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Shrike502 16 points 3 years ago

Makes me suspicious. The media machine never says the full (and rarely says incomplete) truth to the general public. The powers that be have their own channels for communicating the actual picture, without us proles knowing

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yogthos 38 points 3 years ago

I think the context here is that there are rifts forming in US government now. There is the neocon camp that wants to keep escalating, and there's the realist camp who say that this has gone as far as it can go. The realists are putting this stuff out so they can point to it later when the war is shown to be a debacle and use it for political leverage against the neocons.

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ihaveibs 16 points 3 years ago

I think the neocon camp is the war with China camp

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yogthos 29 points 3 years ago

Oh yeah, that's always been the end game for them.

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ProbablyKaffe 11 points 3 years ago

Blinken, Sullivan, and Nuland are 100% card carrying neocons. The Neocons who crafted the Iraq invasion are in the Democrat camp now.

Both the Realists and Neocons are anti-China. The Realists are the ones that took down the USSR and think the Neocons are blowing it.

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ksynwa 11 points 3 years ago

It has also become a partisan wedge issue between democrats and republicans. Democrats are less likely criticise their participation because they are getting to enjoy their own righteous crusade. Then a sect of republicans has the chance to call them out.

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yang_wenli 11 points 3 years ago

Perhaps a bit individualist of me, but I do feel there are many that have turned this into a pet project. Especially Biden and Blinken, their careers now live or die by at least stretching the conflict and maintaining its intensity.

They have no choice, to backdown now would be to admit to the warhawk faction they are totally incapable. It'll be Afghanistan pullout 2.0 but 10x politically devastating. The Republicans would riot.

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yogthos 23 points 3 years ago

I definitely agree, a lot of prominent politicians in the west have effectively staked their political careers on the success of the war. This makes it impossible for them to look for any sort of compromise. The concerning part here is that it could easily lead to NATO boots on the ground, and we're already seeing article being published calling for that. That would basically mean WW3.

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