What works is to understand that there is a problem, but we have the solutions. That is actually the case right now. We have a massive problem with climate crisis, but we also have the tools to bring our emissions to basicly zero, if we choose to do it. Some countries are already taking actions on this.

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Jaytreeman 5 points 3 years ago

We are doomed, but 2c is infinitely better than 3c and we should be fighting like hell for every .01c.

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LordCaramac 4 points 3 years ago

@MrMakabar @XTL The main problem is that we need to end Capitalism, and we need to end it NOW, globally, because every possible solution only works if the economy can stagnate or even shrink without causing economic disasters.

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MrMakabar 2 points 3 years ago

A long term stagnating economy and especially a shrinking one would be considered an economic disaster anyway. The key is to avoid social problems due to shrinking the economy. There are plenty of ways of doing that, but propably the most important one is to limit working hours. That means earlier retirment, less hours worked per week and more vacation. All of that are things mandated by countries before. With a globally stagnant population that might very well happen. In fact you see falling working hours in Europe over decades.

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precariousmind 3 points 3 years ago
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Heidentweet 3 points 3 years ago path: 0 2384926 2384960 2385446 2388351 2388352, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
robincafolla 2 points 3 years ago

@MrMakabar @XTL we have the tools, but governments wedded to profit and growth won't use them, and certainly won't use them quickly enough.

We'll need a wave of revolutions to improve our democracies; shortening terms, dispersing power to communities and as much as possible moving from electing representatives who can be easily captured and subverted to truly democratic decisions which are harder to manipulate.

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MrMakabar 4 points 3 years ago

Degrowth basicly tries to limit change the size of the economy to one, which stays within planetary boundaries. One of the most important ones of that is certainly greenhouse gas emissions. So something like the emissions trading systems of the EU are inherintly degrowth policies. They cap emissions and lower that cap over the years. Some industries are already in some trouble due to that, namely the coal electricity industry, but a lot of other heavy industry in the EU has problems as well due to that policy right now.

Another big one is increasing wild space, which the EU also has passed a law, forcing its members to rewild a few percent of their land. That is limiting resource use for sure.

There are also a lot of other enviromental regulations doing similar things. The problem is not moving fast enough and still believing in economic growth, but there are policies, which go very much in the right direction and are more then just token policies. Obviously a lot more is needed, but change within the current system is certainly possible. However you are right, the fear of a drop in gdp has to go and be replaced with a the idea of improving quality of life. Obviously having a strong economy helps with that, but still it should be an option, if the econmy shrinks.

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ellenor2000 1 point 3 years ago

@MrMakabar @XTL Why bother? to make the doomedness less shit. Do the things that move the needle from certain death to near-certain death. By teeth and fingernails, hold on until the last.

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ErikUden 0 points 3 years ago

@MrMakabar @XTL You put something in the words I always struggled to do. Thank you!

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frezik 19 points 3 years ago

The section on how much solar can power homes is off. The deployed capacity is measured by the output of the panels in direct sunlight on a cloudless day. Obviously, that doesn't happen all the time, or even most of the time. Exact measurement depends on local conditions, but if you take the figure and reduce it by 80%, you'll have a rough idea of how much is actually going on the grid over time.

So when he's citing how many homes can be serviced by 1GW of solar, multiply that figure by 0.2 and you'll get something closer to the real one.

Solar and wind deployments, combined with some kind of energy storage, are important, but we shouldn't drop wildly misleading figures. If the numbers in the video were right, then we'd have solved the problem of carbon-based electricity generation already.

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occhineri 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah, when I hear GW/h, I immediately stop listening. Also, people should raise awareness to the fact that just using better energy won't help. We're facing an ecosystem problem crisis, the energy problem is secondary.

Anyway, I like the good vibe

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sugarcake 8 points 3 years ago

Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will.

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8petros 6 points 3 years ago
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SneakyWeasel 3 points 3 years ago

https://youtube.com/...

Video by Kuzgezart that has similar viewpoints and a LOT more data than BritMonkey's,, but the biggest thing is they show we actually are on track to avoid the biggest apocalyptic scenario (which would be a 4C+ temperature increase). Yes, it's going to suck ass, real ass, but we won't all die. And hell, if by then to now we managed to avoid 4C to 3C, which is what most scientists are predicting, maybe by 10 years more we're at 2C.

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greengnu -1 points 3 years ago

foolish of you to think that is a bad thing.

There is no greater hell than immortality.

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8petros 1 point 3 years ago
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greengnu 1 point 3 years ago

I guess a discussion on shared meaning of what it means to die would be needed to understand if not dying as possible future/current/previous state in the universe and directly address your request to change your mind.

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8petros 1 point 3 years ago
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HurlingDurling 3 points 3 years ago

Anyone have a newpipe link of the video?

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SneakyWeasel 2 points 3 years ago

Honestly thank you for sharing this. I watch this and Kuzgezart's video about the topic whenever I feel way too depressed about shit like this nowadays.

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rab 0 points 3 years ago

Reject doomerism, embrace fatalism

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