License Plate Cameras Will Soon Track Phones, Wearables, Infotainment, and Even Your Pets

5 days ago by ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ to c/privacy

A new kind of license-plate-reading camera will also scrape the smart devices you take with you, and wrap all that data in a nice little bow for law enforcement and the government.
s38b35M5 31 points 5 days ago

I hate this timeline. Almost everybody I know is firmly of the, "I don't need privacy; I have nothing to hide!" or, "It's just a little bit of surveillance, and if it can help find murderers, fine," persuasion. All as our freedom is willingly snapped and scraped away.

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FineCoatMummy 14 points 4 days ago

Almost everybody I know is firmly of the, “I don’t need privacy;

And more... they think YOU don't need it either. They are very happy giving away YOUR privacy along with their own.

I think most ppl honestly don't realize how corrosive it is, to a whole society, when privacy is completely lost.

It seems kinda like smoking? The cigarette today does not kill me tomorrow. But 10 more years, now I have cancer. I can't point to the exact single cigarette that caused that. It was a collective effect. The same with giving away privacy. It hurts us all, long term.

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s38b35M5 5 points 4 days ago

My state has a solid law prohibiting retention and sharing of LPR data, but I have my doubts about compliance and enforcement.

And yes, everyone is fine giving away the personal info and privacy of everyone else. Infuriates me...

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f3nyx 7 points 4 days ago

so does mine. I share your doubts, because I believe at the end of the day these systems are built to help public officials evade accountability.

its so much easier for a private company to fuck up and fine them for it(aka, cost of doing business) than any of the historical alternatives that pin accountability on our public institutions.

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bridgeenjoyer 7 points 4 days ago

Yep same. Theyre not tech literate and have no desire to learn. The oligarchy knows this.

Us nerds are a dying breed.

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WhyJiffie 5 points 4 days ago

there are plenty nerds also who think you don't need privacy, and gladly giving away yours, while mocking you for your disagreement. its infuriating.

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wuphysics87 2 points 21 hours ago

Saying you don't need privacy because you have nothing to hide is like saying you don't need freedom of speech because you have nothing to say.

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ScoffingLizard 2 points 2 days ago

I'm not buying that they can scan pet chips. I think that requires closer proximity than their devices can get. At some point, we ought to just buy high powered jammers that only activate when the scanners are around.

On the othet hand, its still an issue that we can't address issues faster than they enshittify.

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FineCoatMummy 1 point 2 days ago

I’m not buying that they can scan pet chips. I think that requires closer proximity than their devices can get.

IDK if they can or not, but I've heard they scan car tire pressure sensors. Which apparently, have unique IDs. Unique fingerprint for each car that has 'em. All those fingeprrints put together let them track cars even if the plate is changed.

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ScoffingLizard 1 point 8 hours ago

Unless there is wirelesa telemetry from the sensor, they probably can't scan those.

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FineCoatMummy 1 point 7 hours ago

The tire sensors, you mean? (nvm this if you meant the pet chips!) Those do use wireless telemetry. It's easier do like that, and more reliable, than attaching a wire to a rapidly rotating thing through a brushing contact or w/e. Most of them have little batteries, so they actively transmit. Unlike those pet RFID chips which are powered only by the incoming radio signal.

They also have unique identifiers. Not unique per car. I guess it makes sense in a way. You wouldn't want to use the TPMS data from a car in the next lane. But it does open up this attack :(

I wonder what kinda weird looks a person would get, if they ask a tire shop to remove the TPMS modules from their tires, lol

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marxismtomorrow 2 points 8 hours ago

And remember, in any country where these cameras exist police do not need a warrant to access this informaion.

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