Not an American either but I think it's more like democrates threatens the voters that if they don't vote for them, republicans are gonna kill them. Republicans are definitely making things worse, and democrates are blaming leftists that didn't vote for them.
TheYojimbo 41 points 3 months ago
disorderly 48 points 3 months ago
As an American, I can confirm that every election cycle is literally this. In 25 or so years of voting, I have never once avoided some talking head explaining how any policy left of processing immigrants into Sysco food would alienate "moderates" and lose the election to someone that's actually bad.
youcantreadthis 6 points 3 months ago
As if they would be processed into something edible were talking about Americans it would be left to rot for a while then made prison grade
couldhavebeenyou -4 points 3 months ago
Why don't progressives just uppercut these fuckers' jaws out in the primaries if they have it right?
youcantreadthis 7 points 3 months ago
Because the parties can cheat declare whoever they want winner or just whatever the FBI will kill you if you go too far left and are politically viable its w whole thing
Valmond 6 points 3 months ago
It's not killing IMO but "holding a gun to someone's head" means "forcing" them.
Like look at those evil republican politicians, you must vote for us, or get more evil republican politicians.
They are not wrong though, but could do so much better smh.
Resonosity 39 points 3 months ago
It has been the Democrat's major strategy to gain political power in this country since 2016 when Trump first took office to advocate for a certain type of negative politics that isn't the Republicans, rather than advocating for a positive politics focused on what makes the Democrats.
Establishment Dems use the existence of MAGA Republicans to try to persuade voters that they're at least not as bad as MAGA, when they should be spending the time between elections persuading voters with all the good policies that defined the Dems for decades: positive immigration, civil rights, social safety nets, etc.
Establishment Dems have a politics of what are we against, while new sects of the party like Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) have a politics of what are we for. The latter are seeing amazing success across the country.
SapphironZA 34 points 3 months ago
It refers to the last 20 years or so, where the democrats platform has been so terrible, that the only way they get elected, is because they are not Republicans.
Obama only got elected because of how terrible Bush was, then Biden got elected because of how terrible Trump was.
The problem is this strategy only works with recency bias and people are starting to ignore it.
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sunnie 24 points 3 months ago
The lesser-of-two-evil choice only makes sense when you’re using it to avoid a singular looming catastrophe. When it describes every election, people disengage from that process instead of actively voting for “evil” over and over again.
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NoneOfUrBusiness 14 points 3 months ago
Because their lives almost invariably get progressively worse under each administration, with the ruling party deciding the pace more than anything else? No form of government lasts long with only sticks.
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SapphironZA 9 points 3 months ago
They are depressed and jaded. Money just keep flowing up, no matter what they do.
Nothing short of a revolution is going to change that.
couldhavebeenyou -1 points 3 months ago
If they're sitting on their asses during elections waiting for a revolution to drop by I guarantee you they're going to see a whole lot more money flowing up
youcantreadthis 3 points 3 months ago
Ratchet effect can only be so dead different between getting blown up with ten pounds of dynamite up my ass or a hundred is what even its what got idiots voting trump the fact nobody in system will ever advocate for even some of the like five or six things most americans agree on like money out of politics fix healthcare weed good genocide badexpensive abortion when pregnancy nonviable pregnant life at risk and while thing result of rape cops badoverpriced and do not need bunker busters
dream_weasel 2 points 3 months ago
Yes.
StupidBrotherInLaw 27 points 3 months ago
The Democratic party largely runs on a platform based more on counteracting the Republican party less than substantially improving anything. Despite claiming to be progressive, they have slowly shifted to the right over decades, and manage to bungle easy wins again and again.
StupidBrotherInLaw 3 points 3 months ago
"What someone said makes me uncomfortable because it challenges my government indoctrination. I have neither the self-awareness to recognize this nor the vocabulary to articulate it if I did, so I'll just call them stupid instead."
Classic American response.
AHamSandwich 3 points 3 months ago
Then you must not read your own comments.
Spacehooks 6 points 3 months ago
Its more like gop are far worst than dems in mostly every regard. So not voting for dems is voting for the greater evil. So the gun is just the representation of the threat of more damage by madmen if you dont vote for dems.
GeneralEmergency -7 points 3 months ago
It's a russian propaganda meme.
Just ignore it and be disappointed but not surprised at how gullible Lemmite are.
GeneralEmergency -1 points 3 months ago
I'm not American.
