This should be a pinned post as it really captures the essence of my experience so far.

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vlad76 229 points 3 years ago

XKCD is amazing.

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ericjmorey 206 points 3 years ago

Randall Monroe has provided me with weekly nibbles of entertainment for nearly 2 decades. But this was inspired by his style, not created by him.

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vlad76 47 points 3 years ago

I realize that now. Well done!

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ericjmorey 36 points 3 years ago

I also did not create this.

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vlad76 46 points 3 years ago

In that case. It's terrible! I hate it!

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posedexposed 12 points 3 years ago

Next you’re gonna tell us you don’t even selfhost

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ioslife 0 points 3 years ago

You made this? I made this.

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TrustingZebra 20 points 3 years ago

Do you remember what the original was?

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dan 44 points 3 years ago

I think it's https://xkcd.com/1425/

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Dadifer 30 points 3 years ago

Funny, now it's easy to check for birds.

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lemmyvore 55 points 3 years ago

If by "easy" you mean someone else already spent 5 years and a nice chunk of cash training a model for it, which you get to use. And if you accept that it will not be accurate across all possible species and environments, only very specific subsets.

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JohnDClay 29 points 3 years ago

In the 60s, Marvin Minsky assigned a couple of undergrads to spend the summer programming a computer to use a camera to identify objects in a scene. He figured they'd have the problem solved by the end of the summer. Half a century later, we're still working on it.

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Willer 3 points 3 years ago

*yippies in image processing degree

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ericjmorey 12 points 3 years ago

This is original work. The source is in the post.

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SheeEttin 12 points 3 years ago

For a generous definition of "original".

Edit: very generous, since it's just new text on the second panel in https://xkcd.com/1269/

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turmacar 1 point 3 years ago

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pastthepixels 7 points 3 years ago

A bit of reverse image searching reveals this was the original XKCD comic (more specifically, the top middle panel): https://xkcd.com/1269/

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the_third 178 points 3 years ago

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sv1sjp 22 points 3 years ago

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

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wax 17 points 3 years ago

I was curious and looked up the origins of 'ham'. Apparently it originates from "ham-fisted" describing second-rate morse-code skills of telegraphists before radio was a thing

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Pretzilla 3 points 3 years ago

Interesting. I've originally heard it loosely attributed as a kind of homophone aberration where 'ham' comes from 'hamature'. But maybe it's vice-versa, or that's a corporate line from the organization ARRL Amateur Radio Relay League.

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LrdThndr 5 points 3 years ago

As a self-hoster thats also a ham…

Fucking ow.

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spez 119 points 3 years ago

Self hosted

Cloud provided media storage

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ericjmorey 77 points 3 years ago

You want to talk about it?

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darelik 79 points 3 years ago

Don't threaten me with a good time

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dan 32 points 3 years ago

It could be their own cloud. I refer to my VPSes as "the cloud" even though that's still self-hosting. My "cloud storage" would just be a 10TB storage VPS I've got.

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SkyNTP 13 points 3 years ago

No one else uses the term "cloud" like that.

That part of this comic really stuck out like a sore thumb. I can't tell if it's an oversight, a comment about the challenges of self-hosting, or subtle mockery of self-hosting hypocrisy.

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dan 24 points 3 years ago

No one else uses the term "cloud" like that

Broadly, "the cloud" is just someone else's computer. VPSes still fall into that definition. A lot of VPS providers describe themselves as "cloud" now too (eg one of the main hosts I use, HostHatch, describes themselves that way on their site).

If a single AWS EC2 or Lightsail server (which is essentially just a VPS in one region) is considered to be "in the cloud", why not a much cheaper, more powerful server with a different provider?

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lefixxx 9 points 3 years ago

Nextcloud can be selfhosted

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dan 3 points 3 years ago

My interpretation of "cloud provided media storage" in the context of self-hosting is something like seaweedfs.

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kadotux 7 points 3 years ago

I use "my personal cloud" all the time. But that's just me.

