RePsyche 70 points 3 months ago

How much do all those missiles cost? Asking for a friend who would have preferred to have healthcare, education, free electricity, and a fully solvent Social Security system, amongst other peaceful priorities.

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Ilixtze 45 points 3 months ago

Aim for the skies Iran! I'm rooting for a lot more aircraft and a couple of aircraft carriers to be added to that tally!

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FlexibleToast -25 points 3 months ago

I get the sentiment, but that's thousands of deaths.

Edit: It seems we have a ton of war hawks here. I know that Iran is defending itself, as they should. But nobody should be cheering on the war and deaths of thousands on any side. I would cheer on the total withdrawal of the US. I would rather nobody dies senseless deaths.

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ThePantser 45 points 3 months ago

They are completely allowed to refuse these orders but choose to follow them. Congress has not approved this war so it is 100% illegal. No soldier should carry out orders given illegally.

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otter 9 points 3 months ago

allowed to refuse these orders

In practice this rarely happens because of how difficult and uncertain the process is. Especially for those at lower levels

This video has some historical examples

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TwPLqGkYnBA&pp=0gcJCcQBo7VqN5tD

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Cethin 2 points 3 months ago

That's not how that works. An order can be legal whether these attacks are legal, extra-legal, or illegal (they're extra-legal or legal). Congress has given the president power to perform some military actions without their approval. Their approval is needed to declare war, and they're required to be notified of the president taking certain actions (which they weren't at the start, making what the president did illegal, but not the soldiers).

This isn't defending the actions. This is only a statement of fact, letting you and others know you don't know what the fuck you're talking about when you use this saying. Yes, they can (in fact, they must) refuse illegal orders, but that doesn't mean what you're implying.

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FlexibleToast -20 points 3 months ago

Yeah, I can get behind that. But sinking multiple carriers is a bit extreme. I think what we all really want is the immediate withdrawal of those carriers and no more death.

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CommanderCloon 31 points 3 months ago

Extreme? They're getting bombed, their public infrastructure is getting targeted, schoolchildren are dying, but killing US soldiers is a step too far???

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Lileath 17 points 3 months ago

Fascists deserve to die

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Bloomcole 12 points 3 months ago

Nope, they deserve a trauma like Vietnam.

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Sandouq_Dyatha 31 points 3 months ago

-Churchill after Stalin suggested killing 40k nazi officers

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flint 14 points 3 months ago

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orc_princess 27 points 3 months ago

Tell that to the Iranians who are losing their homes, their hospitals, their schools and universities, their offices and of course their lives and the lives of their loved ones

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CommanderCloon 25 points 3 months ago

If the US doesn't want thousands of deaths on their end, maybe they should have considered not attacking Iran.

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FlexibleToast 5 points 3 months ago

Correct, they should not have.

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HiddenLayer555 23 points 3 months ago

Self defense. They rained death on Iran first.

You know how you prevent those deaths? Stop fucking invading Iran. Those deaths are completely on the US's hands.

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flint 20 points 3 months ago

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truthfultemporarily 20 points 3 months ago

What about the thousands of death in Iran? How are we OK with that but retaliating against an attacker in self defense is bad?

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FlexibleToast -14 points 3 months ago

I'm not okay with that. Iran should have never been attacked. Trump should have never left the nuclear deal. Adding more atrocities doesn't make things better.

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truthfultemporarily 20 points 3 months ago

Defending yourself is not an atrocity.

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CommanderCloon 17 points 3 months ago

That would definitely not be "more atrocities", that would simply be self defense, in the most righteous way.

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Ilixtze 19 points 3 months ago

My boys have the right to defend themselves; Also this will be great data if the US or Israel plan future wars of aggression!

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athatet 8 points 3 months ago

Deaths for a pedophile. Shame.

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theuniqueone 24 points 3 months ago

Anything making the US military even slightly less able to enforce imperialism and oppress the world is amazing.

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Akh 23 points 3 months ago

F-35 is supposed to be stealth, it turns out to be extremely expensive garbage. Taxpayers should be angry at Lockheed

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yogthos 31 points 3 months ago

I mean it's stealth in one spectrum. Evidently the geniuses who designed the flying Cybertruck didn't consider other spectrums like thermal.

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Haquer 9 points 3 months ago

Stealth in one spectrum, at very specific angles (mostly front facing). It's a joke

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yogthos 8 points 3 months ago

The whole thing was basically a giant grift from the very start.

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flint 19 points 3 months ago

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ScientifficDoggo 13 points 3 months ago

The defense industry has ALWAYS been a scam though...

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fishy 6 points 3 months ago

Yup, we subsidize them at every step and then pay whatever they ask. Then it all fails to deliver any results.

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Bloomcole 11 points 3 months ago

That has been known a long time, called a 'complete failure' by their own generals.
Took some time to prove it since the cowards never fought an adversary that could defend itself.
Despite plenty of data and negative articles many of our sell-out EU vassals 'decided' to buy these also immensely expensive things.

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Dionysus 6 points 3 months ago

Taxpayers are too stupid to grasp numbers this big.

They only care about the wealth tax on people who make more than 400k a year. That's a number they can understand cause it's roughly a house.

Even though the twats who vote for this rarely hit that level of income.

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Rivalarrival 3 points 3 months ago

The F-35 was designed from the start to be a revenue stream. Everything you hear about it is pure, unadulterated marketing wank.

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gon 20 points 3 months ago

See, if it was called "Epic Furry" instead, everyone in Iran would be a fox by now.

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orc_princess 7 points 3 months ago

This is where they miscalculated

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scottmeme 4 points 3 months ago

One of the Congressman that made a press release original posted it calling it "Epic Furry" before it was updated

Edit: archived version https://web.archive.org/...

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Dionysus 11 points 3 months ago

I'm so tired of winning.

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IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds 11 points 3 months ago

1,948,800,000 about 2 billion of useless junk destroyed.

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SapphironZA 8 points 3 months ago

Thats a lot less than I thought it would be by this stage.

But I also suspect that Iranian military losses are also a lot less than the US is proporting

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Bloomcole 6 points 3 months ago

Before they could use missiles from a safe distance like the cowards they are.
But running low on them so they had to start using more planes recently. (Saw this reported last week)
this increases the risk dramatically.
And 4 hits in 24 hrs reflect this.
Let's hope it goes up a lot more.

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TheGoldenV 6 points 3 months ago

Should probably round down on the low cost of the warthog. Pennies on the dollar.

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how_we_burned 4 points 3 months ago

Kc-135s are more like $100m fly away.

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