palmtrees2309 48 points 9 months ago

Capitalism for mass transit and Socialism for cars.

path: 0 21720933, hotness: undefined, score: 48, children: 13

GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson -3 points 9 months ago

That is BLANKING BS!

Scandinavia SOCIALIST countries have better Mass Transit, than the Automobile focused & Mass Transit ignored The USA!

path: 0 21720933 21720980, hotness: undefined, score: -3, children: 12

MrMakabar 21 points 9 months ago

You missunderstand that. Mass transit has to finance itself, so it is basically capitalism. Cars on the other hand get a lot of support from the government, so it is much more like socialism.

save

path: 0 21720933 21720980 21721094, hotness: undefined, score: 21, children: 4

AnUnusualRelic 1 point 9 months ago

Mass transit typically doesn't support itself anywhere. It's a net cost for the region / city / whatever that's only partially offset by the fees.

save

path: 0 21720933 21720980 21721094 21736089, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 1

FireRetardant 4 points 9 months ago

Yea, and in north america we barely build any transit because our policy makers see that and go "how the hell will this ever be profitable?"

They would never apply the same attitude to roadway costs though cause we need that for the economy (but somehow transit for the workers isn't also for the econmy)

save

path: 0 21720933 21720980 21721094 21736089 21737723, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0

GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson -3 points 9 months ago

No you misunderstand socialism practice do the same thing.

save

path: 0 21720933 21720980 21721094 21721122, hotness: undefined, score: -3, children: 1

GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson 3 points 9 months ago

Most importantly you miss-understand what Capitalism is, it is always been about moving money up, not making something that is able to financing itself. Only FDR became USA President did at least taxes reach 90%, loopholes did not help though, of businesses/Super Rich Economic Class/Owners & that built a Caucasian Middle Class, living their best lives, a lot better than 70s-until now.
Where Socialism is about moving money down, & under non-Capitalist dominate country, through taxes & out to the rest of the people, in a country.
Also important to know COOP is money moving out to all in the organization & under non-Capitalist dominate country, through all their taxes & out to the rest of the people, in a country. So yes, it does COOP businesses finance themselves.

save

path: 0 21720933 21720980 21721094 21721122 21721160, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0

NewOldGuard 12 points 9 months ago

Scandinavian countries are not socialist…

save

path: 0 21720933 21720980 21722288, hotness: undefined, score: 12, children: 6

snowykitty 5 points 9 months ago

lmao this

save

path: 0 21720933 21720980 21722288 21722508, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 0

GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson -1 points 9 months ago

You are right, I should have said, Democratic-Socialist. Thanks, for bringing the correction to my attention.

save

path: 0 21720933 21720980 21722288 21724047, hotness: undefined, score: -1, children: 4

novibe 2 points 9 months ago

Still wrong. They are 100% liberal capitalist democracies. Welfare states are not socialist.

save

path: 0 21720933 21720980 21722288 21724047 21735608, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 2

lysol 2 points 9 months ago

Social democracy ≠ democratic socialism

save

path: 0 21720933 21720980 21722288 21724047 21735788, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0

Horsecook 31 points 9 months ago

save

path: 0 21720350, hotness: undefined, score: 31, children: 1

Ludicrous0251 8 points 9 months ago

Needed the "Los Angeles" sign in the foreground.

save

path: 0 21720350 21723404, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0

NarrativeBear 26 points 9 months ago

This photo summarizes this concept clearly.

1000054535

Density is the solution. Dense urban areas are the most economically viable portions of a city/town. Large parking lots and wide 4 or 6 lane roads are subsidized on the the otherhand.

Bring places closer that people want to be, no need to build a home in a field and then a Walmart 40min away on the opposite side of town. Only to then need to subsidize the road and parking to get between the two points.

save

path: 0 21733545, hotness: undefined, score: 26, children: 4

Rooty 9 points 9 months ago

How the fuck do you get from the carpark to the stadium in the upper picture? Park you car and then hail a taxi?

save

path: 0 21733545 21736265, hotness: undefined, score: 9, children: 2

FireRetardant 10 points 9 months ago

I've been to some attractions in america that have shuttles for their massive surface level parking lots

save

path: 0 21733545 21736265 21737704, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 1

saimen 3 points 9 months ago

So like buses? That pool several people together? To go always a certain route? Wild idea: Why not extend these "shuttles" to and throughout the city?

save

path: 0 21733545 21736265 21737704 21753314, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0

notso 3 points 9 months ago

Those photos give a nice visual comparison. Do you have a source?

save

path: 0 21733545 21737911, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0

ramble81 14 points 9 months ago

The DFW metroplex is running into the same thing. Even stupider is that the suburbs are voting to leave DART (the bus and metro system) because it “doesn’t benefit them enough”. The way that the middle class will cut off their nose to spite their face is absolutely amazing at times.

save

path: 0 21721926, hotness: undefined, score: 14, children: 0

regdog 2 points 9 months ago

Interesting read

save

path: 0 21737031, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0

GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson -10 points 9 months ago

BINGO, AN EXAMPLE OF OVERPOPULATION AFFECT ON AREAS!

save

path: 0 21720955, hotness: undefined, score: -10, children: 2

NarrativeBear 5 points 9 months ago

Sprawl is actually the issue, density is the solution. It's not necessarily over population but a inefficient use of space.

Here is a excellent video on the concept and it explains how urban areas like city centers actually subsidize suburban areas. Seems counter intuitive but dense urban areas are the most profit generating for a city.

Suburbia is Subsidized: Here's the Math

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nw6qyyrTeI

save

path: 0 21720955 21733487, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 1

GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson 0 points 9 months ago

Totally disagree, because it could be turned into natural & indigenous environment. Overpopulation says we need more automobile parking

save

path: 0 21720955 21733487 21737921, hotness: undefined, score: 0, children: 0