Pope prepares to canonise London-born teenager nicknamed ‘God’s influencer’

Carlo Acutis, who died in 2006 and built websites to spread Catholic message, to become first millennial saint

ToastedRavioli 29 points a year ago

His mother claims it was around the time of his funeral that he started to work miracles, and last year the late Pope Francis credited Acutis with two. The first, the Vatican said, involved the recovery of a boy in Brazil from a rare congenital disease affecting his pancreas; the second was the healing of a student in Florence with bleeding on the brain after suffering a head trauma, and whose mother had prayed at Acutis’s tomb in Assisi.

This is honestly a pretty strange situation. I dont practice the faith anymore, and havent for a long time, but IIRC I thought for someone to become a saint that they have to have had miracles occur during their lifetime. I dont understand how things occurring after his death are used as a justification, especially when they arent really directly related to him. Nor are they exemplary situations that are completely inexplicable, and could just seem miraculous due to our imperfect understanding of medical science…

The speed at which Acutis has been canonised, especially when compared with Frassati, is part of the church’s quest to attract more young people to the faith. “That’s exactly the point,” said Andrea Vreede, Vatican correspondent for NOS, the Dutch public radio and TV network. “The church wants to have a young saint who is a millennial, somebody who belongs to the modern age.”

When you pair it with the fact that they are quite literally rushing this through, when its normally a decades long investigative process, makes it seem like quite a crock. I mean it is religion after all, but even still I feel like devout Catholics would be highly skeptical of this even. People who had crazy stuff happen during their lifetime, like allegedly developing the stigmata, arent even canonized at this pace. Seems like its all just a ruse to try and draw impressionable youth into the faith

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RagnarokOnline 17 points a year ago

The criteria for sainthood is three-fold:

The person must be dead.
The person must have lived a life of heroic virtue for the Christian life.
There must be more than 1 confirmed miracle attributed to the potential saint AFTER they have died. (Though I think martyrs only need 1 miracle.)

The idea in the Catholic faith is that the dead watch the living and plead with God on the living’s behalf. Therefore, if a miracle happens after a person has prayed to a potential Saint, that Saint may be attributed with that miracle (for the proposes of sainthood).

I like to think of it like the commission that clothing store clerks get. When you go to make your purchase at the Bloomingdale’s, the cashier would say “Did anyone help you with your purchase today?” And if you say “yes, Mandy recommended I get the red windbreaker instead of the grey overcoat”, then Mandy the store clerk gets the credit for the sale.

The potential saint gets credit for the miracle. There’s usually a long investigation by the church to prove that 1) a miracle actually happened, and 2) that the saint was “involved” somehow. In this case it seems like the investigation was abbreviated.

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NoneOfUrBusiness 13 points a year ago

The idea in the Catholic faith is that the dead watch the living and plead with God on the living’s behalf. Therefore, if a miracle happens after a person has prayed to a potential Saint, that Saint may be attributed with that miracle (for the proposes of sainthood).

Wow that is pagan as hell. I never quite realized it but when you put it that way it's really interesting how similar Catholicism is to East Asian religions (my point of comparison is Shinto, but if I'm not mistaken these aspects aren't unique to it). The dead looking over and protecting the living, being able to deify and worship dead people of note and of course rigid priest hierarchies. I wonder if there's an anthropological or otherwise scientific reason for this.

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RagnarokOnline 6 points a year ago

I think your statements about paganism is what the Protestant branch of Christianity would say as well.

Another slightly unrelated anecdote: I once heard from a former priest that Catholics pray to the saints because they can’t believe that a father (male-like God figure) could be compassionate and would care about their troubles. I don’t know if that’s true, but I think it’s an indictment of men as fathers in general :/

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prole 4 points a year ago

The idea in the Catholic faith is that the dead watch the living and plead with God on the living’s behalf.

Ah right... Straight from the Bible.

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NoneOfUrBusiness 3 points a year ago

In practice, there is no major Christian group whose beliefs actually follow from the Bible.

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prole 1 point a year ago

I'm not sure that's the lights out argument that you think it is...

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HootinNHollerin 26 points a year ago

Church Trying to delay fading into obscurity and only being remembered for raping kids

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NoneOfUrBusiness 8 points a year ago

They're only really fading into obscurity in the West. Africa and Central/South America are as Catholic as ever.

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Whirlygirl9 25 points a year ago

According to the news this morning his family is incredibly wealthy, made a movie about him, and have been lobbying the church hard.

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prole 22 points a year ago

So fucking cringe

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neuracnu 11 points a year ago

You’ll love the bronze statue of him then.

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prole 6 points a year ago

Literally Jesus goddamn Christ

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lagoon8622 3 points a year ago

that_smile.jxl

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