And everyday I thank god I ain't.
reddit_sux 10 points 3 months ago
So vote to get stabbed in the back or stabbed in your chest.
BeardededSquidward 6 points 3 months ago
I don't understand how people can argue you should choose one at all. I don't want to be harmed at all and it's not my fault for wanting that.
Cherries 24 points 3 months ago
During her campaign, Kamala Harris promised to go after "illegal immigrants" and create the most lethal military in the world. The DNC just released a report claiming that Trans people were a weight around Harris' neck that she should have abandoned. When asked if she would change things from Biden era policies on Isreal, she claimed nothing would change under her tenure.
I voted for Harris because I wanted Trump to lose, but it really seemed like a vote for Harris was a vote to harm the marginalized, the minority, the child, and the disabled. A lot of people heard what was said and saw actions enacted and decided not to vote for either party because they saw the options presented as, "harm lots" or "harm lots but with pride stickers".
BeardededSquidward 4 points 3 months ago
I just got told since I'm already marginalized by our political and voting system I shouldn't say anything in political discussions. Blue MAGA is really a thing.
village604 -2 points 3 months ago
That's why its a good practice to ignore campaign bullshit and look at their voting history. Pretty much no one actually follows through on campaign promises.
Harris ran a bad campaign, but she was actually a good option if you look at the stats that matter.
piccolo 4 points 3 months ago
It seemed DNC thought they could gain votes by appealing to republicans that were on the fence, and underestimate their core base found it incredibly distasteful and apparently had amnesia from the previous trump admin.
Cherries 2 points 3 months ago
It doesn't matter how good the restaurant is if all their advertising says, "we put bugs in our food!" It is kinda useless to consider how good the Kamala presidency might have been, how much of her campaign she would or would not have followed through on. People made their choice based on what she said she would do, and people did not like what she was promising.
It is possible that she would have given less weapons to Isreal, but that's not what she said she would do. It's possible that she would have reined in ICE and defunded them, but that's not what she said she would do. It's possible that she would have protected the rights of minority groups, but that's not what she said she would do. Even if Kamala Harris had a perfect voting record and had a history of supporting progressive changes, I think it would be very reasonable to become skeptical of her based on her campaign promises.
MyVeryRealName 1 point 3 months ago
Democrats don't own Republicans
go_go_gadget 4 points 3 months ago
Enablers utilize abusers.
MyVeryRealName 0 points 3 months ago
Democrats don't enable Republicans
go_go_gadget 3 points 3 months ago
Yes they do.
MyVeryRealName 1 point 3 months ago
How?
GraniteM 0 points 3 months ago
The crazy thing is, primaries exist, and an engaged coalition within a given political party can make an outsized impact in them, and then the party just is whatever those primary voters determine it is. That's how we got Trump's Republicans in the first place, and that's how we got Mayor Mamdani, over the objections of the previous establishment in both cases.
The only obstacle is if the coalition is so disorganized, or their views are so niche, that they can't even win a primary with a fraction of a fraction of the turnout for a general election, and if that's the case, then... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Objection 13 points 3 months ago
The DNC has argued in court that it has no obligation to provide a fair elections in the primaries. That's also just not really how parties work in general. Parties can purge whoever they feel like.
If we're supposed to just rely on primaries and treat them as free and fair elections, then what exactly would be the issue with a one-party state? If you don't like the way the one party is running things, just join them and start an internal movement to change things. It's the exact same logic.
go_go_gadget 7 points 3 months ago
Comments like this just serve to absolve the people who do show up to primaries for being pieces of shit. And believe me, as someone who has phone banked plenty, they are fully aware they're fighting leftists and progressives. 🤷♂️
You tell us we're disorganized or niche fine. That means another group is organized and therefore has the power. That means they are responsible for outcomes. They are responsible for Joe Biden blocking a rail strike, going around congress twice to ship weapons to Israel in order to be used in a genocide, failing to bring Trump to justice and ultimately losing the general election in 2024 due to hanging on too long so a proper primary couldn't be run.
If you aren't willing to acknowledge that side of the conversation then you're just another liberal trying to absolve yourself of the failures you and your organized group have caused. If you aren't willing to take responsibility then stop showing up in the primaries and get the fuck out of the way. 🤷♂️
go_go_gadget 5 points 3 months ago
Awwww poor little liberal doesn't like looking in a mirror.
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I'm a little dumb, and not an American. Can someone explain how democrates are using republicans to kill voters?
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