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A10 1 point 3 years ago

I got another one. Self hosted but tunneled through cloudflare

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p5f20w18k 3 points 3 years ago

I don’t like the use of the word cloud, makes it sound like some mystical virtual environment in the sky that anyone can use and it just works.

It’s someone else’s computer, nothing more

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tal 4 points 3 years ago

I broadly agree that "cloud" has an awful lot of marketing fluff to it, as with many previous buzzwords in information technology.

However, I also think that there was legitimately a shift from a point in time where one got a physical box assigned to them to the point where VPSes started being a thing to something like AWS. A user really did become increasingly-decoupled from the actual physical hardware.

With a physical server, I care about the actual physical aspects of the machine.

With a VPS, I still have "a VPS". It's virtualized, yeah, but I don't normally deal with them dynamically.

With something like AWS, I'm thinking more in terms of spinning up and spinning down instances when needed.

I think that it's reasonable to want to describe that increasing abstraction in some way.

Is it a fundamental game-changer? In general, I don't think so. But was there a shift? Yeah, I think so.

And there might legitimately be some companies for which that is a game-changer, where the cost-efficiencies of being able to scale up dynamically to handle peak load on a service are so important that it permits their service to be viable at all.

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curbstickle 1 point 10 months ago

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PlexSheep 1 point 3 years ago

Asking for a friend, where do you get a 10TB VPS and how much does it cost?

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DrQuint 17 points 3 years ago

This counts as discussion of self-hosting.

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csolisr 4 points 3 years ago

My case is a variant of that - I used to host on a VPS, but the storage available was extremely expensive for, say, more than 16 GB. Tired of having to trim data literally daily, I went and purchased a home server with all the storage I would need. The problem? My home internet, being residential, is behind CG-NAT (not even a dynamic IP!), and that means renting a (much cheaper) VPS solely to expose my server to the open internet with a static IP.

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dan 1 point 3 years ago

For exposing your server to the internet, a $10/year 512MB RAM VPS would be more than enough. You can also get VPSes with way more storage for a reasonable price, especially during Black Friday. The VPS I'm hosting Lemmy and Mastodon on has 99GB disk space and is only $33/year, but that was part of a limited sale.

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Willer 1 point 3 years ago

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Willer 1 point 3 years ago

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korewa 100 points 3 years ago

I’m in this picture and it’s making me feel uncomfortable

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MonsiuerPatEBrown 47 points 3 years ago

And this is why I love my admin(s) be they human or ai i have no idea how or why but thank you for doing it.

i feel like i am showing up to a garden party in a nice pair of slacks, blazer, and shoes and everyone else is in a mecha

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h_a_r_u_k_i 39 points 3 years ago

insert Thanos stone meme.

We self host an instance to share knowledge about self-hosting that instance.

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PersnickityPenguin 52 points 3 years ago

Reminds me of early days of Linux.

You should ditch windows and switch to Linux! It has everything!

What I can I do on it?

You can compile your own kernel!

....

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Xylight 4 points 3 years ago

We must self host an instance to discuss self hosting instances to discuss self hosting the instance.

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regalia 39 points 3 years ago

Most self hosting isn't even needed but it sure as hell is satisfying

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dan 3 points 3 years ago

Is anything we do even needed?

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milkjug 36 points 3 years ago

This is 100% me but for Lemmy.

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xtremeownage 5 points 3 years ago

Can confirm, lol

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hoodlem 34 points 3 years ago

LMAO. So, so true and I have no problem with it. Self-hosted seems to be one of the most active communities on Lemmy. I learn a lot and y’all all seem cool.

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Zak 31 points 3 years ago

I've been self-hosting Mastodon for a while and mostly using it to share bird photography, but also to provide comments on a static site. Since Mastodon and Lemmy both speak ActivityPub, those get crossposted to /c/flashlight so Lemmy comments are also included on my site. Federation is cool.

