hendrik 26 points 14 days ago

Just use the Linux console and you're fine.

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ptz 18 points 14 days ago

I'm probably going to regret asking, but curiosity is getting the better of me.

What has the PS5 done to draw the ire of the fediverse?

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Sunshine 22 points 14 days ago

A subscription is needed for multiplayer.

No mods.

Locked down os.

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Skyline969 21 points 13 days ago

No system configuration

No drivers to mess with

No DRM eating system resources

Significantly cheaper (you can get a whole PS5 for the cost of a similarly performing GPU alone, thanks AI!)

Even playing field for all players, no competitive advantage for having better hardware

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ptz 10 points 14 days ago

Can't speak for the multiplayer subscription, but the latter two have pretty much always been the case, no?

(Sits on stump, sets my belt onion off to the side, tells the young'uns to gather round to listen to an old man speak): Back when I gamed, I had to pay for Xbox Live to play multiplayer.

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BroccoLemuria 8 points 14 days ago

I guess just because it has always been like that doesn't make it good.

Personally, I think if they allowed installing whichever system you want on the machine you own, it would be leaps ahead. In fact the first xbox I think allowed installing Windows, and they teased Linux in the PS3, but later rolled back? People did it but I don't remember if it ever became anything official.

Pay for multiplayer, well it's justifiable but definitely not for the price they charge, which is why they include all the "other perks".

In any case, if you own a console, enjoy it!

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ptz 14 points 14 days ago

OG Xbox didn't allow anything like that, but there was an active mod scene. Once it got to the point you could soft mod it without having to install a modchip, it was like a whole new system. Kodi started life as Xbox Media Center running on the OG Xbox. Was so awesome and that was my media center for years.

Yeah, the PS3 "Other OS" debacle was a real dirty move by Sony, I'll agree. There was no reason to take away existing functionality but they did it anyway.

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ShellMonkey 7 points 14 days ago

I'm assuming you mean for internet multi not local? That's been a thing tried since remote gaming became viable, some worked some failed, some just built things where lan parties became a thing and told the users to figure it out themselves.

Consoles from the dawn of time have had locked OS and no mods (unless you count things like the game genie/shark systems) so that's nothing new either.

I'll stick mostly to PC myself, but those things aren't unique to the PS5.

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cloudskater 2 points 13 days ago

Fair, I'd hate it too. This is how I feel about Switch 2s even more so honestly.

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Turret3857 9 points 13 days ago

in addition to all of that theyre reporting GrapheneOS users to feds for using GrapheneOS https://thecybersecguru.com/...

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OldChicoAle 13 points 12 days ago

Let people enjoy things for fucks sake. Can't enjoy anything these days without some jerk online trying to make you feel bad.

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IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds 13 points 13 days ago

issue is that a ps5 is much cheaper than a computer that can play the same games.

so I find the argument a bit classisist.

yhea, a machine you own and control is better, yes gaming in a pc is better. but that's like saying "Why people use more affordable thing that comes with a lot of issues instead of the much more expensive thing?"

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AlphaOmega 9 points 13 days ago

A comparable PC costs roughly 1 to 2x a PS5, but in the long run the PC is cheaper when you factor in the costs of games and subscriptions .

Plus it's a PC, with 100s of applications beyond just gaming and streaming. And there's 100,000 + PC games vs ~1100 PS5 games.

It's modular and upgradeable. So in 5 to 7 years, you can upgrade it instead of buying a whole new console.

The only real advantage consoles have are the cheaper upfront costs.

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plutopos 9 points 13 days ago

in the long run

That's the classist part of the argument. Being able to afford higher upfront costs for the sake of a long-term investment is often what sets classes apart. Premium products, in general, tend to be cheaper in the long run (see: printers, shoes, clothes, houses, etc.)

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Tiresia 5 points 13 days ago

You can play tons of good games on a PC that is cheaper up-front than a Playstation 5. Get a second-hand 720p or 1080p monitor for $30. Spend 1 day to build a $470 PC (logical increments has a good parts list and it's easier than legos). Install Linux. Start pirating.

