proper gander

a year ago by db0 to c/ausomememes

Cross-posted from "proper gander" by @Deceptichum@quokk.au in !autismmemes@lemmy.zip

A_Union_of_Kobolds 61 points a year ago

Silly me thinking it boiled down to "critical thinking skills" and "a severe hatred for being sold to"

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sp3ctr4l 28 points a year ago

Yeah pretty much.

My whole way of describing this:

Autistic people process context, body language, microexpressions, tonal inflections... fonts, color schemes, vocabulary and phrasing...

Autistic people tend to evaluate all elements of communication consciously.

Whereas NTs tend to evaluate a whole lot of that subconsciously.

They just flub over details all the time, do a fast but often innacurate heuristic, which they often are not even aware they are doing, which allows them to generally 'socialize' faster, more rapidly, more easily.

But autistic people tend toward actively processing every detail they can recognize that is presented to them.

So, it is thus harder for an autistic person to start learning all these various possibly relevant details, and make the correct pattern associations, and do the actual interpretive process... but once they actually do figure out how to do this, they tend to notice a lot more details and patterns, a lot more accurately, than most NTs.

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murdoc 6 points a year ago

@sp3ctr4l @A_Union_of_Kobolds
Sounds a lot like the top-down vs. bottom-up styles of thinking that often differentiates allistic and autistic people.

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sp3ctr4l 6 points a year ago

Sort of, at least for myself.

Granted, I only have Autism and not ADHD, but it seems to me that the top down vs bottom up descriptions I can find are innacurate.

Autistics love, demand, well defined categories, and once they are established to a logically coherent and resilient degree, they can be used as new set of tools to either start from, aim toward, or attempt to associate with other categories or specifics.

Most of the language I can find on this... tends to describe autistic 'bottom up' thinkers as basically not being able to use or construct categories, which frankly I find quite insulting, I am better with logically consistent categories than any allistic person I've ever met in the real, full stop.

Find me an allistic set theory mathematician, prove me wrong lol.

And also, this top down bottom up language or framework I am finding also misses the crucial distinction that I am making, that for an autist, thoughts are active, conscious, an autistic is rattling off their entire thought process in real time when rambling, can trace every step of it if someone is willing to listen to all of that.

Allistics largely don't, and largely can't, not without teaching themselves how to introspect and do metacognition... whereas those things are basically the default for autistics.

The sort of 'thought paralysis' that an Autistic person can experience... I would say that in fact largely comes down to the realization of a fundamental category break, that is so significant that it basically demands a total refactoring of the Autistic's consciously constructed systemic approach to analyzing/understanding ... potentially, their entire existence.

A person who doesn't care about or use categories would just brush this off, for an Autistic, it is potentially an existential crisis.

I also find it funny that a psychologist could literally just ask an Autistic person like myself how this works, what the actual train of thought is, how it works... and, unless they are also autistic, they never do, they just do their best at theorizing, and so far, well they are slowly getting there, sort of.

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murdoc 2 points a year ago

@sp3ctr4l
Hmm, I don't know if bottom up precludes the use of categories. When I use them, I still try to collect more data to add towards supporting or going against the category. I only rely on them when expediency is required. Whereas allists prefer to rely on them. But I am ADHD as well, to add another data point.

I get what you are saying about the conscious vs. subconscious difference. I just noticed that the pattern was similar to the top-down/bottom up thing so was wondering if there is a connection. Clearly I need more data. :blob_cat_thinking: 😛

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blarghly 7 points a year ago

You're on Lemmy. Autism confirmed.

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A_Union_of_Kobolds 1 point a year ago

Oh its both for sure

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Deflated0ne 28 points a year ago

I recognize all advertisements as the propaganda they are. Not to say it doesn't work on me. It works on everyone.

But when I make the decision to buy something I look for product reviews by consumers who have actually purchased the product. Not those obvious fake reviews pinned to the top. I'm not enticed by a market tested jingle or enraptured by bright colors.

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Lost_My_Mind 4 points a year ago

Eat at Joe's!

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Zorsith 1 point a year ago

sigh

Joe who?

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webghost0101 27 points a year ago

The tradeoff for me is that i get unreasonably upset when ads are plastered in my face.

There are minor parts of my commute that I learned to walk with my eyes closed just to not have to see them, other parts where i only look in the “tranquil” direction.

I will stop watching or leave the site if i cannot block or instantly skip on less then 1 second. Whatever content beyond it isn’t worth the psycho-assault.

The internet has become incredibly small for me over the years and its deeply saddening.

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VampirePenguin 9 points a year ago

This is also how I feel about advertising, especially any that have an audio component. Firefox and uBlock Origin are a lifesaver.

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oddlyqueer 3 points a year ago

I don't have a great memory in general, but I spend a great deal of mental effort on remembering which gas stations around me have autoplaying ads with sound. Dunno why that's my line in the sand but I cannot tolerate just standing there having car insurance blasted into my ears.

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Geodad 14 points a year ago

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murdoc 8 points a year ago

@Geodad @db0
Yeah, I didn't like the implication of "immune". I would have preferred something like "...likely more able to recognize and be resistant to than most (or average) people...".

Can't say I'm crazy about the picture either.

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DragonTypeWyvern 13 points a year ago

https://research.manchester.ac.uk/...

You may, in fact, be more vulnerable to propaganda and radicalization, including memes telling you you are immune to propaganda.

https://thedebrief.org/...

But you're neutral on conspiracy thinking, so that's nice.

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ChaoticNeutralCzech 13 points a year ago

It takes me weeks to decide on an item to buy, even if it's something I genuinely need. I'm perhaps overcompensating for my past impulsive purchases.