Reposting this from Qasim Rashid, esq. on Mastodon.
(I do know this is discoverable from Mastodon but heck consider it a boost).
Colombo 3 points 3 years ago
It's a bit more nuanced
That is not more nuanced those are plain facts. OP is plainly lying.
She is accused and jailed for voluntarily being a part of a smuggling operation, even when she was explicitly told not to do so by the Italian government.
Compared to completely normal rescue efforts when a boat or plane capsize, when workers are trapped in a mine, when someone is lost in the mountains, or when a bunch of nobodies are taken hostage by a criminal organisation, be it local or abroad.
Again, this is not nuance, those are commonly known facts that OP is lying about.
twelve 18 points 3 years ago
No, it's nuanced. People smuggling worked like this... They would call her (and/or other NGO) and say "we just dropped x people in the sea at these coordinated, bye!". She would go and pick them up (she would not make any money out of this).
What the xenophobic party that was (and kinda is) in power wanted is to her ignore the heads up and let people die in the sea. Because all that party promised to his (debatable) electors is more death in the sea (to scare the other migrants).
Also all this is polical because the vast majority of illegal immigration is through Balkans anyway
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julietOscarEcho 16 points 3 years ago
Ah and I'm sure you have a source for these "facts" and I'm sure they will stand up in court. It's not like the Italian government would just bring unsustainable allegations for political reasons.
julietOscarEcho 44 points 3 years ago
Seeing people suggesting that rescue efforts encourage more people to take the risk of crossing. Not true if you look at the data.
these results strongly suggest that...the absence of SAR operations...has little or no effect on the number of arrivals
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rty654rty654 33 points 3 years ago
Only rich people matter.
Poor people aren't human and therefore don't deserve rights or help.
swnt 21 points 3 years ago
As I grow older and looked more closely at how stuff work in society, I am disappointed, that in many places it does work exactly like this.
sure, in developed countries many "normal" peoel also have many rights, but that'll end quickly if you seriously try to mess with the establishes power structures
happyspark 14 points 3 years ago
I'd argue it's actually "most places" rather than "many". It's not so obvious in day-to-day life but like if I had to take an ambulance tonight, me and my estate would be on the hook for the bill, but a billionaire would not be.
IHeartBadCode 6 points 3 years ago
Poor people aren't human and therefore don't deserve rights or help
Incorrect. Poor people are replaceable with other poor people and eventually with robots. The fact that poor people aren't doing anything today about any of this means that there will come a day where the 1% makes up around 50% of the still living global population.
When we invented the car, horses didn't go get better jobs we just started having fewer horses.
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tcely 10 points 3 years ago
Is it too late to add the link?
dango 2 points 3 years ago
This is from 2019: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/...
Apparently italy has been harassing this specific captian since at least 2017: https://www.reuters.com/..., and apparently the italian government has been going against multiple rescue boats
HallowellNash 2 points 3 years ago
Thank you for doing that! I was not clever enough.
akitten -14 points 3 years ago
The NGOs in this case work with the people smugglers.
The "migrant rescue efforts" cause more people to take the risk. This results in more deaths and illegal crossings from people listening to people smugglers.
julietOscarEcho 18 points 3 years ago
Why do you believe this? It's never been evidenced. Read the section "CRIMINALIZATION OF SEA RESCUE NGOS: A SMEAR CAMPAIGN" in this.
gonzo0815 7 points 3 years ago
People who claim that don't mean literally work with smugglers. They mean, that efforts to save refugees encourages fleeing.
That's about as logical as claiming ambulances are working with drug dealers when they try to save someone ODing.
julietOscarEcho 5 points 3 years ago
It is illogical, not to mention callous. And yet the exaggerated rhetoric persists and whips up negative sentiment towards literal life savers from braindead segments of the far right.
They're wrong about encouraging fleeing too (as if that even needed saying) as I've pointed out elsewhere on the thread.
Thedogspaw 2 points 3 years ago
Your crazy if you don't think people believe this when this is what there told on the news every da
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It's a bit more nuanced than that, she's accused of cooperating with smugglers to stage fake rescue operations, but the suit is still ongoing and I'm not sure if it's legit or not. From what I've seen she seems to be a good person so the suit is possibly bogus.
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