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turdas 13 points 3 days ago

Extremely American tweet. "Pro-capitalist left" is the definition of European social democrats. No, I don't agree with European social democrats, I think their economic policy was built for a pre-neoliberalism and pre-globalism world that no longer exists, but I just wanted to point out that this guy is clueless.

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Quokka 32 points 3 days ago

European governments are not left either. You cannot be capitalist and left.

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turdas 1 point 3 days ago

I believe I was talking about parties, not governments.

Social democrats did successfully combine capitalism with left wing policies for decades. In the present day it's becoming increasingly obvious the globalists have thoroughly outplayed socdem policies, but that doesn't change the fact that they used to work, and it's entirely possible that they could still be made to work with some changes.

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alapakala 7 points 3 days ago

So housing and food is free in those SocDem states?

chrislundartist 2026-02-19:
It’s hilarious when Americans pity my Norwegian tax rate. And yes. We pay more to the state. In return we get free healthcare, free college, and 49 weeks of fully paid parental leave. We do not have to crowd-fund our cancer treatments. Your 'low taxes' just mean you pay private corporations a premium for the privilege of still going broke when you get sick. Our system is an investment in human dignity. Yours is a GoFundMe waiting to happen. The math is really not that complicated

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turdas 5 points 3 days ago

In some of them the state will pay for those, yes. There's other kinds of leftist policy besides communism.

I have no idea what you're trying to communicate with that quote.

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marxismtomorrow 2 points 2 days ago

Work for who? Because Social democrats hate brown people and constantly work to oppress the global south to fund their policies.

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Jinna -1 points 3 days ago

Now you're mixing parties with governments. The former can be (see social democrats) while the latter is harder to analyze given that they are mostly coalitions.

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Quokka 18 points 3 days ago

Governments parties coalitions whatever, if you are capitalist you are not left.

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binux 4 points 3 days ago

Similarly, If I shit and take a shower after, I’m still not clean!

Sarcasm aside, this sentiment is oozing subjective interpretation mistaken for objective fact. Political views (like more or less any other opinions) are far more complicated than just: “if you are this one thing, you cannot be this other thing.”

You can be fiscally right-leaning and socially left-leaning, as well as the other way around. Likewise, as painful as it may be to hear, capitalism is not mutually exclusive with leftism. By the logic of your opinion, Mamdani isn’t left-leaning either, because he’s still participating in and thereby protecting the capitalist systems of the US. It’s just a silly way of thinking.

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Jinna 1 point 3 days ago

You can dislike (like I do) social democrats without clinging to them somehow not being left, plenty of more coherent leftists out there to support instead. Still doesn't nullify that they've made the capitalist hellscape slightly better and "more left" here and there. The world ain't as simple as your simple brain wishes it was.

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black_flag 4 points 2 days ago

ITT: people who don't know their left from right.

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rockerface 4 points 3 days ago

This applies to Chinese government too, surely

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