41 young males die in South Africa after circumcision initiation ceremonies
8 months ago by OutForARip to c/world
You should really try reading your own article. These boys died from negligence and unsafe conditions...all of which are avoidable. Keep your bigotry out of it.
These boys died from an unnecessary procedure that should never have been performed on a child who cannot consent. Keep your child abuse out of it.
I get that it's hard for you to accept other people's cultural identities, but that's no excuse to call it child abuse. The issue here is performing a rather simple procedure without proper training or adherence to basic safety standards.
Culture does not excuse child abuse. If they truly want to go through with this, let them do so as adults with minds that are fully developed.
The "procedure" you're referring to is, by definition, genital mutilation. Which is intentionally inflicting trauma on a child. That is child abuse.
If they were truly able to consent (which is not possible due to power imbalance), then maybe you'd have an argument. Maybe. But the truth is this "procedure" is for the express purpose of forcing puritanical beliefs and lifestyle into another. So, again, its literally child abuse.
Believing that your religious views override any of this? That's bigotry.
It is child abuse. You only do it because it's always been done before. That's what cultural means. You have No reason, other than, we've always done it, so we can never rethink it. That's what you're saying. Never question the reason. Don't think about if it's right or wrong, it's "cultural" therefore we just do it blindly without questioning. And you, the person acting blindly, following cruel practices, just because they've always been done, thinks you're in the right, and everyone who can think for themselves and question things, is just wrong. You know that's delusional, right.
The culture I'm from is mostly fucked up shit.
Just because it's traditional does not mean it isn't fucked up shit. Could I be wrong because I don't know the context? Totally! But melanin is just color, not inherent fucking virtue. Don't fetishize other cultures. They could suck as much as yours.
If you define your cultural identity by the need to unnecessarily mutilate the genitals of children, then your culture is shit and does not deserve respect or acceptance.
Take a step back and consider what it is you're defending here.
Its a cultural institution to rape children in TERF islander private schools.
Tell me why this is different, admit you're a disingenuous lying fuck defending sick shit for made up dogmatic reasons you have no understanding of, or admit you're a pedophile.
Using derogatory terms like that is what makes it bigotry.
Using the term "mutilation" to describe someone's perfectly healthy penis, is a form of bigotry.
There is zero biological reason to remove foreskin. It's objectively mutilation.
I'm circumsized. I did not give anyone permission to remove a part of my penis that was perfectly healthy when I was an infant and could not consent. I want you to quantify to me how I was not done wrong, and how my bodily autonomy was not violated. I understand that isn't the case in the article, but it's the perfect example for you to argue.
Also, just because a culture or religion does something doesn't mean I have to support it, and it definitely doesn't make me a bigot to oppose it. Iran will stone women to death under Sharia Law. Am I a bigot for saying stoning women is bad?
Plural mutilations
Synonyms of mutilation
1
: an act or instance of destroying, removing, or severely damaging a limb or other body part of a person or animal
https://www.merriam-webster.com/...
Circumcision is literally a textbook example of the word multilation
I don't think "healthy" describes the loss of sensitivity, slight deformity, scars, and unease I have about mine. And mine was done for medical reasons when there were other alternatives. Mutilation does feel more accurate.
"Stop cutting off the foreskin of literal children and barely-not-children."
"BIGOT!"
-some idiot
So, not mutilating kids' genitals is...bigotry???
Fuck no. Like, seriously, your position is factually incorrect. And, frankly, the tone of superiority makes you sound, well, like a fucking bigot.
Using the term "mutilation" to describe a minor surgical procedure, due to your own cultural biases, is what makes it bigotry.
Is not doing things to children's (or anyone's) bodies without their consent (which they may not be capable of, depending on what for) is a cost? Like, if you were designing a society, would the 'stuff done to the bodies of children (or fucking anyone) without their consent' number be one you're proud of making smaller?
Don't touch their junk and there's no article.
Check your bigotry, and there is no outrage.
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All unnessecary child genital mutilation is fucked up, even when done in the USA or any other country, whether for religious or parental choice reasons. The only appropriate circumcision is for direct medical intervention or by the informed consent of the gentals' owner.
Please ceremonies are usually performed on older adolescent or young adult males. It marks the change from child to adulthood.
Not that I'm in favor of it in any case, but it's not being done on infants, like in North America.
I guess you also disagree with doing any surgery on infants, for the same reason?
Unnecessary procedures to mutilate the body are morally and ethically wrong regardless of the age of the patient.
For fucks sake. How on earth can you be in defense of this abuse? Please, explain why you support this.
Archangel1313... are you okay? Is everything good? I don't see how not wanting people to mutilate other people's genitals is bigotry. Or is this a disingenuous "parents' rights" argument?
So now imagine if that “ritual” never took place-
if in said imagination, you can see that those boys would still be alive, then I’d say you’re half way there.
You’ll be all the way there when you are able to come to this conclusion all on your own.
These boys would still be alive if they had had the procedure done by an actual medical professional, in an actual medical clinic.
Imagine taking a pro-circumcision stance in the comments of an article where 41 boys died as a result of the procedure- all while fully KNOWING that in this day and age, it is a brutal and absolutely unnecessary thing to do begin with.
Those boys would still be alive if assholes stoped butchering children’s genitalia.
END OF DEBATE.
There are valid reasons for parents to choose circumcision. I'm not sure religion is a part of that, and I'm not sure that it isn't. For example, if this were female circumcision based strictly on religion or culture, I'd feel very strongly against it, since it's to curb pleasure and often leads to infection, from bodily fluids not being able to exit. However, malformed genetalia can also cause complications.
I'm glad I never had to choose gender assignment or not because children in middle school can be cruel, so can misassignment, and as we see, adults can be cruel too.
I posit perhaps such complicated decisions not be based entirely on religion or cultural identity of the parents alone, since what the child chooses as an adult may be very different than what the parent prefers.
So at 16 they shouldn't be able to choose what they do with their own dicks? How would this apply if they were trans and wanted bottom surgery? How does it apply to getting one's ears pierced?
Trans people go through long processes and professional oversight to arrive at medical intervention in professional settings. Bottom surgery is not taken lightly in the same way that later in life circumcision should be and should be consented to. Ear piercings are largely inconsequential although I strongly disagree with piercing unwilling children.
Some of the arrest were parents who lied to have it done before their children were 16+ so they were in fact 15.
Not to trust Google entirely but it says that anyone younger than 18 is considered a child in South Africa.
If that is the case then anyone below 18 cannot consent to sex, if they can't consent to sex then they can't consent to surgery or medical procedures. Their parents should not be making the choice for them, it is bodily autonomy for them to choose for themselves when they are a legal adult and not before.
Without nauseating anyone, the tribal methodology really is quite painful and barbaric. A lot of skin is taken.
Well, you know what they say, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. And if it kills you, well, tough.
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