I don't follow many accounts that post Fediverse meta stuff on Mastodon. While I have some interest in the best examples of that content, the only way to attract a broader community is to promote accounts and content appealing to the interests of that broader audience.

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dan 12 points 3 years ago

Wow, that comments section is really nice! How did you implement it? Does the site also use ActivityPub and subscribe to the thread?

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Zak 3 points 3 years ago

It uses the Mastodon API in a client-side script adapted from this one.

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Rai 1 point 3 years ago

Mmmmmmmm Emisar… I picked up the DT8 recently and it’s absolutely hilarious. I love it so much.

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Norgur 26 points 3 years ago

I should docker a Mastodon instance behind my reverse proxy asap!

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roofuskit 1 point 3 years ago

I think you a word.

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Transcriptionist 23 points 3 years ago

Image Transcription:

A one-panel XKCD-style comic with the title "The Self-Hoster" One character is seated at a computer, talking to a second character standing behind their chair. Character one says: "It took all weekend, but now that I have a Mastodon instance running in Docker behind a reverse proxy with cloud-provided media storage, I can enjoy interacting with a federated network of other users without compromising on privacy or content moderation." Character two replies: "Cool, what kinds of topics does your network discuss?" Character one replies: "Our experiences self-hosting Mastodon instances, mostly."

[I am a human, if I’ve made a mistake please let me know. Please consider providing alt-text for ease of use. Thank you. 💜]

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ericjmorey 15 points 3 years ago

The only mistake I see is attributing the work to XKCD.

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Transcriptionist 9 points 3 years ago

Hm, I guess I assumed based on the style. It's an edit? I'm not really sure what to call it then. I've edited my post but if you have any suggestions please let me know.

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ericjmorey 18 points 3 years ago

It's an original work in the style of XKCD

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anton 0 points 2 years ago

The image is a cropped xkcd with the text replaced but the same joke.

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admin 21 points 3 years ago

Love it. . IMO opinion self hosted instances are the coolest thing about federated social media and it's part of how we will take back the internet from the corporations that have captured it.

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Kangie 19 points 3 years ago

IMO opinion

You know what 'IMO' is an acronym for, right?

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JuxtaposedJaguar 9 points 3 years ago

SMH my head

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spez_ 5 points 3 years ago

IMO my opinion I don't know

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Comment105 2 points 3 years ago

In My Own opinion, lmao ass off.

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Infinity187 -12 points 3 years ago

Wow.....you really believe this?

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QuazarOmega 3 points 3 years ago

Only one way to find out!

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angelsomething 20 points 3 years ago

Hey why the personal attack.

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ericjmorey 12 points 3 years ago

Collateral damage can't always be avoided.

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JuxtaposedJaguar 17 points 3 years ago

Meh, it's a hobby. Lots of people talk about their hobbies.

Still a funny comic, though.

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willya 16 points 3 years ago

Hope that’s mostly a joke.

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punkcoder 23 points 3 years ago

its not.

Edit: https://cybercitizen.group/public/local

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lemmyvore 18 points 3 years ago

Of course it's a joke. We also host other things not just Mastodon. 🙄

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punkcoder 3 points 3 years ago

Hey… wanna start a lemmy instance?

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ericjmorey 4 points 3 years ago

Me too

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Kolanaki 15 points 3 years ago

I was on Lemmy for a month before I realized this was a community about hosting servers, and not the Lemmy equivalent of a self.post from Reddit. 🤦‍♂️

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MajorHavoc 14 points 3 years ago

I feel seen.

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flerp 7 points 3 years ago

Privacy compromised!

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Decronym 14 points 3 years ago

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

Fewer Letters	More Letters
IP	Internet Protocol
NAT	Network Address Translation
VPN	Virtual Private Network
VPS	Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting)

4 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 4 acronyms.

