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Asetru 32 points 4 days ago

Why would this apply only to girls?

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did_you_find_violets 38 points 4 days ago

cause traditionally/stereotypically feminine things are seen as stupid, useless, and cringe while masculine ones are seen as serious, deep, and respectable.

trans people also show that being a man is seen as an "upgrade" while being a woman a "downgrade" (trans men don't get a fraction of the hate trans women do). same thing with tomboys-femboys.

plus, a man and woman could do the exact same thing (being assertive for example) & the perception will be different (woman - bitch, man - boss).

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Asetru 18 points 4 days ago

If you think boys aren't ridiculed (for literally anything) you've never been to school.

So, boys, might as well do what you want.

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did_you_find_violets -4 points 4 days ago
  1. the experiences of boys and girls in society aren't comparable.

  2. this post is about girls, going "but what about the boys?" on it is just misogyny.

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blackbeans 11 points 4 days ago

I understand the feedback because there's no need to distinguish between gender when you are talking about something as generic as personal empowerment. The post is not about girls, it's about human psychology.

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TaterTot 5 points 4 days ago

I'd disagree with this. Personal empowerment is universal and applies to everyone, sure. But its nature is personal, and shaped by a multitude of factors including (but not limited to) gender. That's basically the idea behind intersectionality.

Along the various lines that make up someone's circumstances, groups can share collective barriers to their empowerment. In this case, women face specific, gender-based obstacles (men do as well, but that wasn't what was being discussed). So when you generalize a conversation about one group's particular issues, at best you derail something that would've been helpful. At worst, you end up with an "All Lives Matter" bumper sticker.

ETA: And yes, I know all people face bullying/teasing. But the nature of the bullying/teasing is not universal, nor is the impact it has on the collective empowerment of specific groups.

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wonderingwanderer 8 points 3 days ago

It's not misogyny. Maybe the experiences of boys and girls aren't comparable, but some things transcend gender, and getting ridiculed is one of them.

This post unnecessarily genders something that isn't gendered, so it makes total sense that someone would point out that it's not restricted to one gender.

Guys are used to having their experiences invalidated when it comes to this kind of stuff. "Oh, be a man. Don't be so sensitive. No one cares about your feelings. Man up, be stronger, stop being weak and then people won't make fun of you," the list goes on.

And then there's the aspect where bringing up issues that impact men always gets hit with "BUT WHAT ABOUT WOMEN?!? MEN HAVE IT SO GOOD, WHAT COULD YOU POSSIBLE HAVE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT?!?"

So when a post directly implies that "girls get ridiculed, to the exclusion of boys," it makes sense to clarify that "boys get ridiculed too."

Also, it's mostly women and girls who judge other women and girls, so trying to make that about misogyny is kind of a stretch. Men and boys get judged by men, women, boys, girls, and everyone else.

Not to mention when a woman or a girl gets made fun of, like thirty people have her back, but when a guy gets made fun of, no one cares.

Just overall, making this a gendered issue from the start was the wrong call, and the people responding by saying this affects other genders too aren't the ones unnecessarily gendering the issue.

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Cypher 8 points 4 days ago

compares the experience of men and women

noooo you can’t compare the experiences of boys and girls!

Huh?

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Dasus 2 points 3 days ago

"These two things I'm comparing aren't comparable!"

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velma 0 points 3 days ago

You’re fucking right. Experiences of men and women in society are absolutely not comparable when we’re talking about societal expectations.

You’re also right that women don’t have to center every conversation around men.

I can’t believe someone told you directly this isn’t a female safe space hahaha

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