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Scotty 40 points 6 months ago

That's a misleading headline to say the least.

Russia and China vetoed resolution on the Strait of Hormuz in the UN Security Council.

The draft resolution sought to strongly encourage States interested in the use of commercial maritime routes in the Strait of Hormuz – which lies between Iran, Oman and the United Arab Emirates – and to “coordinate efforts” defensively, to contribute to ensuring the safety and security of navigation there, including the use of escorts for merchant and commercial vessels.

Zelenzkyy is criticizing the UNSC's failure to adopt the resolution (submitted by Bahrain, Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates), indirectly criticizing Russia and China's veto.

These are the facts.

Now saying, 'Zelensky denounces the UNSC for not launching a military operation against Iran', is an absurdly weird framing imo. Why? Because even if this were true (which is not as Zelenskyy didn't say that), it doesn't tell the whole story. The headline creates a hopelessly distorted narrative that has nothing to do with reality.

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geneva_convenience -16 points 6 months ago

Should the UN also launch a "defensive mission" to protest Russian oil transport and infrastructure against Ukrainian attacks?

There's nothing defensive about intercepting one party's attacks during a war.

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Scotty 21 points 6 months ago

Should the UN also launch a “defensive mission” to protest Russian oil transport and infrastructure against Ukrainian attacks?

A reminder that Russia is the aggressor in this war.

And a second reminder, escorting merchant and commercial vessels to ensure their safe passage through the Strait (which is what the resolution aimed at) is one thing, launching a military operation against Iran (which is what your title suggests) is another.

You may have a different opinion, you may oppose or support the resolution, but the headline creates a false impression of what is happening and what Zelenskyy said.

[Edit typo.]

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wewbull 0 points 6 months ago

And the US / Israel is the aggressor in the war he's commenting on. Ukraine and Iran are both the victim unprovoked attacks, despite being on opposing sides in the global theatre. That's why the question is pertinent.

You could argue that the Arab states are innocent bystanders, and that's why I think Zylenskyy dealing with them on defensive technologies is fine. However he needs to stay away from the main US / Israel <-> Iran conflict. If he's seen as backing Israel it will hurt Ukraine.

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Scotty 10 points 6 months ago

And the US / Israel is the aggressor in the war he’s commenting on.

He is commenting on the UNSC resolution and its failed adoption due to a veto by Russia and China.

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geneva_convenience -5 points 6 months ago

A reminder that Russia is the aggressor in this war.

Aaand who's the agressor in the war against Iran?...

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MrMakabar 8 points 6 months ago

Israel and the US, which would be the ONLY legitimate targets for Iran. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Oman, Thailand and many others are not. Ukraine does not have the right to blow up Bejing for example either.

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Scotty 6 points 6 months ago

As MrMakabar has already said, Israel and the US.

This has, however, nothing to do with the fact that Russia is the aggressor against Ukraine.

And it is completely unrelated to the fact that, no matter what your opinion on the UN resolution is, Zelenskyy criticizes the resolution's failure in the UNSC due to Russia and China's veto. This is, again, not the same as "denounc[ing] the UNSC for not launching a military operation against Iran".

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gravitas_deficiency 14 points 6 months ago

While I understand why he is saying it (Iran has been de facto hostile to Ukraine for years now, what with the shaheds they gave to and helped Russia build, and the US is still a big arms supplier to Ukraine - for now), this is one of the worst statements I’ve seen him make over the entire course of the war, because it is completely ignoring the fact that the war and the blockade of the strait both came about due to military adventurism from Israel and the US.

Which is, you know, the dynamic that started the Ukrainian War too.

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Rose 2 points 6 months ago

It's not like Ukraine would get any help from Iran and its allies even if Zelenskyy fully sided with them though. On the other hand, pandering to the US may have benefits when dealing with someone as narcissistic as Trump. There's a reason Zelenskyy congratulated him on the election even before the votes were counted, same as how he keeps talking to Trump even after that White House humiliation and many other Trump gestures and decisions favorable to Russia.

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gravitas_deficiency 1 point 6 months ago

No, I get it, it’s tactical geopolitics, but it’s also a frustrating stance if one takes a wider view of things

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username_1 13 points 6 months ago
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IntrovertTurtle 5 points 6 months ago

I played too much Halo as a kid...

I read United Naval Space Command, not Security Counsel...

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doo 1 point 6 months ago

The title is factually incorrect. Instead of

Zelensky denounces the UNSC for not launching a military operation against Iran

It should have been something like

Zelensky denounces the UNSC for failing to pass a resolution about Hormuz and for having no means to enforce international safety.

Please change the title to reflect what he actually said. Otherwise this post will be deleted.

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