[Thread #84 for this sub, first seen 27th Aug 2023, 20:05] [FAQ] [Full list] [Contact] [Source code]

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infyrin 12 points 3 years ago

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HawlSera 11 points 3 years ago

I hate googling things and just being lead back to reddit... Where my account was permabanned for "Report Abuse", something literally not even discussed in their TOS

And they're not every clear on if I'm allowed to use an alternate account, they just said "If you go onto another account and continue this misbehavior it'll be banned", which sounds like I'm allowed to use an alt, but..... only if it plays by the rules, but else where I'm seeing that "Ban Evasion" is against the rules, so which is it Jim Jam?

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uranibaba 13 points 3 years ago

I hate googling things and just being lead back to reddit

This is so far my biggest problem med Lemmy and federation in general, all content is not in one place. It was nice just searching for problem x reddit and you found a solution 9/10 times (because you had everything in one place).

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HawlSera 7 points 3 years ago

That and the Specific Fandoms aren't here, no FNAF, no Sonic, no Taco Bill, no Mudkips, nothing

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GiuseppeAndTheYeti 2 points 3 years ago

Make them

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dx1 7 points 3 years ago

Their stance is that you personally are banned for life from subs regardless of which account. Would be a real shame if your IP got changed between accounts, your cookies and local storage got cleared, and you never mentioned the old account again. You could accidentally post in a sub you got banned from, and they wouldn't be able to helpfully re-ban you from the sub!

If you were still trying to spend time on reddit in the first place at least.

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JuxtaposedJaguar 1 point 3 years ago

That's what my "friend" did. Reddit banned every account he used on his phone at once, but with a different IP, desktop browser, and cookie isolation, they haven't noticed so far. He might sound like some professional troll, but he was actually banned for a stupid reason.

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HawlSera 0 points 3 years ago

huh

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midas10 1 point 3 years ago

I genuinely think Reddit might be the worst social media site just cause of the egregious amount of echo chambering. And I'm not even talking about only one side of the political spectrum is on the site, it's sub-dependent. If you don't fully agree with anything in a community you run the risk of the ban hammer at the very least in the community and possibly even site-wide. Every single community (and apparently Reddit) has at least one rule that's vague enough for them to justify removing posts/banning people they don't like with it. And even worse, everyone on the site thinks they're the epitome of intelligence cause they've been in their circlejerk forever.

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HawlSera 2 points 3 years ago

The kind of people who mistake their own ass for an air freshener.

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madargon 1 point 3 years ago

@midas10 @HawlSera this is the reason I got rid of reddit long before last chaos. It was like everyone tried to send message "you could think exactly like us or you are traitor, crazy, human trash and you deserve the worst". It was too exhausting for me.

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Jumuta 1 point 3 years ago

tbf I feel like lemmy also has a lot of echo chambering, it's literally 70% tech nerds and nearly everyone is atheist

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hottari 9 points 3 years ago

I don't host a Mastodon but I can feel this.

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roofuskit 9 points 3 years ago

No alt-text makes me sad. Can't be an xkcd without it.

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XTornado 9 points 3 years ago

"Found myself moderating chats about my Mastodon moderation setup."

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ericjmorey 1 point 3 years ago

It's not XKCD

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Lemmling 9 points 3 years ago

Now I have to self host mastodon to join the party 🥳

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shrugal 8 points 3 years ago

This sounds complicated, but it's pretty standard practice and probably a matter of minutes to set up if you have self-hosted other services before. What takes more time is the stuff that's not standard, like ominous configuration options.

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teuniac_ 1 point 3 years ago

Very easy to set up and almost no work to maintain*

If you, despite knowing better, rarely update your containers and host OS and often think about a list of other important tasks that you have yet to do.

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1984 5 points 3 years ago

Accurate. We care about privacy and quality. A rare breed.

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FuyuhikoDate 4 points 3 years ago

Hmm... Maybe i should write a Post about my Problems with the home Assistant App ^^

But Unfortunatally i mostly think "the official forum might be a better Place?"

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Hazdaz 3 points 3 years ago