‘Find a spot on the floor’: overcrowding complaints grow as Victorians take advantage of rail fare cap

3 years ago by just_kitten to c/melbourne

V/Line passengers are used to delays, slow journeys and rail-replacement buses. Now they face a new challenge: finding a seat

Many people predicted this would happen...

Nath 51 points 3 years ago

This demonstrates there is demand for rail services if it's superior to driving. In this case with cost.

Hopefully the long term response to this will be more services and maybe even restoration of old lines that have fallen out of use in the past 100 years. There used to be rail services going to most towns in the state. It'd be so great to see some of those come back.

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jonne 10 points 3 years ago

Yeah, this is in a way a good sign. Although they should've probably invested in more rolling stock before actually implementing this plan.

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Lintson 10 points 3 years ago

Nah man, build demand first, services 20yrs later. It's the aussie way

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tc43 4 points 3 years ago

But make sure the services you build in 20 years are sufficient for the demand now, not for the demand in 20 years

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Jumuta 2 points 3 years ago

scrapping hitachis woooooooo

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Salvo 6 points 3 years ago

The Perennial problem is the fucking NIMBYs.

Even the Pedestrian/Bike/Horse rail trails are being blocked by residents who don’t want strangers near their property. Even in areas with a large Horse-enthusiast population. Even where under-utilised sporting fields are accessible from the old alignment.

Other existing rail trails are being sabotaged by locals, much to the detriment of local businesses such as cafes, micro-breweries and distilleries.

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spez_ 1 point 3 years ago

Honestly we need a law that says if you oppose public transport, your house gets seized and you get banned from receiving any income

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unionagainstdhmo 1 point 3 years ago
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Taleya 20 points 3 years ago

Vline finally in line with the metro experience lol.

Also who the fuck complains about too much patronage on a pay for travel service?

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Jumuta 17 points 3 years ago

just add more trains lmao, more patronage is a great thing

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cuavas 1 point 3 years ago

The network upgrades required to “just add more trains” would be very expensive, and Vic Labor are already running up more debt than they can afford.

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kudra 1 point 3 years ago

@cuavas @Jumuta to be honest I'm a little surprised they didn't make the fare cap for off-peak travel only, which would have actually helped to reduce some of the crazy peak crush.

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Jumuta 1 point 3 years ago

eh, less expensive then roads in the long run

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AllNewTypeFace 8 points 3 years ago

Of course, this means that anyone who values their comfort and has a car will drive instead, leaving public transport as a soup kitchen service.

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kudra 9 points 3 years ago

@AllNewTypeFace @just_kitten I think this is really only happening on the Albury line - other services have likely seen a decent increase in patronage, but it's likely going to make rural services more viable in terms of numbers, and on the really popular routes hopefully a real increase in services. In 2019 I took rural PT to a bunch of different places in Victoria, East West and North from Melbourne, and only North was really even half way busy.

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princessnorah 4 points 3 years ago

Have you not been on the Geelong Line? It’s busier than the North by far.

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legios 3 points 3 years ago

I've heard the Warrnambool line has similar issues too (plus it overlaps with the Geelong line)

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princessnorah 3 points 3 years ago

I wouldn’t call the Warrnambool service busy compared to Albury. But they do get delayed behind Geelong trains a lot.

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kudra 1 point 3 years ago

@princessnorah largely the stations that are still technically metro, from memory (and that goes for Ballarat too) beyond that it seems to thin out a fair bit.

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princessnorah 1 point 3 years ago

You’re not wrong, it does thin out and they really need to electrify to Melton & Wyndham Vale. Still, I don’t think there’s anywhere near enough evidence yet that there’s a problem caused by the fare drop. The article’s main conceit was a service that had its number of carriages cut back. That’s an operational problem caused by an entirely separate issue.

Put it this way. If the service was that empty before that losing half its carriages didn’t cause crowding, if everyone still got a seat, wouldn’t that be a problem? That means that it would have been under half capacity.

If the fare drop means more capacity is being used on services that used to be relatively empty, then I’d say it’s working successfully. The more people it encourages to take the train, that would have just been an empty seat before, the less it will cost the taxpayer. Let alone the environmental benefits. Even if you hate the train, it’ll take cars off the West Gate coming from Geelong & Ballarat.

Sorry, I don’t mean to @ you specifically I just can’t believe how much of a whinge this article is. Oh no! It’s cheaper! The riffraff can afford to travel and they’re taking all the seats! clutches pearls

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cuavas 1 point 3 years ago

You must be joking. Passenger volumes on the Ballarat line just keep increasing as they build more dormitory suburbs along the corridor. Morning peak trains are routinely at crush capacity before reaching Melton, making it very difficult to actually catch a train to work in Melbourne from Melton.

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kudra 1 point 3 years ago

@cuavas that sounds like they need to increase services at rush hour - I'll admit I've only travelled that route off-peak.

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cuavas 1 point 3 years ago

The lines are at capacity already, and they've cancelled the signaling upgrades for the western lines promised before the last election because they can't afford it. They've also cancelled building additional track to Melton to increase capacity (yet another broken promise). They're saying they'll extend platforms to allow 9-car trains, but I doubt it will be enough.

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cherryripesalmoncake 1 point 3 years ago
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