Your Therapists’ Notes Could Become Fodder For AI

a year ago by Novi Sad to c/privacy

Tech companies are marketing AI-based note-taking software to therapists as a new time-saving tool. But by signing up, providers may be unknowingly offering patients’ sensitive health information as data fodder to the multibillion-dollar AI therapy industry.
obsidianfoxxy7870 34 points a year ago

I also hate that there is never an option to opt out of this service either.

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muxika 24 points a year ago

Jeff Goldblum's Jurassic Park monologue feels appropriate here.

"You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could and before you even knew it you had it. You patented it and packaged it and slapped it on a plastic lunch box, and now your selling it!"

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Albbi 8 points a year ago

Great quote!

32 year old movie... I love/hate when old movie quotes are more relevant today than when the movie came out.

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solarvector 2 points a year ago

Sure you can. Just, you know, don't need therapy.

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doinky 2 points a year ago

Not universally true— with my healthcare network there is a consent form that allows you to decline the use of AI for online appointments, and for in-person they request verbal consent. I make sure to decline every time.

Just wanted to share so that people can check if opting out is possible (for now at least).

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solrize 23 points a year ago path: 0 19452099, hotness: undefined, score: 23, children: 8
rabbitcat 0 points a year ago
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eldavi 7 points a year ago

i think that the worse thing about this is that the people committing the same crime are made millionaires and will never receive any sort of comeuppance for it.

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rabbitcat 1 point a year ago

True.

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UltraGiGaGigantic 4 points a year ago

Prisons shouldn't be cruel and unusual. If you think Finnish prisons are so good compared to being free in your country... what do you think that says about your country?

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HiddenLayer555 2 points a year ago
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rabbitcat 1 point 8 months ago
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rabbitcat 0 points a year ago
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HiddenLayer555 3 points a year ago

Finland to financial criminals victimizing the entire country:

Finland to the actual victims:

(Hi from Canada where the courts do the same thing and then get all high and mighty about being "progressive" and "rehabilitative" when the victims express their grievances)

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irmadlad 18 points a year ago

I wonder how hard it would be to set up an AI honeypot that attracted AI scrapers, but all the data contained in the honeypot was poisoned.

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XenGi 22 points a year ago

Pretty easy. It's called a tar pit.

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irmadlad 11 points a year ago path: 0 19451830 19451871 19451958, hotness: undefined, score: 11, children: 1
ganymede 6 points a year ago

tar pits target the scrapers.

were you talking also about poisoning the training data?

two distinct (but imo highly worthwhile) things

tar pits are a bit like turning the tap off (or to a useless trickle). fortunately it’s well understood how to do it efficiently and it’s difficult to counter.

poisoning is a whole other thing. i’d imagine if nothing comes out of the tap the poison is unlikely to prove effective. there could perhaps be some clever ways to combine poisoning with tarpits in series, but in general they’d be deployed separately or at least in parallel.

bear in mind to meaningfully deploy a tar pit against scrapers you usually need some permissions on the server, it may not help too much for this exact problem in the article (except for some short term fuckery perhaps). poisoning this problem otoh is probably important

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ganymede 2 points a year ago
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mondomon 11 points a year ago

This is really bad. We don't need Palintir getting a hold of our private health info. My damn doctor is even using this shit.

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prex 9 points a year ago

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Someonelol 8 points a year ago

Those who were too paranoid to visit a shrink were justified all along.

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StarMerchant938 7 points a year ago
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HiddenLayer555 6 points a year ago

This is why I self medicate with cannabis instead of going to therapy. Never have to worry about my dumbass high thoughts getting stolen. /s /s

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bathing_in_bismuth 4 points a year ago

Haha, because of my notes AI will finally be defeated!

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Jimmycrackcrack 3 points a year ago

You know, as with a lot of these tech advances that impinge upon privacy and put us at risk in the name of profit, the buy-in, the thing they're offering in exchange, IS actually pretty worthwhile. This is extremely useful. It's such a shame that all this cool Star Trek shit that I would have been giddy about as a kid has been realised, but at a sinister and often hidden cost.

Is there any way this can be done on local metal? Would it achieve the same level of accuracy and sophistication of the progress notes? Because if this can be offered to the therapists that wanted it enough in the first place that they either knowingly or unwittingly sacrificed their patient's privacy for it, maybe they can be given an alternative.

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Novocirab 3 points a year ago

I think nothing stands in the way of doing this on local metal, as far as technology goes. Something similar has already been achieved for personal photo sorting, e.g. https://ente.io/

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UltraGiGaGigantic 3 points a year ago

Don't worry everyone, I've undiagnosed myself. Everything is okay. I'm fine. This is fine.

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DieserTypMatthias 3 points a year ago

Thank god mine still uses paper notebook.

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