selfh.st: improper etiquette by 2010 standards? (trackers, no RSS) Thoughts?

a year ago by layzerjeyt to c/selfhosted

I went to https://selfh.st/ because someone posted a link to a github repo that had some tracking appended to the URL (?ref=selfh.st). OK your marketing worked on me I'm a mark.

I still have an aversion to this kind of tracking. Maybe considering how old-fashioned it it compared to the undetectable and nearly impossible to evade tracking methods currently deployed, that's wrong. Maybe this is just charming and quaint.

Disregarding the above, I liked the site enough to subscribe to their RSS feed https://selfh.st/rss/. Well that was pointless, as there is no content in the feed. Each entry like this:

Self-hosted news, updates, launches, and content for the week ending Friday, August 1, 2025

Continue reading on selfh.st...

I kind of expect a meaningful RSS feed these days. It sign of participating in the Libre internet.

Workaround: I have used Kill the Newsletter! (which kicks ass) to convert the email newsletter to an Atom feed which appears to work. Got the confirmation email, now need to wait for a post to be made.

What do you all think?

  1. Link tracking: yay or nay?

  2. Placeholder RSS: Rude or acceptable?

paradox2011 16 points a year ago

Hmm, I'm subscribed to their RSS feed and I get full articles out of each post 🀷 I use Feeder in case that's helpful for context.

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Bjornir 7 points a year ago

Have you checked recently ? I did get the full articles until 2 or 3 months ago and now it's the garbage described above. I am also using feeder.

They even replaced older posts that were complete with the garbage, but if I go far back enough I still have the complete version of older posts.

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paradox2011 3 points a year ago

Try going to the settings for the specific feed and toggle on "fetch full articles by default." I tried turning that off on mine and I got the same thing that you're describing. Turned it back on and back to business as usual.

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Bjornir 3 points a year ago

Well thank you that fixed it. I could have sworn I turned it on when I added the feed.

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paradox2011 3 points a year ago

πŸ₯³ glad to help!

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gitamar 15 points a year ago

I find general source tracking perfectly acceptable. It does not identify me as a user to any of both parties only tells the target site that users originate from another site.

I find personalized urls or tracking parameters bad. General source channel tracking is harmless for me.

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SidewaysHighways 13 points a year ago

im subbed with freshrss and for the first few weeks, it was a full article each Friday.

now, it's just like you've posted.

i may have been late to that site but i do feel like i saw the seeds of enshittification sprout right before my eyes

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illusionist 12 points a year ago

Doesn't ublock strip away the referrer?

To me, that's generic and not invasive.

Selfh.st "just" started. Maybe he didn't get around setting it up. Did you ask him?

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otter 5 points a year ago

The developer and the project have profiles in Mastodon, it should be possible to tag the accounts in this thread directly

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laserjet 1 point a year ago

ublock doesn't seem to strip refers. Try clicking this and see the URL bar: http://yahoo.co.uk/?illusionist

I didn't ask the admin, I am asking the community for a sanity check

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MangoPenguin 10 points a year ago

Referral tracking with the URL is fine IMO, it's useful for someone running a site to see what other sites they are getting traffic from, and it doesn't really affect my privacy.

I have noticed the RSS feed thing, I assume they want to get site traffic and are preventing people from reading with a feed reader or something?

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AusatKeyboardPremi 6 points a year ago

I just pulled the feed for the first time after reading your post, and the content is like you describe. A pity as I liked what I saw on the website.

I may try the workaround and see if it helps.

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slazer2au 5 points a year ago

I remember he mentions the ?ref in a blog post a while ago but I can't remember what it was there for.

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drkt 4 points a year ago
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papertowels 4 points a year ago

This is such a Lemmy/self hosted problem lol

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laserjet 0 points a year ago

Yup the only place to post it. :D

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saddlebag 4 points a year ago

The email tracking is even worse. I really hate the obfuscated links with who knows what embedded tracking. At least the ?ref is clear. It’s brought me close to unsubscribing

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laserjet 3 points a year ago

Email list tracking is much worse.

It gets me riled up because every email list does it. Even when I know that the people who run it have no interest in it. Non-profit, non-creepy organizations have it turned on by default. They may not even be aware of it.

It turns me off the whole concept of email lists because I have to be on guard to not click any of their links by mistake.

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rastacalavera 3 points a year ago

The RSS is a disappointment. I’ve been following that site since day one. I use NetNewsWire for my app. There is a web view toggle that shows maybe 70% of the content correctly. The updates and new software don’t render correctly.

It use to work fine, I want to say this is something to do with the ghost platform. It drives you to the web site. I’d be more inclined to just go to the website every Friday rather than have a broken rss.

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RobotZap10000 3 points a year ago

My RSS reader, Akregator, has an option to open every article in an embedded web browser. I use this feature precisely for these kinds of situations. Most artists that I follow have their own websites with proper RSS feeds, but others only post on Bluesky or similar, that also only show the title and body text. If I can't follow them through RSS, I just don't follow them at all. I can't be bothered to have their newsletter clog up my inbox or use some third-party service that will probably shut down when I least expect it to.

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mouse 3 points a year ago

The ?ref tag is from the Ghost blogging platform. https://forum.ghost.org/...

This is called β€œOutbound link tagging” - you can configure this on the Analytics Settings page (/ghost/#/settings/analytics)

And yeah, they do the same as GamingOnLinux with not including the content in the RSS feeds.

Forgot to give my opinion. The ref tag doesn't bother me because it's not giving any private information up, besides where I am from just like the referrer header does. I am kind of conflicted with the RSS feeds because I personally use them for many things, however I understand that these places need to advertise to make money (though I block ads too).

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laserjet 2 points a year ago

I'm sure a lot (the majority) of people who are interested in selfhosting block ads. Need a different business model.

On the other hand a lot of people interested in selfhosting appear to have cash to throw around on their hobby. Might be better to

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ikidd 3 points a year ago

The ?ref doesn't bother me at all. Most of the target sites don't even recognize it and if they do, I'm not sure what they'd do with it. Most of the links are to Github anyway and what is that going to mean to them?

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nesc 2 points a year ago

nay

rude

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darkan15 2 points a year ago

There is an update on the RSS situation of selfh.st; TL, DR: seems to be related to ways to monetize, so now it's available to paid subscription, but for free have to visit site to read.

https://selfh.st/...

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