Even if you count that day as $200 in lost opportunities (in which case you would logically be making at least $6000 after taxes per month, or over $100k per year before taxes), that still means it's cheaper upfront to have a PC with hundreds of games than a PS5 with one (1) game.

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plutopos 5 points 13 days ago

You can play plenty of good games on a $90 used office pc as well. To make a fair comparison you'd have to think of a PC that's as powerful as a PS5

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Jyek 0 points 12 days ago

Or you can get a console that plays 4k games at 60fps for the same money. Also not everyone is smart enough or willing to break the law pirating video games.

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mnemonicmonkeys 1 point 12 days ago

This sounds more like a dig against Sony by targeting a vulnerable demographic for rent extraction.

Also, it's easy to build a cheap PC from used parts

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charokol 6 points 13 days ago

Most people can only afford to consider upfront costs

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DragonTypeWyvern 8 points 13 days ago

Not being aware of the reality of the Vimes Boots Theory of Economics?

Believe it or not, class privilege.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory

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mnemonicmonkeys 1 point 12 days ago

If they can afford a PS5, they can afford used parts to build a PC.

Sony tries to lock people into their ecosystem so they can continually upcharge them with PSN and increased game prices.

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piccolo -3 points 13 days ago

If they can afford a ps5 now. They can afford a pc later. Otherwise they couldnt afford the ps5 to begin with.

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southsamurai 4 points 13 days ago

Don't forget size factor, ease of placement, etc. Even mini PCs tend not to be designed with placement near a big TV in mind. Consoles are by default

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Jyek 0 points 12 days ago

Ok Darius. Investments aren't for broke people.

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mnemonicmonkeys 2 points 12 days ago

If you're saving up for a gaming system, you're already thinking ahead. Far better to get the thing that costs less.

Also, you know what actual broke people do? They don't buy stuff new

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JupiterRowland 0 points 12 days ago

One might think that people who buy cheap gear have a choice between buying cheap gear now and newer cheap gear in a few years or spending the same amount of money on more expensive gear that they won't have to replace that quickly. This simply isn't true.

I spend a lot of time in virtual worlds, also reading about virtual worlds. Second Life requires hardware with at least some oomph nowadays. However, there are Second Life users with 15-year-old bottom-of-the-line consumer notebooks. The stuff that supermarkets used to sell from pallets. 2 or 4GB of system RAM (you need this much as VRAM nowadays), on-board graphics etc. They've probably bought it used, but still quite a while ago.

Why are they still using that old clunker? Because they've never been able to acquire any other more powerful computer ever since.

I think it's even worse in OpenSim where those end up who can't even afford Second Life.

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Turret3857 7 points 13 days ago

So I find thr argument a bit classist.

yarrrr 🏴‍☠️

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IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds 3 points 13 days ago

you wouldn't download a ps5

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atopi 3 points 13 days ago

a pc can do much more than play games though

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IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds 2 points 13 days ago

But most people do not need a gaming PC to for most stuff other stuff.

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atopi 3 points 13 days ago

but if you want to do those things, you could use a gaming PC, while if you have a PS5, you would need a second device

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IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds 2 points 13 days ago

but they can also get a 300$ laptop and do most of those things,

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NigelFrobisher 1 point 12 days ago

You can watch porn on a PS5 though

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atopi 1 point 12 days ago

im ace though

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NigelFrobisher 1 point 12 days ago

You’re certainly not short of self confidence!

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NigelFrobisher 2 points 12 days ago

Damn classisists casting shade on anything from the last 1500 years!

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Mwa 11 points 13 days ago

Well atleast its possible now to install Linux on a PS5

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southsamurai 9 points 13 days ago

Fuck 'em

I hate sony now, but consoles have their place in gaming. If the companies didn't fuck you over, that place would be even bigger because the convenience factor alone is a huge plus.

But don't conflate shitty corporate behavior with the underlying concept. The ps5 is a great console. It's just not really your console the way it should be because of sony

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